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MacMullan and Windhorst Podcast: Discussing Celtics
« on: February 28, 2019, 05:42:39 PM »

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I'm procrastinating in a bad way. So I'm listening to Jackie and Brian dissect the Celtics' losing streak. Here are some bullet-points that I am just going to put in quotes as they go back and forth:

Jackie
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--The Celtics loss to the Bulls is one of the most confounding losses in recent history, certainly in the Brad Stevens era.
--In the Celtics locker room after the loss to the Bulls, it wasn't somber or angry, guys were joking around and laughing. She says that one game symbolizes everything that's wrong with them. Defensive lapses, when things are going wrong they jack up ill-advised threes.
--Jackie is jumping off the "Celtics can make it to the Finals" bus. She says there's something wrong with this team. And people don't like to hear about chemistry and leadership, but "there's a bad vibe in that locker room."
--There's something up with Kyrie. He's not pleased with his role, but she's not sure what he's upset about specifically.
--When Kyrie is in a funk, it trickles down to all the other guys.
--Brad Stevens has been very hard on himself.
--They could lose in the first round of the playoffs.

Windhorst
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--In reference to the "I'm not worried because they have me" comment, Windhorst says that Kyrie's slow conversion to becoming LeBron is nearly complete.
--Windhorst said he recognizes all the warning signs surrounding the Celtics, and this team is not an overachiever like past Stevens years, and he hasn't seen players buy-in to their roles like last year.
--Windhorst still sees the Celtics as having a chance. But thinks that they can't set themselves up with having to play Philly, Milwaukee, and Toronto.
--He still thinks he would put Boston as the favorite to win the East, simply based on talent.

Jackie
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--Jackie sees the frustration in the players, and she just isn't sure that Kyrie believes the "we have me" comment.
--Celtics can't go deep into the playoffs without Kyrie
--Because the Celtics are struggling so much, Kyrie is pressing and not facilitating a lot.
--People in Boston are souring on Kyrie, especially after his comments throughout the season.
--There is concern everywhere within the organization. And the "is Kyrie staying?" question is casting a shadow on the team.

Windhorst
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--In regards to Stevens being able to handle star personalities. Windhorst thinks that Kyrie is a handful for anybody. Says Irving had issues with Byron Scott and Mike Brown. He ended up disliking Ty Lue, and has obviously had moments with Brad this season.
--The last play in Milwaukee wasn't designed for Kyrie, and he wonders how Kyrie felt when once again it wasn't drawn up for him.
--Kyrie is hard to manage and is a huge personality. Kyrie's comments about free-agency have made things worse for him and not relieved any pressure.
--Windhorst thinks a lot of the Celtics struggles have to do with Kyrie, because he's "all over the place" and is tough to handle, and it trickles down to the rest of the locker room.

Jackie
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--Jackie is saying it's probably best for Irving to just keep things limited with the press moving forward.
--The Celtics need Baynes badly. He's a stabilizing force that they need.
--Stevens finally left Jaylen Brown on the floor in crunch time and thinks he's earned that right. He played great last night.
--Marcus Morris was upset at the end of last night's game when Brown was on the floor, but didn't say anything.


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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2019, 05:46:21 PM »

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Interesting points.

However, I think Kyrie is becoming a lot more like Kobe, not like LeBron, for better or for worse
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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2019, 05:50:31 PM »

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Interesting points.

However, I think Kyrie is becoming a lot more like Kobe, not like LeBron, for better or for worse

I don't know what means, explain por favor?
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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2019, 05:51:41 PM »

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The thing about being like LeBron off the court is that it's only been worth putting up with all this time because LeBron is LeBron on the court.

Kyrie is a very good player but he's not LeBron.


When you're like Kyrie on the court and like LeBron off the court, you're more like ... I dunno ... Gilbert Arenas?  Stephon Marbury?

It's not good.
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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2019, 05:56:44 PM »

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Windhorst
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--In regards to Stevens being able to handle star personalities. Windhorst thinks that Kyrie is a handful for anybody. Says Irving had issues with Byron Scott and Mike Brown. He ended up disliking Ty Lue, and has obviously had moments with Brad this season.
--The last play in Milwaukee wasn't designed for Kyrie, and he wonders how Kyrie felt when once again it wasn't drawn up for him.
--Kyrie is hard to manage and is a huge personality. Kyrie's comments about free-agency have made things worse for him and not relieved any pressure.
--Windhorst thinks a lot of the Celtics struggles have to do with Kyrie, because he's "all over the place" and is tough to handle, and it trickles down to the rest of the locker room.

Darn straight to all of this.

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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2019, 05:57:54 PM »

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Ainge is indicating the team lacks resolve, Brad is acknowledging season long chemistry problems.  I heard an interview on a local radio show today indicating that Kyrie and Tatum are laughing on the bench when we're down 20 to Toronto.

It's going to be extremely difficult for this team to flip a switch.


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Interesting points.

However, I think Kyrie is becoming a lot more like Kobe, not like LeBron, for better or for worse

I don't know what means, explain por favor?
At least to me his attitude seems more Kobe-esque than LeBron like, especially when considering his play on the court.

I think WinEdited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. loves the story of "Kyrie becoming LeBron" too much
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« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2019, 06:05:20 PM »

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Interesting points.

However, I think Kyrie is becoming a lot more like Kobe, not like LeBron, for better or for worse

I don't know what means, explain por favor?
At least to me his attitude seems more Kobe-esque than LeBron like, especially when considering his play on the court.

I think Win**** loves the story of "Kyrie becoming LeBron" too much

For me whether comparing him to Kobe or LeBron, it's more a difference without a distinction. Irving is the engine, but he's a mercurial engine and it's clearly making a lot of guys worse versions of themselves.

I still have hope the C's can figure something out, but who knows.

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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2019, 06:21:23 PM »

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Ainge is indicating the team lacks resolve, Brad is acknowledging season long chemistry problems.  I heard an interview on a local radio show today indicating that Kyrie and Tatum are laughing on the bench when we're down 20 to Toronto.

It's going to be extremely difficult for this team to flip a switch.


The whole concept of flipping the switch makes no sense with this team anyway ... they are a YOUNG team that has not really won anything of significance.


I'm sure Kyrie's attitude about this comes from playing with LeBron, who has certainly adopted a "flip the switch" attitude the last few years. 

What's most troubling about that is apparently Kyrie thinks he's earned the right to flip the switch like that, even though he's never really won anything on his own.  You would hope he'd be driven to prove what he can do as the lead guy.  Doesn't seem like he feels he has anything to prove.
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It's bad enough that Rozier and Morris likely realized they're playing for contracts somewhere else, and can't seem to not play selfish and/or not care about this year. They could go to the Finals, and they're not going to roll it back next year.

Unfortunately they're either not bought in to the idea they can win the whole thing, or theyre sure they can make it click when it needs to win it.

Almost wish DA had consolidated after last season's run inflated of everyone - Particularly Rozier and Semi. It might have been just as well to get future picks.

Anyway, Brad needs to get s pair and cut the rotation,
Going bacon to the healthy starting 5 that started the season, let Marcus play 32 off the bench, Baynes should get 20 off the bench when healthy, and they should let it ride on their top talent down the stretch.

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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2019, 06:39:41 PM »

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--Marcus Morris was upset at the end of last night's game when Brown was on the floor, but didn't say anything.

So... how do we know he's upset if he didn't vocalize it? This is what bothers me about things like this. Marcus didn't say anything so are we just working on an assumption that he was upset? How long does it take before the media spins that into a "Marcus Morris is locker room problem" based on an assumption?
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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2019, 06:40:37 PM »

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TP, Jiri, for benefitting us with your procrastinating! ;D

I think Kyrie is a problem, but I think he's no worse than half this team's troubles—the other half being the poor attitude of some of the young guys.

"Bad Kobe" seems to have rubbed off on Tatum, then there were the predictions of multiple titles from Brown, and I think last year's postseason success really hurt these guys for this season—they seem to think that they earned the right to play more minutes than Kyrie and Gordon, which was never gonna happen.

I don't think this team will win the title, or even the conference, maybe not even come close to that.
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Jackie
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--Marcus Morris was upset at the end of last night's game when Brown was on the floor, but didn't say anything.

So... how do we know he's upset if he didn't vocalize it? This is what bothers me about things like this. Marcus didn't say anything so are we just working on an assumption that he was upset? How long does it take before the media spins that into a "Marcus Morris is locker room problem" based on an assumption?

I don't know the answer to your question, but it's possible he looked upset (a scowl on his face, waving his arms, shouting, etc.).
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--Marcus Morris was upset at the end of last night's game when Brown was on the floor, but didn't say anything.

So... how do we know he's upset if he didn't vocalize it? This is what bothers me about things like this. Marcus didn't say anything so are we just working on an assumption that he was upset? How long does it take before the media spins that into a "Marcus Morris is locker room problem" based on an assumption?

I don't know the answer to your question, but it's possible he looked upset (a scowl on his face, waving his arms, shouting, etc.).

Sure, he could've looked upset. I'll buy into that. My issue is directly attaching it to Jaylen playing over him based off of a facial expression.
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Morris has absolutely been a problem.

Kyrie, at this point for me, can take off too.

Keep our assets.

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