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The Myth of the 2018 Playoffs
« on: February 24, 2019, 04:33:44 PM »

Offline LarBrd33

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I saw /u/King_Of_Pants do a recent post on Reddit which cautioned against glorifying the 2016-17 team.  It made me think of a post I've wanted to make about the 2017-18 that I've tried to write a few times now, but abandoned. 

Up front, I'm still plenty optimistic about this team.  I think we have a real shot to make it out of the Eastern Conference this year.  I still have faith Hayward is turning the corner and I continue to see Tatum blossom.   We're going to be a menace in the playoffs.

I'm getting a little uncomfortable with how much fans (and possibly some of the young guys on the team) are overstating what Boston accomplished in the playoffs last year.  I think we should be honest about it.

Kyrie needed surgery late last season and once he sat out expectations plummeted.  Nobody expected anything of this team.  Most expected it to be an early first round exit.  We had zero pressure and the element of surprise working in our favor.

Final 15 games of the season, the team went 9-7 without Kyrie.  That's a solid 49 win pace.  We beat some quality teams during that stretch - including an 11 point victory over the Raptors... who subsequently adjusted when they played us again a week later and beat us by 18. 

Round 1 - Bucks: We were fortunate to match up with the 44 win Bucks in Round 1.  That Bucks team had fired coach Jason Kidd in late January and were being lead by interim coach Joe Prunty.  Opinions on Prunty range from "awful" to "mediocre", but plenty has been written about his inability to exploit the team's strengths and manage funky rotation.  He used 16 different lineups in Game 7.  Nonetheless, the Bucks won all 3 home games and had it not been for Terry Rozier playing out of his butt (Game 7 stats:  26 points, 9 assists, 6 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 block on 10-16 shooting), the Celtics could have certainly lost in the first round of the playoffs.   Kudos to Rozier, but it was clear the Bucks didn't respect him and he made them pay.   It's funny how many fans push the narrative that the team is better without Kyrie while at the same time pushing the narrative that Rozier is the worst player on the team.  These two narratives can't coexist.  If you support the illogical idea that "we don't need Kyrie" then you also much support the fact that Rozier catching teams with their pants down in the playoffs by playing like a borderline all-star vaulted us further than anyone expected.  Scary Terry Round 1:  17.6 points, 6.7 assists, 4.3 rebounds with 42%/38%/80% shooting.    It's why this kid made comments yesterday that suggested he truly believes he's on Kyrie Irving's level and sees him as competition (literally said he didn't see Kyrie as a friend when he's on the court).   Anyways, credit us sneaky by the Bucks in 7 games with Rozier's huge performance and questionable coaching (Joe Prunty was promptly dismissed after the playoffs for underachieving)

Round 2 - Philly: Let's be real.  The 76ers were just happy to be there.  They celebrated their first round victory with emotional speeches and pouring champagne on their coach.  I'd expect nothing less from a team that drops confetti during a loss.  They came off that emotional Round 1 victory woefully unprepared.  All around the effort and focus just wasn't there.  While Boston was certainly youthful as well, Philly's inexperience showed.  "Rookie" Ben Simmons had no answer for Boston's defensive schemes.  Joel Embiid (clearly frustrated with his face mask) got schooled by the veteran Al Horford (a trend that's continued into this season).  Their lack of guard defense was exploited hard - once again Scary Terry played out of his butt (19 points, 7.2 rebounds, 4.4 assists, 1.2 steals with 43%/42%/88%).   They had no answer for a hungry Jayson Tatum (averaged 23.6 points on 53% shooting).  While Boston's young guys have a right to be proud, more-so the Sixers should be embarrassed.  They were widely seen as having more talent and they humiliated themselves.  I'm honestly surprised Brett Brown is still coaching them.  The Celtics have continued to own Philly this season and hopefully that continues into the playoffs this year - because one could make the case they grossly underachieved.

Round 3 - Cavs: Truthfully, the teams LeBron has played on have a history of letting lesser teams come close to knocking them off.  I mean seriously... the 48 win Pacers nearly knocked off the Cavs in Round 1 during that very same playoff run.  Cleveland barely snuck by with a 4 point Game 7 victory against Indiana.  A couple different bounces and the Cavs get eliminated in the first round.  The Celtic/Cavs series reminded me a lot of the 2012 playoffs when the Heat let the elderly Celtics (who played at a 44 win pace that season and barely beat the below .500 Sixers in a 7 game Round 2 series) come close to beating them - until Bosh returned from injury and the Heat rallied.  Once again we were making things interesting against LeBron and yet fell short.  Let's keep in mind that in addition to almost getting beat in Round 1, that Cavs team was lacking a quality supporting cast around LeBron.  Kyrie was no longer there, afterall.  Kevin Love wasn't very effective (playoff averages of 14.9 points with 39% shooting and 34% from three).  They predictably got steamrolled in in the Finals.  In the 4 game sweep, the Warriors beat the Cavs by 10, 19, 8 and 23 points.  The idea that Boston went toe-to-toe with a juggernaut isn't all that factual.   Since LeBron has left, the Cavs have 14 wins.  Meanwhile, despite having an arguably more talented supporting cast, LeBron's own team is currently below .500 and outside the playoff race.

So we went 11-8 in our games vs Bucks, Sixers and Cavs (47 win pace).  Impressive run.  Unprecedented run, actually...  the league has never seen a team so young go so far.

Bottom line:  Our kids overachieved for a variety of reasons.  Our team had nothing to lose and caught teams off guard with some exceptional (probably unsustainable) play from young guys who had no pressure whatsoever on them.  The disrespected Terry Rozier likely played the best basketball he'll ever play in his career.  Highly confident Brown and Tatum were exceptional.  The injury-riddled roster had a side-effect of consolidating the minutes/rotation and allowing guys to embrace each other and their roles.  That likely wasn't repeatable.  They were also fortunate in their matchups.  I'm not sure Boston would have matched up as well with the Raptors as they did with the Bucks and Sixers.

Honestly, there's an alt universe where Rozier doesn't have a career game and the Bucks coaching staff makes some better decisions - and Giannis knocks off the plucky young Celtics in Round 1.  Nobody would have thought any less than Boston since nobody expected anything of them.  The young guys would have come into this season humble with an openness to accepting their roles.  A guy like Rozier wouldn't have this perception of himself as Kyrie Irving's equal.   Likewise, nobody would have projected Boston as a 67 win juggernaut, because much of that was based on the hype of the young team nearly making the Finals and "adding two all-stars to a contender".  Instead, they'd be seen as the 50ish win team that played at a 49 win pace without Kyrie, was knocked off in the first round, and had a chance to make some noise with the return of Hayward.   

Imagine a world where Boston got knocked off in Round 1 and this season is playing out exactly as it is right now... Boston playing at a 50 win pace and in the mix to make the conference finals despite Hayward continuing to rehab himself towards 100%... It would make a lot of sense.  Nobody would have the audacity to argue that this team would somehow be a contender without Kyrie Irving, because there would be no basis for it.  It just wouldn't make any sense.  Instead... "boston is doing fine... every other team got better and we're still trying to figure out some stuff.  We should hopefully go further than we did last year when we were eliminated in the first round."

Conventional thinking was that the deep playoff run would give our young guys experience that would be huge for their confidence and help them contend immediately when the "stars" returned.  In reality, it might have actually backfired a bit.  If there's any truth to some of these kids thinking they are world beaters, because of that playoff run - it's kind of off base.  A lot of unrepeatable circumstances lead to that unprecedented run and  they would have been very unlikely to have that same level of success again.

Tl;DR:  I think we're going to be fine, but everyone would be best served to ignore the fluky playoff run that happened last year and just pretend we lost game 7 vs the Bucks

Re: The Myth of the 2018 Playoffs
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2019, 04:58:07 PM »

Offline KGBirdBias

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Go to basketball reference and check the box scores from last years playoffs. Brown got better each series. Rozier was great and so was Tatum.

Check it out.


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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2019, 05:04:01 PM »

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haha the MYTH of the 2018 playoffs.  It wasn't a myth, it happened.  We were 1 game from a Finals appearance with all the young guys.  Did they get a nice draw in the playoffs?  probably.  Does it take anything away from that team?  Not at all. 

I got way more joy out of watching last years team than this years squad.

Re: The Myth of the 2018 Playoffs
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2019, 05:19:00 PM »

Offline LarBrd33

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haha the MYTH of the 2018 playoffs.  It wasn't a myth, it happened.  We were 1 game from a Finals appearance with all the young guys.  Did they get a nice draw in the playoffs?  probably.  Does it take anything away from that team?  Not at all. 

I got way more joy out of watching last years team than this years squad.
This years team would have gone on that same run.

Re: The Myth of the 2018 Playoffs
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2019, 05:24:51 PM »

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So I follow you through the entire piece, but for your TLDR, why should we assume we lost to the bucks in seven? We severely outplayed philly, and Giannis took a jump while the bucks overall improved.

Philly has had just as disappointing of a season as we have had, so I feel that round counts.

If you are setting a low bar, so be it. About everything you can imagine has gone wrong for this squad has gone wrong this year. And we are the 4th seed.

But honestly Giannis and the bucks look like the major obstacle going forward for Eastern dominance. Hopefully we can make the proper long term adjustments to deal with that.

Edit: actually the more I think about it, the more I agree. Rozier played absurd in that Bucks series. He was a perfect scoring point. It doesn't matter how bad we ran train on philly if in this hypothetical scenario we never got there.
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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2019, 06:01:13 PM »

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there's no myth.  Every year the landscape is a little different, just because the East is stronger this year than last doesn't mean last year was a myth.

No Theis hurt us against the Cavs.  Also think Larkin going down hurt us.  Theis was on fire before his injury and Larkin had been playing well too. 

I think with those two, especially Theis, we'd have made the finals. 

Re: The Myth of the 2018 Playoffs
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2019, 07:38:35 PM »

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In short we probably overchieved.  Making it to the 7th game of the eastern conference finals doesn’t sound as good when you break it down.  In a way it reminds me of the 2001-2002 team that had warts and all coming close to the NBA finals.

I think Brown, Tatum, and Smart are pretty much over living off of last year, and playing pretty well now.  Rozier just seems like the type of player that needs minutes to be effective. His game isn’t built right now for being an impact player off the bench in smaller minutes as we all know the difference between starter and bench Rozier.


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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2019, 07:45:55 PM »

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We should of gone to the Finals, and we missed so many open threes in game seven, that you could say we choked.

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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2019, 08:21:09 PM »

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That 2017-2018 Celtics playoffs reminded me so much of the 2011-2012 Celtics Playoffs. Underachieving, and took LeBron James to 7 games.

Don't forget last year's 76ers were on a 16-game win streak heading into the playoffs. They looked hot. Celtics-Cavs ECF. Man, what a bad night for Rozier and Brown. If one of them was playing JUST average the Celtics would've won. They wouldn't have gotten beat by Jeff Green.


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Re: The Myth of the 2018 Playoffs
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2019, 08:22:20 PM »

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I think there's just a complete misunderstanding here. there is no "myth".

from both the fan's and players perspective it is what it is, we all saw what we saw - and what we saw was a team led by it's 1st and 2nd yr. players make it to a game 7 of the conference finals and with 2 mins left they still had a chance to win that game 7.

the fact is no matter who they faced or whatever the circumstances 1st and 2nd yr. players don't lead their teams to conference finals... it doesn't happen.

I get the tone of the topic of this thread. obviously what these guys did last season doesn't make them champions this yr.

sure let's not crown these guys but at the same time let's not understate what they did either.

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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2019, 08:32:41 PM »

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haha the MYTH of the 2018 playoffs.  It wasn't a myth, it happened.  We were 1 game from a Finals appearance with all the young guys.  Did they get a nice draw in the playoffs?  probably.  Does it take anything away from that team?  Not at all. 

I got way more joy out of watching last years team than this years squad.
This years team would have gone on that same run.

Absolutely.

But I tend to agree with others that 'myth' is a strong word and do NOT think we got that great of a draw in those playoffs. I understand the Bucks didn't quite have their coaching situation figured out, but since the Cs knocked them out, they have been the best team in the NBA. PHI was on a killer streak and seemingly had superior talent. I actually think CLE might have been the worst team of the bunch, but we all know the lore of Lebron.

What has happened to us? I don't know, but with our ability to get up for big games, I'd like to think we are primed for another solid playoff run.

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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2019, 08:42:20 PM »

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haha the MYTH of the 2018 playoffs.  It wasn't a myth, it happened.  We were 1 game from a Finals appearance with all the young guys.  Did they get a nice draw in the playoffs?  probably.  Does it take anything away from that team?  Not at all. 

I got way more joy out of watching last years team than this years squad.

I don't think the OP is saying it wasn't real, or that that team wasn't fun to watch. Seems like you are changing the argument.

He is just saying that the play last year unrealistically inflated our expectations. I'd add the first 20 games where we were winning at an unrealistitic rate (because of our play) to the equation too.

If you think last year's playoff team would perform anywhere close to how they performed in the playoffs last year for a full season, or they would contend in the East this year, then I think your view is a bit skewed.

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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2019, 08:42:39 PM »

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We were 10-1 at home, but just 1-7 on the road. Rozier was phenomenal in that run, but frankly in all but one road game he was mediocre. I feel that's where having a healthy Kyrie (and Hayward) will help us as it looks like we'll need to win some road games for sure to have a chance at making the Finals.

The East got stronger but I still feel confident we can beat PHI or IND in a series. And yet again, we'll be looked at as underdogs against MIL/TOR and maybe even PHI, so it could end up like last April-May where we go on a run as well and prove many doubters wrong.

I'll admit we were probably fortunate Bledsoe was bad in last year's playoffs and that we had home court advantage (plus they had a worse coach last year than this year) so MIL to me is the team to beat in the East.

What gives me hope for 2019? Giannis, Kawhi, Embiid are all freaks and obviously special, but none of them are Lebron. They aren't. And we took Lebron's team to 7 last year even when the odds were against us. We stay healthy and I love our chances at making a deep run even if the odds are against it.
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Re: The Myth of the 2018 Playoffs
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2019, 09:05:32 PM »

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I am missing the point.  We played the Bucks fairly even but won the series.  We outplayed the Sixers.  We played the Cavs fairly even but lost the series.  The Bucks played great, carried it over and added some additional talent.  The Sixers really didn't play all that well but tried to fix it by adding Butler.  The Cavs blew up and LeBron is not doing much in LA.

As for the Celtics?  We added Irving and Gordon to a team that played very well in the playoffs but have not carried it over.  I don't know what the myth is.  If anything, it is a mystery, not a myth.  A mystery of why this team can't figure out how to play better this season.

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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2019, 09:10:38 PM »

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If we over achieve this year as we did last year, then get ready to hang Banner 18!!!

With Irving and Hayward back in form compared to being absent last year...and the rest of our team intact...we should be ok for the playoffs.

The glass is always half full...those who say it's half empty just want more water! ;)