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Re: are the Lakers tanking?
« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2019, 07:07:12 AM »

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Re: are the Lakers tanking?
« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2019, 09:51:47 AM »

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Re: are the Lakers tanking?
« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2019, 10:28:35 AM »

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Lebron's impact = 2,8% better regular season from the year before.
That's a mark of a true leader that makes his teams better.

Their record with LeBron in the lineup was above .500 before the LeBron got hurt. The Lakers were a good team until he got hurt.

Let's see what that W-L record was. I can't remember it exactly but it was a good mark. They are 24-24 (.500) total with LeBron on the floor. In the 14 games since he returned from injury, the Lakers have won only 4 games. So their W-L with LeBron in the team was 20 wins and 14 losses (.588) prior to his injury.


If not for the injury, I think LAL would have finished up as a 45 win level team.

Re: are the Lakers tanking?
« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2019, 10:42:44 AM »

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Lebron's impact = 2,8% better regular season from the year before.
That's a mark of a true leader that makes his teams better.

Their record with LeBron in the lineup was above .500 before the LeBron got hurt. The Lakers were a good team until he got hurt.

Let's see what that W-L record was. I can't remember it exactly but it was a good mark. They are 24-24 (.500) total with LeBron on the floor. In the 14 games since he returned from injury, the Lakers have won only 4 games. So their W-L with LeBron in the team was 20 wins and 14 losses prior to his injury.
I don't expect guys in year 16-17 to play 100% of games and go without any injuries.
If it happens it is a miracle, not an expected value.
However these numbers go, I see that 2,8 % improvement as the factual bottom line.
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Re: are the Lakers tanking?
« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2019, 11:25:01 AM »

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Lebron's impact = 2,8% better regular season from the year before.
That's a mark of a true leader that makes his teams better.

Their record with LeBron in the lineup was above .500 before the LeBron got hurt. The Lakers were a good team until he got hurt.

Let's see what that W-L record was. I can't remember it exactly but it was a good mark. They are 24-24 (.500) total with LeBron on the floor. In the 14 games since he returned from injury, the Lakers have won only 4 games. So their W-L with LeBron in the team was 20 wins and 14 losses (.588) prior to his injury.


If not for the injury, I think LAL would have finished up as a 45 win level team.
They were the 4 seed when he got hurt.  Aside from James though, they've had a lot of injuries.  Ingram, Ball, and Rondo have all missed a ton of games as well.  They've all missed at least 14 games (and Ball and Ingram are done for the year now).  That is a lot of lost time to 4 of the 5 most important players on that team. 

Re: are the Lakers tanking?
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2019, 11:48:34 AM »

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Well, they're not not tanking.
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Re: are the Lakers tanking?
« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2019, 11:49:52 AM »

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Tanking is when you are deliberately losing.
They are just plain bad.
So no, Lakers are not tanking.

They are deliberately shutting down players and have put Lebron on a minutes restriction when it's not needed.

By doing that, Lakers will end up being plain bad.

That's still tanking.

Re: are the Lakers tanking?
« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2019, 12:09:24 PM »

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Lebron's impact = 2,8% better regular season from the year before.
That's a mark of a true leader that makes his teams better.

Their record with LeBron in the lineup was above .500 before the LeBron got hurt. The Lakers were a good team until he got hurt.

Let's see what that W-L record was. I can't remember it exactly but it was a good mark. They are 24-24 (.500) total with LeBron on the floor. In the 14 games since he returned from injury, the Lakers have won only 4 games. So their W-L with LeBron in the team was 20 wins and 14 losses (.588) prior to his injury.


If not for the injury, I think LAL would have finished up as a 45 win level team.
They were the 4 seed when he got hurt.  Aside from James though, they've had a lot of injuries.  Ingram, Ball, and Rondo have all missed a ton of games as well.  They've all missed at least 14 games (and Ball and Ingram are done for the year now).  That is a lot of lost time to 4 of the 5 most important players on that team.

Injuries are just an excuse. The Lakers have been worse since Lebron came back than they were when he was injured.

The primary reason for that is because Lebron and his agent threw a giant chemistry bomb into the locker room.


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Re: are the Lakers tanking?
« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2019, 01:21:21 PM »

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Lebron's impact = 2,8% better regular season from the year before.
That's a mark of a true leader that makes his teams better.

Their record with LeBron in the lineup was above .500 before the LeBron got hurt. The Lakers were a good team until he got hurt.

Let's see what that W-L record was. I can't remember it exactly but it was a good mark. They are 24-24 (.500) total with LeBron on the floor. In the 14 games since he returned from injury, the Lakers have won only 4 games. So their W-L with LeBron in the team was 20 wins and 14 losses (.588) prior to his injury.


If not for the injury, I think LAL would have finished up as a 45 win level team.
They were the 4 seed when he got hurt.  Aside from James though, they've had a lot of injuries.  Ingram, Ball, and Rondo have all missed a ton of games as well.  They've all missed at least 14 games (and Ball and Ingram are done for the year now).  That is a lot of lost time to 4 of the 5 most important players on that team.

Injuries are just an excuse. The Lakers have been worse since Lebron came back than they were when he was injured.

The primary reason for that is because Lebron and his agent threw a giant chemistry bomb into the locker room.
maybe maybe not.  Ball has been out since just before James came back and Ball's defense has been very badly missed.  They are just 5-14 since Ball went down, because, in large part, without Ball they have no one playing defense in the backcourt. 

And for the record the Lakers were 6-12 without James and are 4-10 with him since he came back, so not all that much different record wise.  They are 25-22 in Ball's games and 25-20 in the games Ball has started.  They really do badly miss him.

Re: are the Lakers tanking?
« Reply #39 on: March 11, 2019, 01:25:21 PM »

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Tanking is when you are deliberately losing.
They are just plain bad.
So no, Lakers are not tanking.

They are deliberately shutting down players and have put Lebron on a minutes restriction when it's not needed.

By doing that, Lakers will end up being plain bad.

That's still tanking.

Deliberately?

So you think if they were in contention they would run Ingram back out there?

To be honest, no clue what’s going on with Ball’s ankle but with that family you just never know what’s really happening.

I don’t get why they would run LeBron out there for 36+mpg when it won’t make a difference. Even with him they are not a good team. He’s 34-years-old and has more mileage than any player his age in the history of the sport.


I think they are waving the white flag. If that’s “tanking,” sure.
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Re: are the Lakers tanking?
« Reply #40 on: March 11, 2019, 01:33:17 PM »

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Lebron's impact = 2,8% better regular season from the year before.
That's a mark of a true leader that makes his teams better.

Their record with LeBron in the lineup was above .500 before the LeBron got hurt. The Lakers were a good team until he got hurt.

Let's see what that W-L record was. I can't remember it exactly but it was a good mark. They are 24-24 (.500) total with LeBron on the floor. In the 14 games since he returned from injury, the Lakers have won only 4 games. So their W-L with LeBron in the team was 20 wins and 14 losses (.588) prior to his injury.


If not for the injury, I think LAL would have finished up as a 45 win level team.
They were the 4 seed when he got hurt.  Aside from James though, they've had a lot of injuries.  Ingram, Ball, and Rondo have all missed a ton of games as well.  They've all missed at least 14 games (and Ball and Ingram are done for the year now).  That is a lot of lost time to 4 of the 5 most important players on that team.

Injuries are just an excuse. The Lakers have been worse since Lebron came back than they were when he was injured.

The primary reason for that is because Lebron and his agent threw a giant chemistry bomb into the locker room.
maybe maybe not.  Ball has been out since just before James came back and Ball's defense has been very badly missed.  They are just 5-14 since Ball went down, because, in large part, without Ball they have no one playing defense in the backcourt. 

And for the record the Lakers were 6-12 without James and are 4-10 with him since he came back, so not all that much different record wise.  They are 25-22 in Ball's games and 25-20 in the games Ball has started.  They really do badly miss him.

By extension, aren’t you arguing that Lonzo Ball is more important to the Lakers than Lebron?

I don’t buy it. They’re not losing because Ball is out. They’re losing because the locker room was destroyed by their alleged team leader.

I will grant you that nobody on that team even pretends to play defense, though.
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Re: are the Lakers tanking?
« Reply #41 on: March 11, 2019, 01:33:45 PM »

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Lebron's impact = 2,8% better regular season from the year before.
That's a mark of a true leader that makes his teams better.

Their record with LeBron in the lineup was above .500 before the LeBron got hurt. The Lakers were a good team until he got hurt.

Let's see what that W-L record was. I can't remember it exactly but it was a good mark. They are 24-24 (.500) total with LeBron on the floor. In the 14 games since he returned from injury, the Lakers have won only 4 games. So their W-L with LeBron in the team was 20 wins and 14 losses (.588) prior to his injury.


If not for the injury, I think LAL would have finished up as a 45 win level team.
They were the 4 seed when he got hurt.  Aside from James though, they've had a lot of injuries.  Ingram, Ball, and Rondo have all missed a ton of games as well.  They've all missed at least 14 games (and Ball and Ingram are done for the year now).  That is a lot of lost time to 4 of the 5 most important players on that team.

Injuries are just an excuse. The Lakers have been worse since Lebron came back than they were when he was injured.

The primary reason for that is because Lebron and his agent threw a giant chemistry bomb into the locker room.

Yes but not only bc

They were barely on the cusp to make the playoffs regardless

Re: are the Lakers tanking?
« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2019, 01:42:31 PM »

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I think this year is the first time we have seen the issues Lebron causes off the court (being a poor leader, creating drama, applying pressure on the coach) have outweighed the value he has provided on it. I certainly did not expect to see this happen for a few more years.

Re: are the Lakers tanking?
« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2019, 01:56:23 PM »

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Lebron's impact = 2,8% better regular season from the year before.
That's a mark of a true leader that makes his teams better.

Their record with LeBron in the lineup was above .500 before the LeBron got hurt. The Lakers were a good team until he got hurt.

Let's see what that W-L record was. I can't remember it exactly but it was a good mark. They are 24-24 (.500) total with LeBron on the floor. In the 14 games since he returned from injury, the Lakers have won only 4 games. So their W-L with LeBron in the team was 20 wins and 14 losses (.588) prior to his injury.


If not for the injury, I think LAL would have finished up as a 45 win level team.
They were the 4 seed when he got hurt.  Aside from James though, they've had a lot of injuries.  Ingram, Ball, and Rondo have all missed a ton of games as well.  They've all missed at least 14 games (and Ball and Ingram are done for the year now).  That is a lot of lost time to 4 of the 5 most important players on that team.

Injuries are just an excuse. The Lakers have been worse since Lebron came back than they were when he was injured.

The primary reason for that is because Lebron and his agent threw a giant chemistry bomb into the locker room.
maybe maybe not.  Ball has been out since just before James came back and Ball's defense has been very badly missed.  They are just 5-14 since Ball went down, because, in large part, without Ball they have no one playing defense in the backcourt. 

And for the record the Lakers were 6-12 without James and are 4-10 with him since he came back, so not all that much different record wise.  They are 25-22 in Ball's games and 25-20 in the games Ball has started.  They really do badly miss him.

By extension, aren’t you arguing that Lonzo Ball is more important to the Lakers than Lebron?

I don’t buy it. They’re not losing because Ball is out. They’re losing because the locker room was destroyed by their alleged team leader.

I will grant you that nobody on that team even pretends to play defense, though.


It is crazy if we are getting to the point where people believe lonzo ball is more important than Lebron. Has lebron's defense gotten that bad?

Re: are the Lakers tanking?
« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2019, 02:12:15 PM »

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I stated last off-season Lebron should sign with New Orleans as free agent.

Bet he regrets not listening to me.

 

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