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I HATE this. Let's not punish our stars for being real.
« on: February 01, 2019, 04:45:10 PM »

Offline LarBrd33

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Look, when Davis announced his trade request my immediate reaction was to say "I feel like this ruins the season".  I just felt like the type of distraction it was going to cause was going to infest our fan community and our locker-room and distract from the fact Boston has actually been playing pretty darn well as of late (just had our best month of the season) and still stand a reasonable chance of making the Finals.  But instead, here we are bickering and whining about Lakers vs Celtics trade packages, whether Jayson Tatum should be sacrificed, and Kyrie Irving's future.

The heck with this.

First of all, recognize the Rich Paul of it all. 

On Davis: They have every incentive to say Lakers or bust, because it's in his best interest to get out of New Orleans as soon as possible (THIS WEEK).  Boston isn't in the mix right now so any way they can get Boston to concede, the better.  The more hysteria and drama they create, the more they hope the Pelicans react by saying "forget it, we don't want this drama for the next several months" and ship him out right now.  If I'm Davis, I'd far prefer to go to the Lakers right now than staying on the Pelicans.  That's a no-brainer.  Boston will be in the mix if we get to the Summer.

On Kyrie to the Knicks:  It's clear there is no real basis for any of this other than Rich Paul leaking comments to his media people try to stir the pot.  This is a storyline being pushed by the media - not Kyrie himself.

Could Kyrie leave?:  Of course. I've never doubted that.  Even when he said he was planning on staying, my reaction was "no doubt he has Boston as the frontrunner right now, but let's see how he feels in the Summer".  What if Boston underachieved?  What if his key star sidekicks had career ending injuries?  What if Boston got eliminated in the 1st round... and we made it to the Summer and Kevin Durant and Jimmy Butler are somehow signed to a team with a 3rd max cap slot and they are asking Kyrie to come ball?  Forget about "Knicks" for a second.  I'm talking ANY team.  It can be Orlando for all I care.  If presented with those choices, who knows what Kyrie might do.  That was my point then and that's my point now.  There was never any basis that he preferred leaving the Celtics.  It's just that you can't predict what the NBA landscape will look like months from now.

- Kyrie's comments today: Make sure to watch the freakin video instead of reading out of context tweets.  Why are we punishing this guy for being open and honest about his career?  You want him to come out and lie and say he's a Boston lifer?  Why would he?  He didn't choose to be traded to the Celtics.  Yeah, if he were making a decision right now he probably stays with Boston, but the dude is being real when he admits it's not a decision he can make right now.  Not only is it going to depend on what Boston offers financially, but it's going to depend on the makeup of the team, who he is playing with, and the overall direction of the franchise.  You should like our chances.  But listen to the actual interview and it's clear this dude is so outrageously annoyed by everything going on this week.

-  Gonna focus on what's best for his career, but right now he's focused on this season:  No crap.  I can't blame him.  It's going to be a tough choice, but it's not something worth him worrying about right now.  Boston is trying to compete RIGHT NOW.  That's his focus. 

- "Ask me about it July 1st" - This dude is clearly fed up with being asked about this stuff.  I would too.  You know, when he made his offseason declaration he was staying it came after everyone was begging him to do it. "Come on Kyrie, just say you're staying just to shut up the noise".  So then he does exactly that and now people are holding it over his head like he wrote down a promise in blood.  Leave the guy alone.  Stop asking him about something he literally can't make a decision on yet.

- "I respect the Knicks org"... He was asked about the Zinger trade.  By the way, listen to his tone... he's so clearly annoyed he even has to answer this question.  In regards to zinger he says he respects the knicks are making moves and "best of luck to them"... We're playing the Knicks tonight... this was about as cookie-cutter a response as it can get.  What's he supposed to say?... "F New York!"... get real.  Just a cookie-cutter soundbite ahead of tonight's match-up against them.

- "This is dumb sh*t" - He goes on to complain that all of this nonsense/media hysteria/etc is just entertainment and "dumb sh*t".  He's clearly annoyed that his name is in the mix of these rumors (the Rich Paul of it all).  Again, he sounds like he doesn't even want to talk about this crap and I don't blame him.

- "Gonna do my job and see what happens"... yup, just reiterating the same thing.  It's a long season.  His focus is on the present... as it should be.  Don't punish him for not having a crystal ball and being able to see into the future.

- "I don't owe anybody sh*t" - I agree with him.  He's talking about how in the past he made career decisions for others, but he doesn't owe anyone anything.  This isn't directed at the Celtics.  If anything, you could spin this into being directed at Kevin Durant and the Knicks.  He's just being honest.  He doesn't owe anyone anything - and I agree. 

- "I STILL HAVE CONFIDENCE IN BOSTON AND WHAT THEY CAN OFFER FOR THE FUTURE" - Bolding this one, because he goes on to reiterate the same thing I said over the Summer.  If he were making his decision right now, Boston would probably be an easy choice.  There's a lot to love here.  They have a lot of things they can pull off.  Yeah, he can't predict the future, but as of right now he has confidence in Boston.  This is a positive thing.  Embrace it.

- "BOSTON IS STILL AT THE HEAD OF THE RACE" - Bolding this one too, because he flat out says at present Boston is the frontrunner to sign him.  He threw ya'll a bone.  So maybe get off his back about a decision he literally can't make until Summer.

- "It's a distraction.  Trying to avoid it" - Yup.  All of this nonsense is a distraction.  This is what I was worried about when I said the Davis trade request could ruin the season.  Hopefully our guys can tune this out.

- "Storylines can seep into the lockerroom - you guys are part of the destruction of lockerrooms" - I got downvoted on reddit for saying I worried about how this Davis trade would infest our locker-room.  Well now you have Kyrie himself admitting that yes - this media hysteria can in-fact destroy lockerrooms.  And by taking this stuff out of context on twitter/reddit people are contributing to the mounting frustration players like Kyrie, Tatum, and Brown are probably currently feeling when what we want them to do is lock in and kick butt for the Celtics this season.

- "Doesn't like talking about his life".  He goes on to talk about how this is all entertainment and while he respects it, he doesn't want to have to do this part.  He doesn't want to be asked about his future every day.  Why would he?  He literally can't make a decision yet.

Seriously, nothing he said is outlandish.  Nothing he said screams "i'm leaving Boston".  The dude is being honest.  His career decision is going to be very contingent on how the remainder of this season plays out and what Boston can offer him.  We have a TON of options on how we can take this franchise.  Come Summer, Ainge will be able to sit down with Kyrie and be transparent about how we're going to take the team heading forward.  Does Kyrie want to stick around with Tatum and Brown?  Ok.  Does he want us to trade for Davis?  Alright.  Does he want us to try and convince Durant to come here in a sign-and-trade (something Jackie Mac and Windhorst brought up as a possibility a month ago)... sure.    Boston has incredible flexibility and we no doubt will be the frontrunner to keep Kyrie.  At the same time, who knows what's going to happen over the next few months.  I reject the idea that there's some "secret conspiracy" and Durant/Kyrie already have plans to join the Knicks together, but I do acknowledge that if Boston has a complete lockerroom meltdown and another team presents a more logical career path for Kyrie, he'll probably take it.  Let's make sure we're not contributing to the lockerroom destruction by spreading out of context nonsense.

TL;DR:  LEAVE KYRIE ALONE
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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2019, 04:49:10 PM »

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- Kyrie's comments today: Make sure to watch the freakin video instead of reading out of context tweets.  Why are we punishing this guy for being open and honest about his career?  You want him to come out and lie and say he's a Boston lifer? 

Because he came out and lied earlier in the season and said he was staying.

If they didn't mean it, he should have just kept his mouth shut then. Which in turn would have meant nobody would have reacted badly to what he said today.

So why shouldn't people be annoyed? I don't get that.

I am surprised some folks are as annoyed as they are but they are entitled to be upset.

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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2019, 04:53:40 PM »

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- Kyrie's comments today: Make sure to watch the freakin video instead of reading out of context tweets.  Why are we punishing this guy for being open and honest about his career?  You want him to come out and lie and say he's a Boston lifer? 

Because he came out and lied earlier in the season and said he was staying.

If they didn't mean it, he should have just kept his mouth shut then. Which in turn would have meant nobody would have reacted badly to what he said today.

So why shouldn't people be annoyed? I don't get that.

I am surprised some folks are as annoyed as they are but they are entitled to be upset.

Technically he didn’t lie because he said at that time that was how he was feeling lol Until these guys sign the contract it’s all talk. They have so much power now.

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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2019, 04:55:00 PM »

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- Kyrie's comments today: Make sure to watch the freakin video instead of reading out of context tweets.  Why are we punishing this guy for being open and honest about his career?  You want him to come out and lie and say he's a Boston lifer? 

Because he came out and lied earlier in the season and said he was staying.

That's so ridiculous.  I don't care about what he said in some fan event.  Prior to that, all we were hearing about was Kyrie to the Knicks Kyrie to the Knicks Kyrie to the Knicks.  There were literally people saying, "even if he does intend to go to the Knicks can he please at least just come out and say he intends to stay so it will not hover over this entire season?"

So he does exactly that... he said in front of an audience "I plan on re-signing here"... and now people are acting like it's some unbreakable bond.  I didn't think anything of it then and I don't think anything of it now.  Yes, at the time he probably planned on re-signing here.  He probably still plans on re-signing here.   I have no reason to believe he's "planning" on leaving.  The plan is to stay... but who knows what his plan will be once the Summer comes.

Would you have preferred he said at that fan event, "Hey guys, I'm totally leaning towards staying here, but I can't predict how I'll feel next Summer and whether or not staying is the best career decision, but right now I like it here and my current planning as I approach this season from both a team and Nike standpoint is built around the idea of being the face of the Boston Celtics for the long-term... in fact, I even have a commercial planned with my dad built around the concept... my entire team of handlers right now has our eyes towards staying... but who knows how things might change long-term, so don't hold me to it"?... Cuz that's basically what he's been saying over and over and over and over again, but it doesn't sink in.  Instead, it just gets spinned into "OMG KYRIE TO THE KNIXXX!!!!"

Bottom line - whether or not he made that comment at the fan event, you're still going to be burning jerseys if he leaves.  I'm not going to act like this kid broke my heart, because he made some wishywashy declaration of wanting to stay in Boston.  We are the frontrunner to sign him.  A lot can happen.  It all really depends on how the rest of this year plays out and what his options are in the Summer.  For the time being, he's literally the only all-star on this team and we're in the mix to make the conference Finals in large part, because of his play... so let's hope he sticks around.
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I said it before, but you're 100% right on.

Kyrie will do what's best for Kyrie. That makes our job when it comes to retaining his services easy. We just need to be the best spot for Kyrie at the end of this season. Kyrie wants championships and a team to lead. Hey! We want championships and we have a team for him to lead...

We have no reason to expect Kyrie to leave. Everything that's going on regarding the Knicks and Lakers? Noise. Kyrie is here, Kyrie wants to be here, and come July 1st, I fully expect him to resign because I fully expect Boston to be the best landing spot for Kyrie.

It is natural and right for Kyrie to want to do what's best for Kyrie. Fans might disagree about what the best thing is for him, but guys like Danny Ainge know a lot better what Kyrie wants and how to go about achieving that. As fans, we're left with a choice: Either we buy into the noise and hype from the media that has a vested interest in a narrative where Kyrie snubs the Celtics for the Knicks, or we trust in Danny to do what is needed to make Boston the best option for Kyrie.

It's not exciting or topical or sexy, but let's enjoy some really great basketball players performing and growing this season, while Danny Ainge does his thing.
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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2019, 05:03:05 PM »

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- Kyrie's comments today: Make sure to watch the freakin video instead of reading out of context tweets.  Why are we punishing this guy for being open and honest about his career?  You want him to come out and lie and say he's a Boston lifer? 

Because he came out and lied earlier in the season and said he was staying.

That's so ridiculous.  I don't care about what he said in some fan event.  Prior to that, all we were hearing about was Kyrie to the Knicks Kyrie to the Knicks Kyrie to the Knicks.  There were literally people saying, "even if he does intend to go to the Knicks can he please at least just come out and say he intends to stay so it will not hover over this entire season?"

So he does exactly that... he said in front of an audience "I plan on re-signing here"... and now people are acting like it's some unbreakable bond.  I didn't think anything of it then and I don't think anything of it now.  Yes, at the time he probably planned on re-signing here.  He probably still plans on re-signing here.   I have no reason to believe he's "planning" on leaving.  The plan is to stay... but who knows what his plan will be once the Summer comes.

Would you have preferred he said at that fan event, "Hey guys, I'm totally leaning towards staying here, but I can't predict how I'll feel next Summer and whether or not staying is the best career decision, ....

Sorry, that was too long. I couldn't get through all of that.

I would have been fine with him saying in the summer what he said today. Honest talk.

Then say he isn't talking about it for the rest of the season. Refuse any and all questions. Just say "no comment". Because he wants to "concentrate on this season".

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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2019, 05:04:47 PM »

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Great stuff LarBrd.  Can’t agree more.

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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2019, 05:04:52 PM »

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I don't like him flip-flopping on his answers.

I don't care that much about his comments today. I think it's a minor thing. But I do consider his summer comments a lie.

I also have no issue with anyone being upset about it.

It is bad behaviour from Kyrie.

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Yeh he gone /s ::) ::)
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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2019, 05:06:59 PM »

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- Kyrie's comments today: Make sure to watch the freakin video instead of reading out of context tweets.  Why are we punishing this guy for being open and honest about his career?  You want him to come out and lie and say he's a Boston lifer? 

Because he came out and lied earlier in the season and said he was staying.

That's so ridiculous.  I don't care about what he said in some fan event.  Prior to that, all we were hearing about was Kyrie to the Knicks Kyrie to the Knicks Kyrie to the Knicks.  There were literally people saying, "even if he does intend to go to the Knicks can he please at least just come out and say he intends to stay so it will not hover over this entire season?"

So he does exactly that... he said in front of an audience "I plan on re-signing here"... and now people are acting like it's some unbreakable bond.  I didn't think anything of it then and I don't think anything of it now.  Yes, at the time he probably planned on re-signing here.  He probably still plans on re-signing here.   I have no reason to believe he's "planning" on leaving.  The plan is to stay... but who knows what his plan will be once the Summer comes.

Would you have preferred he said at that fan event, "Hey guys, I'm totally leaning towards staying here, but I can't predict how I'll feel next Summer and whether or not staying is the best career decision, but right now I like it here and my current planning as I approach this season from both a team and Nike standpoint is built around the idea of being the face of the Boston Celtics for the long-term... in fact, I even have a commercial planned with my dad built around the concept... my entire team of handlers right now has our eyes towards staying... but who knows how things might change long-term, so don't hold me to it"?... Cuz that's basically what he's been saying over and over and over and over again, but it doesn't sink in.  Instead, it just gets spinned into "OMG KYRIE TO THE KNIXXX!!!!"

Bottom line - whether or not he made that comment at the fan event, you're still going to be burning jerseys if he leaves.  I'm not going to act like this kid broke my heart, because he made some wishywashy declaration of wanting to stay in Boston.  We are the frontrunner to sign him.  A lot can happen.  It all really depends on how the rest of this year plays out and what his options are in the Summer.  For the time being, he's literally the only all-star on this team and we're in the mix to make the conference Finals in large part, because of his play... so let's hope he sticks around.

Sorry, that was too long. I couldn't get through all of that.

I would have been fine with him saying in the summer what he said today. Honest talk.

Then say he isn't talking about it for the rest of the season. Refuse any and all questions. Just say "no comment". Because he wants to "concentrate on this season".
He said "I plan on staying".

We know this to be true... he wouldn't have green-lit a Nike commercial with his dad talking about what an honor it is to play in Boston if everyone in Kyrie's camp wasn't planning around the idea of Kyrie staying. 

That said, plans can change.  And while I still think Kyrie probably "plans" to stay here the dude is just being honest that anything can happen in this business.  Kudos to him for being real.  He's being pestered about this daily and instead of sugar-coating it he says the truth which is that Boston is the frontrunner, he believes in the team and the future of the team, yes he's still probably "planning" on staying...  but that at the end of the day he's going to make a decision that's best for his career.

He didn't lie then and he's not lying now.

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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2019, 05:23:10 PM »

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Yeh he gone /s ::) ::)
Agreed. 

People are taking this WAY out of context. 

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- Kyrie's comments today: Make sure to watch the freakin video instead of reading out of context tweets.  Why are we punishing this guy for being open and honest about his career?  You want him to come out and lie and say he's a Boston lifer? 

Because he came out and lied earlier in the season and said he was staying.

If they didn't mean it, he should have just kept his mouth shut then. Which in turn would have meant nobody would have reacted badly to what he said today.

So why shouldn't people be annoyed? I don't get that.

I am surprised some folks are as annoyed as they are but they are entitled to be upset.


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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2019, 05:26:07 PM »

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One important thing you missed LB, is when asked why he changed his mind from last summer to now, when the reporter twisted his July 1st comment as saying Kyrie said he would decide on July 1st not that Kyrie was dismissing the 1st reporter's question....Kyrie then said nothing has changed. 

Nothing has changed


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- Kyrie's comments today: Make sure to watch the freakin video instead of reading out of context tweets.  Why are we punishing this guy for being open and honest about his career?  You want him to come out and lie and say he's a Boston lifer? 

Because he came out and lied earlier in the season and said he was staying.

If they didn't mean it, he should have just kept his mouth shut then. Which in turn would have meant nobody would have reacted badly to what he said today.

So why shouldn't people be annoyed? I don't get that.

I am surprised some folks are as annoyed as they are but they are entitled to be upset.




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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2019, 05:33:45 PM »

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One important thing you missed LB, is when asked why he changed his mind from last summer to now, when the reporter twisted his July 1st comment as saying Kyrie said he would decide on July 1st not that Kyrie was dismissing the 1st reporter's question....Kyrie then said nothing has changed. 

Nothing has changed
Yes.  And honestly this really sucks all-around.  Boston just had a really terrific month.  Everyone is starting to get into a groove.  Kyrie has been putting up MVP-level numbers.  Meanwhile, they have this huge distraction of thinking everyone on the team is a sitting duck, because of Anthony Davis... and all anyone wants to talk about is the idea Durant and Kyrie have some secret collusion pact to join the Knicks.  It's ridiculous.

This Kyrie Irving hate campaign continues to puzzle me.  When I sat in with the dudes who do the Celtics Reddit Podcast, I joked that it was a conspiracy being perpetuated by New York media and the Dolan propaganda machine, but seriously... a small part of this is true.  Less the New York angle and more the spin coming out of Rich Paul's camp.  You can understand the logic in it... let's get the Celtics to panic-trade Kyrie and give up on Davis so that they remove themselves from the running or perhaps create enough turmoil that the Pelicans will just do what many teams have done in the past and just bite the bullet without doing their full due diligence.   We've seen that time and time again where a guy just gets traded abruptly and everyone sits around wondering why they didn't wait for better offers.  If you're Rich Paul, it's in your best interest to get Davis off the Pelicans immediately so he doesn't have to play out a garbage season there.  Far more appealing to try to make a run with LeBron and start lining up endorsement deals.   If Boston were available to actually make a trade, you wouldnt' be seeing these Kyrie Irving hit jobs and you wouldn't see leaks coming out of Davis' camp that he has no interest in Boston.  It would be a different story. 

The whole thing is annoying.  Kyrie just keeps reiterating that his current plan is to stay in Boston and yet you have people trying to actively demonize him.