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Re: The problem is not Gordon Hayward
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2019, 03:01:16 PM »

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I do not expect anything out of Hayward this season. He is broken mentally and he just is not making progress. Those expecting some sort of switch to be turned on come the playoffs are going to be disappointed.

This is the player that he is. Not changing anytime soon.

Anonymous Warriors player tells Jeff Goodman: Gordon Hayward is a "liability on both ends of court" https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/1/27/18199617/anonymous-warriors-player-tells-jeff-goodman-gordon-hayward-is-a-liability-on-both-ends-of-court?utm_campaign=celticsblog&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Re: The problem is not Gordon Hayward
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2019, 03:05:36 PM »

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Remember when people thought there was a chance he could come back at the end of last year? Crazy how that sounds now. The guy is not back. Not close at the moment.

Re: The problem is not Gordon Hayward
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2019, 03:10:55 PM »

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Remember when people thought there was a chance he could come back at the end of last year? Crazy how that sounds now. The guy is not back. Not close at the moment.

At some point everyone has to agree this isn't working. Would not mind to see him sent to the G league to gain some confidence and to improve. He is struggling big time. I watched him try to guard guys last night and he could not do it. He passes over 50 percent of the time when he drives to the basket. When he does not pass he can't finish. He has one of the largest contacts in the NBA and add very little to this team.

His shoots with no confidence. Slow.

Re: The problem is not Gordon Hayward
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2019, 03:14:37 PM »

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I agree with those that say it’s unfair to expect too much too soon from Hayward . But he is a large part of our problem.
Consider if Gordon were not on the roster that his max money might have been used elsewhere. Maybe a big. Don’t ask who  I am just spitballing .
Also consider players like Brown and Rozier giving up minutes to a player who is only occasionally producing. They may love Gordon ,or not, but it has to be hard giving minutes away .
Unfortunately because of the money I see no way to resolve the Hayward dilemma this season.
The positive news is we are still a good team with an ourtside chance to have a very good playoff run.
The bad news is we are not the powerhouse we expected .

Re: The problem is not Gordon Hayward
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2019, 03:23:43 PM »

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I am so glad Kyrie wanted out of Cleveland, and Ainge went big balls arranging a trade for him.

And I thought entering the 2017 season Gordon Hayward would be our number 1 guy on the team. How the tables have turned...


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Re: The problem is not Gordon Hayward
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2019, 03:26:15 PM »

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It’s everyone who expected Gordon to be back to all star form already.  This was a SERIOUS injury and it’s goin to take time to make it all the way back. If he’s all the way back by playoffs that would be amazing but if not I think everyone should just hope he’s back to Utah Gordon for next season - and I believe he will be.

I think everyone in the org expects him to be an integral part of our future still - it just may not be this season.  No need to get so worked up about him.  He’s working his way back and doing his best.

the problem was brad stevens insisting he start, everything after that has been a trickle down from that. even brad stevens realized this was the problem when he sent him to the bench... eventually.

now, as soon as hayward enters the game the chemistry goes out the window because 4 out of the 5 guys on the court are ready to go full speed instead they're having to react to if that 5th player is able to at least play at 70% from night to night.

hayward shouldn't play for this team until he's ready and the coach should have the balls to make this stand.

Re: The problem is not Gordon Hayward
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2019, 03:28:39 PM »

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It really is sad and embarrassing to watch Hayward fumble around out there. I had such high hopes when they signed him. Had high hopes this season thinking he could contribute. He has turned into a walk on at the end of the bench that comes in and scores and the crowd gets excited. If he scores 10 points in a game...that is like found money.

Sucks. I have started to accept it though. Maybe next year he can be the guy we need. Just not happening this year. Over halfway through the season and he looks no better than he did on night one.

I just wish CBS would not put him in during big moments of the game. He just can't play at that level yet. And honestly his contract is an albatross. 30 mill a year for a guy that contributes very little to this team and organization. Seems aloof. Seems like the stage is too big for him. Seems like he is just broken mentally.

Re: The problem is not Gordon Hayward
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2019, 03:29:40 PM »

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I do not expect anything out of Hayward this season. He is broken mentally and he just is not making progress. Those expecting some sort of switch to be turned on come the playoffs are going to be disappointed.

This is the player that he is. Not changing anytime soon.

Anonymous Warriors player tells Jeff Goodman: Gordon Hayward is a "liability on both ends of court" https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/1/27/18199617/anonymous-warriors-player-tells-jeff-goodman-gordon-hayward-is-a-liability-on-both-ends-of-court?utm_campaign=celticsblog&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Got any proof that he’s broken mentally? And continuing to link the same article isn’t helping matters.

Re: The problem is not Gordon Hayward
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2019, 03:29:43 PM »

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Remember when people thought there was a chance he could come back at the end of last year? Crazy how that sounds now. The guy is not back. Not close at the moment.

At some point everyone has to agree this isn't working. Would not mind to see him sent to the G league to gain some confidence and to improve. He is struggling big time. I watched him try to guard guys last night and he could not do it. He passes over 50 percent of the time when he drives to the basket. When he does not pass he can't finish. He has one of the largest contacts in the NBA and add very little to this team.

His shoots with no confidence. Slow.
What would sending him to G League exactly accomplish? His explosiveness isnt going to magically just appear in the G League.

I still believe he looks significantly bulkier than he was in Utah and I think that has messed with his explosiveness. I think he needs to trim down and get rid of some of that bulk.

Re: The problem is not Gordon Hayward
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2019, 03:32:08 PM »

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I do not expect anything out of Hayward this season. He is broken mentally and he just is not making progress. Those expecting some sort of switch to be turned on come the playoffs are going to be disappointed.

This is the player that he is. Not changing anytime soon.

Anonymous Warriors player tells Jeff Goodman: Gordon Hayward is a "liability on both ends of court" https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/1/27/18199617/anonymous-warriors-player-tells-jeff-goodman-gordon-hayward-is-a-liability-on-both-ends-of-court?utm_campaign=celticsblog&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Got any proof that he’s broken mentally? And continuing to link the same article isn’t helping matters.

Have you watched him play? He is beyond timid has admitted he still thinks about the injury a lot and it alters the way he plays. He is not the same guy mentally out there.

Maybe some of the problems could be helped if he was in shape. He looks much heavier than he did in Utah. Not saying he is fat but he is not the same body type as he was when he signed here.

Re: The problem is not Gordon Hayward
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2019, 03:32:14 PM »

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Remember when people thought there was a chance he could come back at the end of last year? Crazy how that sounds now. The guy is not back. Not close at the moment.

At some point everyone has to agree this isn't working. Would not mind to see him sent to the G league to gain some confidence and to improve. He is struggling big time. I watched him try to guard guys last night and he could not do it. He passes over 50 percent of the time when he drives to the basket. When he does not pass he can't finish. He has one of the largest contacts in the NBA and add very little to this team.

His shoots with no confidence. Slow.
What would sending him to G League exactly accomplish? His explosiveness isnt going to magically just appear in the G League.

I still believe he looks significantly bulkier than he was in Utah and I think that has messed with his explosiveness. I think he needs to trim down and get rid of some of that bulk.

sending him to the D League will allow minutes for players who can actually contribute.

Re: The problem is not Gordon Hayward
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2019, 03:41:27 PM »

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I do not expect anything out of Hayward this season. He is broken mentally and he just is not making progress. Those expecting some sort of switch to be turned on come the playoffs are going to be disappointed.

This is the player that he is. Not changing anytime soon.

Anonymous Warriors player tells Jeff Goodman: Gordon Hayward is a "liability on both ends of court" https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/1/27/18199617/anonymous-warriors-player-tells-jeff-goodman-gordon-hayward-is-a-liability-on-both-ends-of-court?utm_campaign=celticsblog&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Got any proof that he’s broken mentally? And continuing to link the same article isn’t helping matters.

Have you watched him play? He is beyond timid has admitted he still thinks about the injury a lot and it alters the way he plays. He is not the same guy mentally out there.

Maybe some of the problems could be helped if he was in shape. He looks much heavier than he did in Utah. Not saying he is fat but he is not the same body type as he was when he signed here.

You sound like you never had your ankle snapped in two. It’s natural to be cautious about being injured again. What’ll help is to gain more confidence through play.

Re: The problem is not Gordon Hayward
« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2019, 03:44:23 PM »

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I do not expect anything out of Hayward this season. He is broken mentally and he just is not making progress. Those expecting some sort of switch to be turned on come the playoffs are going to be disappointed.

This is the player that he is. Not changing anytime soon.

Anonymous Warriors player tells Jeff Goodman: Gordon Hayward is a "liability on both ends of court" https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/1/27/18199617/anonymous-warriors-player-tells-jeff-goodman-gordon-hayward-is-a-liability-on-both-ends-of-court?utm_campaign=celticsblog&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Got any proof that he’s broken mentally? And continuing to link the same article isn’t helping matters.

Have you watched him play? He is beyond timid has admitted he still thinks about the injury a lot and it alters the way he plays. He is not the same guy mentally out there.

Maybe some of the problems could be helped if he was in shape. He looks much heavier than he did in Utah. Not saying he is fat but he is not the same body type as he was when he signed here.

You sound like you never had your ankle snapped in two. It’s natural to be cautious about being injured again. What’ll help is to gain more confidence through play.

Serious question. It has been over half the season. Are you seeing him become more confident through his play?

Re: The problem is not Gordon Hayward
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2019, 05:32:02 PM »

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It’s everyone who expected Gordon to be back to all star form already.  This was a SERIOUS injury and it’s goin to take time to make it all the way back. If he’s all the way back by playoffs that would be amazing but if not I think everyone should just hope he’s back to Utah Gordon for next season - and I believe he will be.

I think everyone in the org expects him to be an integral part of our future still - it just may not be this season.  No need to get so worked up about him.  He’s working his way back and doing his best.

In hindsight what they should have done with Gordon, after he had to have the second surgery, was to shut him down for the whole year, like Philly has done to Embiid, Simmons, Fultz, Zhaire Smith. Have him complete his rehab and everything away from the public and unforgiving eyes of media and fans in a team that is expected to contend for the championship. To contend for a championship every piece needs to be working. In the day to day rollercoaster of a championship push, nobody remembers what happened to you a year ago. People have short memories, they judge you on how they see you now, so you're only as good as your last game. Let him be criticized for sitting out the whole year and "count his millions", at least the team can be blamed for taking a conservative approach, as opposed to people getting frustrated with his inconsistency day in and day out. Then he could have come back next year and been in a much better position to succeed.

But I guess he wanted to play...the reality is that he is back, and here, and he needs to figure out how to fit into the offense, how to impact the game in the 20-24 mins and the 18% usage that he gets a game.  It won't be easy for him as he's not a microwave scorer who can provide instant offense soon as he gets in, he's more of an amplifier type player who makes everyone around him better and for that he needs minutes. But who will the minutes come from? Everyone needs minutes.

Personally, after the first week I revised my expectations of Hayward, it was obvious he had a long road ahead of him. I suspect that Danny and Brad have a long term approach as well - as fans we get caught in the here and now but those guys are probably thinking about how the team will look years into the future and what roles each player has to play in that. I suspect they both think that Gordon has a significant role to play in that future, so even if he's costing us $30m now he gets through this year, has a full offseason, some guys are traded for a superstar package to sacrifice quantity for quality, and he ends up being a significant contributor on a championship team 2 years from now they will regard the max contract as money well spent. But right now...we deserve more for our (their) money than 2ppg, [dang it]!  :laugh:
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Re: The problem is not Gordon Hayward
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2019, 05:44:00 PM »

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I never had any expectations for him this year so I’m good. Whether he should be taking minutes away from other guys in the hope he does look much better in April is another story. I can see both sides of it.