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Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #375 on: January 13, 2020, 11:24:10 PM »

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Cory Booker officially quit today.  This guy went from “rising star” to “also ran” almost overnight.’

Also today: Warren and Sanders took the gloves off. Supposedly Sanders told Warren in 2018 that he couldn't see a woman getting elected. Maybe I'm a sexist, but IMO this little exchange makes Warren look desperate and hypocritical because literally yesterday she was criticizing Sanders over not running a positive campaign.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/13/politics/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-meeting/index.html

Tough for Warren to claim she's "above the fray" when she criticizes Mayor Pete about campaign contributions and then leaks a story the day before a debate but won't take credit for the story emerging.
Pretty dubious about the accuracy of that. Feel like Warren is just being pathetic (surprise?)
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Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #376 on: January 14, 2020, 06:57:18 AM »

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Never saw Bloomberg, Patrick, Klobuchar, or Yang as credible candidates and hate to say it, but think Mayor Pete is unelectable nation wide due to being gay. I would love to be wrong about that as I think Mayor Pete would bring a breath of fresh air to Washington, but I don't think I am.
 
I don't want Warren or Bernie running, though I think if either got elected and were pragmatic with their far left tendencies, I think both would be good Presidents.

For those reasons, I think Biden needs to be the nominee

i agree with Pete being unelectable and not good for relations with alot of our worst adversaries..   ....even though i kinda like what he says for some topics inside our country, i just can't imagine the way he d be treated by most the Arab nations who have near zero tolerance or respect for homosexuality.  Taking his husband to These countries could be a nighmare for him.
Hmm I think you are not 100% right on this. Homosexual acts are quite common in those countries. For a few reasons :
- there are more men than women
- women have to mary as virgins to a man
- rich men have multiple wives

this leaves many single men with few options but having sex with another man.
Now gay marriage is a big no there

you think sexual orientation is based on demand and supply?

For whatever it’s worth, he said “acts”, rather than orientation. I have absolutely no idea if what he’s claiming is true, and I certainly don’t think that would factor into foreign policy.  But, regarding simply the act of sodomy, in certain environments “supply and demand” does play a role. Namely, in prison.

I’m also certain that this particular tangent is taking us off-topic.  If Americans take Mayor Pete’s orientation into account when voting, it won’t be due to foreign policy implications.  And, final thoughts:  it sucks that some won’t vote for Mayor Pete in the primary due to electability based upon his orientation.  I’d like to think that, just like with Obama, that America can put its prejudice aside.
In this election, the ability to be elected nation wide is extremely important to defeating Trump. It is imperative for Trump to be defeated and in this election the DNC needs to choose a candidate with the ability to be elected nationwide.

The Dems can't nominate extreme left candidates like Warren and Sanders as they could force many fence sitting independents and Republicans to vote Trump.

Well, you can't nominate a gay man as well as, the stigma of homophobia still is strong in this country, especially amongst a major portion of the male minority vote, a major block of Democratic support that will be needed to defeat Trump. Unfortunately, prejudice against gay people is very real and must be taken into consideration when choosing a candidate that you want to ensure Trump is removed from office.

A gay male candidate loses the male black and male Latino vote and much of the religious vote that is running from Trump.  Mayor Pete would be great, but he loses to Trump, so the nomination has to go elsewhere.

Oh, I get the analysis. It’s the world we live in. It just blows, because it’s basically a “I won’t choose you because other Neanderthals won’t vote for you” argument, which in itself is a softer form of discrimination.

It sucks for qualified gays. Their day will come, but telling anybody “You can’t be chosen due to characteristic X” just frustrates me.  And I know you feel the same way.
I have very strong opinions against trump like very very strong and still would choose him over warren and sanders. I don’t think I’m Neanderthal.
I think Warren and Sanders if elected will ruin the technological innovation of this country and the world. Communist ideas have been proven to not work throughout history.
Communistic regimes emerge and collapse rather violently as well.
They are not communists, they are democratic socialists.  But you would rather vote for a lying, cheating, misogynist, racist traitor with no respect for the constitution or checks-and-balances of our government.  OK.

Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #377 on: January 14, 2020, 07:47:41 AM »

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Never saw Bloomberg, Patrick, Klobuchar, or Yang as credible candidates and hate to say it, but think Mayor Pete is unelectable nation wide due to being gay. I would love to be wrong about that as I think Mayor Pete would bring a breath of fresh air to Washington, but I don't think I am.
 
I don't want Warren or Bernie running, though I think if either got elected and were pragmatic with their far left tendencies, I think both would be good Presidents.

For those reasons, I think Biden needs to be the nominee

i agree with Pete being unelectable and not good for relations with alot of our worst adversaries..   ....even though i kinda like what he says for some topics inside our country, i just can't imagine the way he d be treated by most the Arab nations who have near zero tolerance or respect for homosexuality.  Taking his husband to These countries could be a nighmare for him.
Hmm I think you are not 100% right on this. Homosexual acts are quite common in those countries. For a few reasons :
- there are more men than women
- women have to mary as virgins to a man
- rich men have multiple wives

this leaves many single men with few options but having sex with another man.
Now gay marriage is a big no there

you think sexual orientation is based on demand and supply?

For whatever it’s worth, he said “acts”, rather than orientation. I have absolutely no idea if what he’s claiming is true, and I certainly don’t think that would factor into foreign policy.  But, regarding simply the act of sodomy, in certain environments “supply and demand” does play a role. Namely, in prison.

I’m also certain that this particular tangent is taking us off-topic.  If Americans take Mayor Pete’s orientation into account when voting, it won’t be due to foreign policy implications.  And, final thoughts:  it sucks that some won’t vote for Mayor Pete in the primary due to electability based upon his orientation.  I’d like to think that, just like with Obama, that America can put its prejudice aside.
In this election, the ability to be elected nation wide is extremely important to defeating Trump. It is imperative for Trump to be defeated and in this election the DNC needs to choose a candidate with the ability to be elected nationwide.

The Dems can't nominate extreme left candidates like Warren and Sanders as they could force many fence sitting independents and Republicans to vote Trump.

Well, you can't nominate a gay man as well as, the stigma of homophobia still is strong in this country, especially amongst a major portion of the male minority vote, a major block of Democratic support that will be needed to defeat Trump. Unfortunately, prejudice against gay people is very real and must be taken into consideration when choosing a candidate that you want to ensure Trump is removed from office.

A gay male candidate loses the male black and male Latino vote and much of the religious vote that is running from Trump.  Mayor Pete would be great, but he loses to Trump, so the nomination has to go elsewhere.

Oh, I get the analysis. It’s the world we live in. It just blows, because it’s basically a “I won’t choose you because other Neanderthals won’t vote for you” argument, which in itself is a softer form of discrimination.

It sucks for qualified gays. Their day will come, but telling anybody “You can’t be chosen due to characteristic X” just frustrates me.  And I know you feel the same way.
I have very strong opinions against trump like very very strong and still would choose him over warren and sanders. I don’t think I’m Neanderthal.
I think Warren and Sanders if elected will ruin the technological innovation of this country and the world. Communist ideas have been proven to not work throughout history.
Communistic regimes emerge and collapse rather violently as well.

In all seriousness, communist? Warren is more like Brandeis; she wants more effective regulation of big corporations,which have tilted politics and markets against ordinary people. Sanders is a democratic socialist. Each of them shows more respect for liberal democracy - an independent judiciary, the right of opposition parties to form and free elections to be held, the bill of rights - than any communist. Or that matter, the current occupant of the White House.

And whatever else happens, any Democratic president who can get elected in 2020 is going to have to deal with a Senate that is either run by Mitch McConnell or has a pretty conservative Democrat (Joe Manchin, for example) as the 50th vote.

Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #378 on: January 14, 2020, 08:17:15 AM »

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But you would rather vote for a lying, cheating, misogynist, racist traitor with no respect for the constitution or checks-and-balances of our government.  OK.

Democrats nominated Hillary Clinton. 

Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #379 on: January 14, 2020, 08:40:13 AM »

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But you would rather vote for a lying, cheating, misogynist, racist traitor with no respect for the constitution or checks-and-balances of our government.  OK.

Democrats nominated Hillary Clinton.

Just because the right wants to portray Hillary as a demonic criminal doesn't mean that she is. I understand that many people do not like her personality (I assume this has a lot to do with her being a strong woman who has been in politics for 30 years), but the whataboutism with Hillary when Trump's...umm...downfalls are brought up is purely comical. Please, just stop it with Hillary - she did not win the election (actually, she did) and she is not our current disgraceful president.

Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #380 on: January 14, 2020, 09:07:24 AM »

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Just because the right wants to portray Hillary as a demonic criminal doesn't mean that she is. I understand that many people do not like her personality (I assume this has a lot to do with her being a strong woman who has been in politics for 30 years), but the whataboutism with Hillary when Trump's...umm...downfalls are brought up is purely comical. Please, just stop it with Hillary - she did not win the election (actually, she did) and she is not our current disgraceful president.

She is just as horrible and dishonest of a person and I would argue more criminal.  She has no redeeming qualities and Democrats have no room to shame Republicans for voting for Trump given whom they nominated.  So whataboutism is very valid.   

 

Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #381 on: January 14, 2020, 10:24:05 AM »

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Just because the right wants to portray Hillary as a demonic criminal doesn't mean that she is. I understand that many people do not like her personality (I assume this has a lot to do with her being a strong woman who has been in politics for 30 years), but the whataboutism with Hillary when Trump's...umm...downfalls are brought up is purely comical. Please, just stop it with Hillary - she did not win the election (actually, she did) and she is not our current disgraceful president.

She is just as horrible and dishonest of a person and I would argue more criminal.  She has no redeeming qualities and Democrats have no room to shame Republicans for voting for Trump given whom they nominated.  So whataboutism is very valid.
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Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #382 on: January 14, 2020, 11:07:48 AM »

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Just because the right wants to portray Hillary as a demonic criminal doesn't mean that she is. I understand that many people do not like her personality (I assume this has a lot to do with her being a strong woman who has been in politics for 30 years), but the whataboutism with Hillary when Trump's...umm...downfalls are brought up is purely comical. Please, just stop it with Hillary - she did not win the election (actually, she did) and she is not our current disgraceful president.

She is just as horrible and dishonest of a person and I would argue more criminal.  She has no redeeming qualities and Democrats have no room to shame Republicans for voting for Trump given whom they nominated.  So whataboutism is very valid.
No, you are mistaken.

It’s hard to make a definitive judgment.  As far as we know, Trump didn’t cover up a rape committed by his spouse, while Hilary almost certainly did.

Both are vile people willing to do evil acts in the name of ambition.  Luckily, neither is running in the Democrat primary, so we don’t have to spend any more time on them in this thread.
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Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #383 on: January 14, 2020, 11:21:03 AM »

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Just because the right wants to portray Hillary as a demonic criminal doesn't mean that she is. I understand that many people do not like her personality (I assume this has a lot to do with her being a strong woman who has been in politics for 30 years), but the whataboutism with Hillary when Trump's...umm...downfalls are brought up is purely comical. Please, just stop it with Hillary - she did not win the election (actually, she did) and she is not our current disgraceful president.

She is just as horrible and dishonest of a person and I would argue more criminal.  She has no redeeming qualities and Democrats have no room to shame Republicans for voting for Trump given whom they nominated.  So whataboutism is very valid.

This feels like just trying to insist an equivalence into existence - Hillary doesn't have a campaign manager and personal lawyer in jail, the latter in part for a felony she ordered, multiple top aides as convicted felons, multiple counts of obstruction that only being President is forestalling indictment on, a lifetime ban from running a charity, a $25 million settlement for defrauding thousands with a fake scam "university", hiding her tax returns after insisting she'd release them, etc etc. Let alone a hot mic recording where she spontaneously brags about committing serial sexual assault or repeatedly attacking American law enforcement to cover for a foreign election attack that she aided and abetted. She's also nowhere near as dishonest as Trump by any means anyone has ever devised to measure it; of course no politician is. There's no coherent argument to equate the two without wholesale eliding or just making stuff up.

I think when the vitriol gets this intense and extreme but none of the dozens of partisan investigations ever turn up anything, that it's something much more visceral at play than anything she's actually said or done, as jambr noted.

Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #384 on: January 14, 2020, 12:18:53 PM »

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Never saw Bloomberg, Patrick, Klobuchar, or Yang as credible candidates and hate to say it, but think Mayor Pete is unelectable nation wide due to being gay. I would love to be wrong about that as I think Mayor Pete would bring a breath of fresh air to Washington, but I don't think I am.
 
I don't want Warren or Bernie running, though I think if either got elected and were pragmatic with their far left tendencies, I think both would be good Presidents.

For those reasons, I think Biden needs to be the nominee

i agree with Pete being unelectable and not good for relations with alot of our worst adversaries..   ....even though i kinda like what he says for some topics inside our country, i just can't imagine the way he d be treated by most the Arab nations who have near zero tolerance or respect for homosexuality.  Taking his husband to These countries could be a nighmare for him.
Hmm I think you are not 100% right on this. Homosexual acts are quite common in those countries. For a few reasons :
- there are more men than women
- women have to mary as virgins to a man
- rich men have multiple wives

this leaves many single men with few options but having sex with another man.
Now gay marriage is a big no there

you think sexual orientation is based on demand and supply?

For whatever it’s worth, he said “acts”, rather than orientation. I have absolutely no idea if what he’s claiming is true, and I certainly don’t think that would factor into foreign policy.  But, regarding simply the act of sodomy, in certain environments “supply and demand” does play a role. Namely, in prison.

I’m also certain that this particular tangent is taking us off-topic.  If Americans take Mayor Pete’s orientation into account when voting, it won’t be due to foreign policy implications.  And, final thoughts:  it sucks that some won’t vote for Mayor Pete in the primary due to electability based upon his orientation.  I’d like to think that, just like with Obama, that America can put its prejudice aside.
In this election, the ability to be elected nation wide is extremely important to defeating Trump. It is imperative for Trump to be defeated and in this election the DNC needs to choose a candidate with the ability to be elected nationwide.

The Dems can't nominate extreme left candidates like Warren and Sanders as they could force many fence sitting independents and Republicans to vote Trump.

Well, you can't nominate a gay man as well as, the stigma of homophobia still is strong in this country, especially amongst a major portion of the male minority vote, a major block of Democratic support that will be needed to defeat Trump. Unfortunately, prejudice against gay people is very real and must be taken into consideration when choosing a candidate that you want to ensure Trump is removed from office.

A gay male candidate loses the male black and male Latino vote and much of the religious vote that is running from Trump.  Mayor Pete would be great, but he loses to Trump, so the nomination has to go elsewhere.

Oh, I get the analysis. It’s the world we live in. It just blows, because it’s basically a “I won’t choose you because other Neanderthals won’t vote for you” argument, which in itself is a softer form of discrimination.

It sucks for qualified gays. Their day will come, but telling anybody “You can’t be chosen due to characteristic X” just frustrates me.  And I know you feel the same way.
I have very strong opinions against trump like very very strong and still would choose him over warren and sanders. I don’t think I’m Neanderthal.
I think Warren and Sanders if elected will ruin the technological innovation of this country and the world. Communist ideas have been proven to not work throughout history.
Communistic regimes emerge and collapse rather violently as well.

In all seriousness, communist? Warren is more like Brandeis; she wants more effective regulation of big corporations,which have tilted politics and markets against ordinary people. Sanders is a democratic socialist. Each of them shows more respect for liberal democracy - an independent judiciary, the right of opposition parties to form and free elections to be held, the bill of rights - than any communist. Or that matter, the current occupant of the White House.

And whatever else happens, any Democratic president who can get elected in 2020 is going to have to deal with a Senate that is either run by Mitch McConnell or has a pretty conservative Democrat (Joe Manchin, for example) as the 50th vote.
This tells you how much people like me despise communists. Unlike (I assume) you I have experienced first hand what is it to live under Socialist >> communist rule. Trust me you do not want that.
Sanders has observed how Scandinavian nations live and think this is applicable in USA. He is very wrong on that.
Warren's spat with big tech companies tells you how "progressive" she is. She wants to punish (and break apart) tech companies that change the way we live because they benefit from the big market in USA... how stupid that is?

Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #385 on: January 14, 2020, 12:26:20 PM »

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Never saw Bloomberg, Patrick, Klobuchar, or Yang as credible candidates and hate to say it, but think Mayor Pete is unelectable nation wide due to being gay. I would love to be wrong about that as I think Mayor Pete would bring a breath of fresh air to Washington, but I don't think I am.
 
I don't want Warren or Bernie running, though I think if either got elected and were pragmatic with their far left tendencies, I think both would be good Presidents.

For those reasons, I think Biden needs to be the nominee

i agree with Pete being unelectable and not good for relations with alot of our worst adversaries..   ....even though i kinda like what he says for some topics inside our country, i just can't imagine the way he d be treated by most the Arab nations who have near zero tolerance or respect for homosexuality.  Taking his husband to These countries could be a nighmare for him.
Hmm I think you are not 100% right on this. Homosexual acts are quite common in those countries. For a few reasons :
- there are more men than women
- women have to mary as virgins to a man
- rich men have multiple wives

this leaves many single men with few options but having sex with another man.
Now gay marriage is a big no there

you think sexual orientation is based on demand and supply?

For whatever it’s worth, he said “acts”, rather than orientation. I have absolutely no idea if what he’s claiming is true, and I certainly don’t think that would factor into foreign policy.  But, regarding simply the act of sodomy, in certain environments “supply and demand” does play a role. Namely, in prison.

I’m also certain that this particular tangent is taking us off-topic.  If Americans take Mayor Pete’s orientation into account when voting, it won’t be due to foreign policy implications.  And, final thoughts:  it sucks that some won’t vote for Mayor Pete in the primary due to electability based upon his orientation.  I’d like to think that, just like with Obama, that America can put its prejudice aside.
In this election, the ability to be elected nation wide is extremely important to defeating Trump. It is imperative for Trump to be defeated and in this election the DNC needs to choose a candidate with the ability to be elected nationwide.

The Dems can't nominate extreme left candidates like Warren and Sanders as they could force many fence sitting independents and Republicans to vote Trump.

Well, you can't nominate a gay man as well as, the stigma of homophobia still is strong in this country, especially amongst a major portion of the male minority vote, a major block of Democratic support that will be needed to defeat Trump. Unfortunately, prejudice against gay people is very real and must be taken into consideration when choosing a candidate that you want to ensure Trump is removed from office.

A gay male candidate loses the male black and male Latino vote and much of the religious vote that is running from Trump.  Mayor Pete would be great, but he loses to Trump, so the nomination has to go elsewhere.

Oh, I get the analysis. It’s the world we live in. It just blows, because it’s basically a “I won’t choose you because other Neanderthals won’t vote for you” argument, which in itself is a softer form of discrimination.

It sucks for qualified gays. Their day will come, but telling anybody “You can’t be chosen due to characteristic X” just frustrates me.  And I know you feel the same way.
I have very strong opinions against trump like very very strong and still would choose him over warren and sanders. I don’t think I’m Neanderthal.
I think Warren and Sanders if elected will ruin the technological innovation of this country and the world. Communist ideas have been proven to not work throughout history.
Communistic regimes emerge and collapse rather violently as well.

In all seriousness, communist? Warren is more like Brandeis; she wants more effective regulation of big corporations,which have tilted politics and markets against ordinary people. Sanders is a democratic socialist. Each of them shows more respect for liberal democracy - an independent judiciary, the right of opposition parties to form and free elections to be held, the bill of rights - than any communist. Or that matter, the current occupant of the White House.

And whatever else happens, any Democratic president who can get elected in 2020 is going to have to deal with a Senate that is either run by Mitch McConnell or has a pretty conservative Democrat (Joe Manchin, for example) as the 50th vote.
This tells you how much people like me despise communists. Unlike (I assume) you I have experienced first hand what is it to live under Socialist >> communist rule. Trust me you do not want that.
Sanders has observed how Scandinavian nations live and think this is applicable in USA. He is very wrong on that.
Warren's spat with big tech companies tells you how "progressive" she is. She wants to punish (and break apart) tech companies that change the way we live because they benefit from the big market in USA... how stupid that is?

I haven't lived under communism, but my father escaped from it and I have a number of relatives who stayed behind, where they were under very harsh rule for decades. I visited a few years before the regime fell, and from that and many stories I heard over the years I understand that communism is very, very bad. Also, this makes it very easy for me to tell communism apart from what they have in Denmark or Sweden. The gulf is *vast*.

Whether the ideas of Sanders, Warren, of these other countries are good for America is a question people can debate. Whether they're communist really isn't.



Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #386 on: January 14, 2020, 01:07:28 PM »

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Never saw Bloomberg, Patrick, Klobuchar, or Yang as credible candidates and hate to say it, but think Mayor Pete is unelectable nation wide due to being gay. I would love to be wrong about that as I think Mayor Pete would bring a breath of fresh air to Washington, but I don't think I am.
 
I don't want Warren or Bernie running, though I think if either got elected and were pragmatic with their far left tendencies, I think both would be good Presidents.

For those reasons, I think Biden needs to be the nominee

i agree with Pete being unelectable and not good for relations with alot of our worst adversaries..   ....even though i kinda like what he says for some topics inside our country, i just can't imagine the way he d be treated by most the Arab nations who have near zero tolerance or respect for homosexuality.  Taking his husband to These countries could be a nighmare for him.
Hmm I think you are not 100% right on this. Homosexual acts are quite common in those countries. For a few reasons :
- there are more men than women
- women have to mary as virgins to a man
- rich men have multiple wives

this leaves many single men with few options but having sex with another man.
Now gay marriage is a big no there

you think sexual orientation is based on demand and supply?

For whatever it’s worth, he said “acts”, rather than orientation. I have absolutely no idea if what he’s claiming is true, and I certainly don’t think that would factor into foreign policy.  But, regarding simply the act of sodomy, in certain environments “supply and demand” does play a role. Namely, in prison.

I’m also certain that this particular tangent is taking us off-topic.  If Americans take Mayor Pete’s orientation into account when voting, it won’t be due to foreign policy implications.  And, final thoughts:  it sucks that some won’t vote for Mayor Pete in the primary due to electability based upon his orientation.  I’d like to think that, just like with Obama, that America can put its prejudice aside.
In this election, the ability to be elected nation wide is extremely important to defeating Trump. It is imperative for Trump to be defeated and in this election the DNC needs to choose a candidate with the ability to be elected nationwide.

The Dems can't nominate extreme left candidates like Warren and Sanders as they could force many fence sitting independents and Republicans to vote Trump.

Well, you can't nominate a gay man as well as, the stigma of homophobia still is strong in this country, especially amongst a major portion of the male minority vote, a major block of Democratic support that will be needed to defeat Trump. Unfortunately, prejudice against gay people is very real and must be taken into consideration when choosing a candidate that you want to ensure Trump is removed from office.

A gay male candidate loses the male black and male Latino vote and much of the religious vote that is running from Trump.  Mayor Pete would be great, but he loses to Trump, so the nomination has to go elsewhere.

Oh, I get the analysis. It’s the world we live in. It just blows, because it’s basically a “I won’t choose you because other Neanderthals won’t vote for you” argument, which in itself is a softer form of discrimination.

It sucks for qualified gays. Their day will come, but telling anybody “You can’t be chosen due to characteristic X” just frustrates me.  And I know you feel the same way.
I have very strong opinions against trump like very very strong and still would choose him over warren and sanders. I don’t think I’m Neanderthal.
I think Warren and Sanders if elected will ruin the technological innovation of this country and the world. Communist ideas have been proven to not work throughout history.
Communistic regimes emerge and collapse rather violently as well.

In all seriousness, communist? Warren is more like Brandeis; she wants more effective regulation of big corporations,which have tilted politics and markets against ordinary people. Sanders is a democratic socialist. Each of them shows more respect for liberal democracy - an independent judiciary, the right of opposition parties to form and free elections to be held, the bill of rights - than any communist. Or that matter, the current occupant of the White House.

And whatever else happens, any Democratic president who can get elected in 2020 is going to have to deal with a Senate that is either run by Mitch McConnell or has a pretty conservative Democrat (Joe Manchin, for example) as the 50th vote.
This tells you how much people like me despise communists. Unlike (I assume) you I have experienced first hand what is it to live under Socialist >> communist rule. Trust me you do not want that.
Sanders has observed how Scandinavian nations live and think this is applicable in USA. He is very wrong on that.
Warren's spat with big tech companies tells you how "progressive" she is. She wants to punish (and break apart) tech companies that change the way we live because they benefit from the big market in USA... how stupid that is?

I haven't lived under communism, but my father escaped from it and I have a number of relatives who stayed behind, where they were under very harsh rule for decades. I visited a few years before the regime fell, and from that and many stories I heard over the years I understand that communism is very, very bad. Also, this makes it very easy for me to tell communism apart from what they have in Denmark or Sweden. The gulf is *vast*.

Whether the ideas of Sanders, Warren, of these other countries are good for America is a question people can debate. Whether they're communist really isn't.
Just like it makes sense that people call Trump "lying, cheating, misogynist, racist traitor with no respect for the constitution "  .. to me it makes sense that Sanders and Warren can be called communists.

Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #387 on: January 14, 2020, 01:09:39 PM »

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But you would rather vote for a lying, cheating, misogynist, racist traitor with no respect for the constitution or checks-and-balances of our government.  OK.

Democrats nominated Hillary Clinton.

she stole the nomination from Bernie  ;D


Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #388 on: January 14, 2020, 01:58:01 PM »

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Never saw Bloomberg, Patrick, Klobuchar, or Yang as credible candidates and hate to say it, but think Mayor Pete is unelectable nation wide due to being gay. I would love to be wrong about that as I think Mayor Pete would bring a breath of fresh air to Washington, but I don't think I am.
 
I don't want Warren or Bernie running, though I think if either got elected and were pragmatic with their far left tendencies, I think both would be good Presidents.

For those reasons, I think Biden needs to be the nominee

i agree with Pete being unelectable and not good for relations with alot of our worst adversaries..   ....even though i kinda like what he says for some topics inside our country, i just can't imagine the way he d be treated by most the Arab nations who have near zero tolerance or respect for homosexuality.  Taking his husband to These countries could be a nighmare for him.
Hmm I think you are not 100% right on this. Homosexual acts are quite common in those countries. For a few reasons :
- there are more men than women
- women have to mary as virgins to a man
- rich men have multiple wives

this leaves many single men with few options but having sex with another man.
Now gay marriage is a big no there

you think sexual orientation is based on demand and supply?

For whatever it’s worth, he said “acts”, rather than orientation. I have absolutely no idea if what he’s claiming is true, and I certainly don’t think that would factor into foreign policy.  But, regarding simply the act of sodomy, in certain environments “supply and demand” does play a role. Namely, in prison.

I’m also certain that this particular tangent is taking us off-topic.  If Americans take Mayor Pete’s orientation into account when voting, it won’t be due to foreign policy implications.  And, final thoughts:  it sucks that some won’t vote for Mayor Pete in the primary due to electability based upon his orientation.  I’d like to think that, just like with Obama, that America can put its prejudice aside.
In this election, the ability to be elected nation wide is extremely important to defeating Trump. It is imperative for Trump to be defeated and in this election the DNC needs to choose a candidate with the ability to be elected nationwide.

The Dems can't nominate extreme left candidates like Warren and Sanders as they could force many fence sitting independents and Republicans to vote Trump.

Well, you can't nominate a gay man as well as, the stigma of homophobia still is strong in this country, especially amongst a major portion of the male minority vote, a major block of Democratic support that will be needed to defeat Trump. Unfortunately, prejudice against gay people is very real and must be taken into consideration when choosing a candidate that you want to ensure Trump is removed from office.

A gay male candidate loses the male black and male Latino vote and much of the religious vote that is running from Trump.  Mayor Pete would be great, but he loses to Trump, so the nomination has to go elsewhere.

Oh, I get the analysis. It’s the world we live in. It just blows, because it’s basically a “I won’t choose you because other Neanderthals won’t vote for you” argument, which in itself is a softer form of discrimination.

It sucks for qualified gays. Their day will come, but telling anybody “You can’t be chosen due to characteristic X” just frustrates me.  And I know you feel the same way.
I have very strong opinions against trump like very very strong and still would choose him over warren and sanders. I don’t think I’m Neanderthal.
I think Warren and Sanders if elected will ruin the technological innovation of this country and the world. Communist ideas have been proven to not work throughout history.
Communistic regimes emerge and collapse rather violently as well.

In all seriousness, communist? Warren is more like Brandeis; she wants more effective regulation of big corporations,which have tilted politics and markets against ordinary people. Sanders is a democratic socialist. Each of them shows more respect for liberal democracy - an independent judiciary, the right of opposition parties to form and free elections to be held, the bill of rights - than any communist. Or that matter, the current occupant of the White House.

And whatever else happens, any Democratic president who can get elected in 2020 is going to have to deal with a Senate that is either run by Mitch McConnell or has a pretty conservative Democrat (Joe Manchin, for example) as the 50th vote.
This tells you how much people like me despise communists. Unlike (I assume) you I have experienced first hand what is it to live under Socialist >> communist rule. Trust me you do not want that.
Sanders has observed how Scandinavian nations live and think this is applicable in USA. He is very wrong on that.
Warren's spat with big tech companies tells you how "progressive" she is. She wants to punish (and break apart) tech companies that change the way we live because they benefit from the big market in USA... how stupid that is?

I haven't lived under communism, but my father escaped from it and I have a number of relatives who stayed behind, where they were under very harsh rule for decades. I visited a few years before the regime fell, and from that and many stories I heard over the years I understand that communism is very, very bad. Also, this makes it very easy for me to tell communism apart from what they have in Denmark or Sweden. The gulf is *vast*.

Whether the ideas of Sanders, Warren, of these other countries are good for America is a question people can debate. Whether they're communist really isn't.
Just like it makes sense that people call Trump "lying, cheating, misogynist, racist traitor with no respect for the constitution "  .. to me it makes sense that Sanders and Warren can be called communists.

You seem to be saying that if other people make bad arguments, you are going to make your own bad arguments. 

That's one way to go. Is it really what you want?


Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #389 on: January 14, 2020, 02:06:40 PM »

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But you would rather vote for a lying, cheating, misogynist, racist traitor with no respect for the constitution or checks-and-balances of our government.  OK.

Democrats nominated Hillary Clinton. 

Probably the most qualified candidate since Bush Sr.

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