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Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #150 on: March 08, 2019, 08:24:15 PM »

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The problem for the Dems is escaping the left-hand corner of the room. Now that the Democrats and the Socialists are being joined as one. The center is wide open.

I'm afraid we'll see a Sanders/Warren ticket...a disaster of a choice.
Gawd!!!  That would be awful.  Can't stand Sanders or Warren.  Warren just proposed that the government should break up Amazon, Google and Facebook.  My hope is the liberal loons don't coalesce around a single candidate and moderates do.
I have no problem with politicians on either side of the aisle calling to break up monopolies. It's been done before to mixed results.

Not sure why Warren wants Facebook broken up. Facebook has tons of competition when it comes to social media outlets. Now, if she wants them held accountable for how they handle their data and their security measures for that data, yeah, I can see that.

Personally, I think Facebook could be the Blockbuster video of social media...the place to be, the stock you want to own...until technology makes it obsolete. Why break it up now? It is probably dead in a decade or two.

Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #151 on: March 11, 2019, 06:38:11 PM »

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Pete Buttigieg gave an excellent showing at his "Town Hall" the other night.   

I think he's way too young (37) for me to think he has a real shot.   Being gay will definitely cost votes as well as being mayor of only a moderate-sized city (larger than Wasilla, Alaska, I guess).  But I think his age makes him a tough guy for me to vote for.   But I think he did very well in his first extended primetime exposure to the American people.  Came across as articulate, bright, knowledgeable, military veteran, pragmatic approach to decision-making.  Wish he was about 15 years older with a broader base of experience. 

Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #152 on: March 13, 2019, 08:54:09 AM »

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Pete Buttigieg gave an excellent showing at his "Town Hall" the other night.   

I think he's way too young (37) for me to think he has a real shot.   Being gay will definitely cost votes as well as being mayor of only a moderate-sized city (larger than Wasilla, Alaska, I guess).  But I think his age makes him a tough guy for me to vote for.   But I think he did very well in his first extended primetime exposure to the American people.  Came across as articulate, bright, knowledgeable, military veteran, pragmatic approach to decision-making.  Wish he was about 15 years older with a broader base of experience. 


Like him as well.

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Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #153 on: March 13, 2019, 08:56:26 AM »

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What do people here think of Andrew Yang?

Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #154 on: March 13, 2019, 09:16:51 AM »

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What do people here think of Andrew Yang?

No idea.

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Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #155 on: March 13, 2019, 09:46:53 AM »

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What do people here think of Andrew Yang?

Couple people (including myself) have posted about him in this thread. I don't know much, but he makes the most sense to me of any of the Democrats I've heard. Not even sure about his resume, but his ideas are just plain superior...imo.

Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #156 on: March 13, 2019, 10:30:26 AM »

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Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #157 on: March 14, 2019, 09:23:24 AM »

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Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
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What do people here think of Andrew Yang?

Couple people (including myself) have posted about him in this thread. I don't know much, but he makes the most sense to me of any of the Democrats I've heard. Not even sure about his resume, but his ideas are just plain superior...imo.

Universal basic income of $1000 per month for every adult?


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Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #159 on: March 14, 2019, 10:01:42 AM »

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I think it's gonna come down to Beto/Biden.

Bernie Sanders isn't going to have the same energy he had in 2016, the party overall has already adopted his most popular positions where he differed from HRC.

I've yet to meet a single person who is excited about Cory Booker as President in 2020.

I really like Mayor Pete and if there were primaries today I'd be voting for him.

Julian Castro, I don't really know much about him besides listening to a few interviews. Should learn more but I don't think he gets very far down the line.

John Delaney is I'm pretty sure a former writer for SNL and I think he's funny but he's an acquired taste. I like the stuff he and Nick Kroll do together. Big Mouth was funny.

Tulsi Gabbard, boo.

Kirsten Gillbrand, I actually know someone on her staff. I'd vote for her for senator again. I'd be comfortable voting for her for President. I don't think I'd vote for her over Biden, Beto, or Mayor Pete.

Kamala Harris, same thing as Gillibrand but less.

Don't know anything about Hickenlooper or Inslee

Amy Klobachar seems like she's going to get a lot of the initial misogynistic mean lady vibes and that'll probably submarine her candidacy. It's not fair that women have to seem to have a tranquil nice side when men get to be all blustery and aggressive without consequence (except for Howard Dean), but it does seem to be the way things are, and I think right now she's going to foot that bill of 'She doesn't seem nice'.

Bernie Sanders I think is going to turn from sympathetic underdog to annoying guy people kind of resent this election cycle.

Elizabeth Warren...man I don't know what to make of her.

That's IP's rundown for mid-march of 2019. Let's come back in a year and see how wrong I was.

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Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #160 on: March 14, 2019, 10:02:56 AM »

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What do people here think of Andrew Yang?

Couple people (including myself) have posted about him in this thread. I don't know much, but he makes the most sense to me of any of the Democrats I've heard. Not even sure about his resume, but his ideas are just plain superior...imo.

Universal basic income of $1000 per month for every adult?
would seem less than what those collecting Welfare or unemployment are getting.

on the face of it, I would think there'd be a lot of opposition to just giving people money that they're not earning and this proposal would really need to have a lot of the details hammered out before it should ever be proposed as a govt program.  things like:
- how old is 'adult'?  is it 18?  is it 21?  is it 26 when children can no longer be covered under a parent's insurance per the ACA?

- is this meant to supplement those people working a full-time job that pays them less that $1000 per month to get them up to that much?  ex.  someone earns $800 a month, are they getting $200 to get them to $1000 or are they getting a full $1000?   If it's a supplement to get the working poor up to $1000 a month, that's something that can be discussed with some merit.  if it's $1000 for everyone, is that any more or less acceptable to the masses?  would people making $40,000 annually object to getting another $1000 a month?  maybe not.  I'm sure people would be absolutely against people like Trump getting another $1000 a month.  would there be an income level cutoff for receiving this and if so, what would that be?

- are those people receiving this $ and not working going to be required to work for it in some capacity?  If so, would their be exceptions (Health-related, disabled, young children, job-training instead of work, etc...)?  If they must work, in what capacity and would it be as part of a federal program or would the States have a say in what type of work it should be?  (trash collection on roadsides, crossing guards, office work, etc... low-level positions commensurate with the money being paid out)

- Who are these people receiving this without working and why wouldn't the already be eligible for Welfare or Unemployment or Social Security (health-related recipients under 65)?  is there anyone out there not collecting some govt money already that would be eligible for this?

just things to consider about this proposal.  I think with the main topic broken down into these pieces (and there's certainly more breakdowns/questions to be made), this goes from something dismissed out of hand or ridiculed to something that might merit some consideration if more details are put to this idea.

Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #161 on: March 18, 2019, 09:56:13 AM »

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What do people here think of Andrew Yang?

Couple people (including myself) have posted about him in this thread. I don't know much, but he makes the most sense to me of any of the Democrats I've heard. Not even sure about his resume, but his ideas are just plain superior...imo.

Universal basic income of $1000 per month for every adult?
would seem less than what those collecting Welfare or unemployment are getting.

on the face of it, I would think there'd be a lot of opposition to just giving people money that they're not earning and this proposal would really need to have a lot of the details hammered out before it should ever be proposed as a govt program.  things like:
- how old is 'adult'?  is it 18?  is it 21?  is it 26 when children can no longer be covered under a parent's insurance per the ACA?

- is this meant to supplement those people working a full-time job that pays them less that $1000 per month to get them up to that much?  ex.  someone earns $800 a month, are they getting $200 to get them to $1000 or are they getting a full $1000?   If it's a supplement to get the working poor up to $1000 a month, that's something that can be discussed with some merit.  if it's $1000 for everyone, is that any more or less acceptable to the masses?  would people making $40,000 annually object to getting another $1000 a month?  maybe not.  I'm sure people would be absolutely against people like Trump getting another $1000 a month.  would there be an income level cutoff for receiving this and if so, what would that be?

- are those people receiving this $ and not working going to be required to work for it in some capacity?  If so, would their be exceptions (Health-related, disabled, young children, job-training instead of work, etc...)?  If they must work, in what capacity and would it be as part of a federal program or would the States have a say in what type of work it should be?  (trash collection on roadsides, crossing guards, office work, etc... low-level positions commensurate with the money being paid out)

- Who are these people receiving this without working and why wouldn't the already be eligible for Welfare or Unemployment or Social Security (health-related recipients under 65)?  is there anyone out there not collecting some govt money already that would be eligible for this?

just things to consider about this proposal.  I think with the main topic broken down into these pieces (and there's certainly more breakdowns/questions to be made), this goes from something dismissed out of hand or ridiculed to something that might merit some consideration if more details are put to this idea.

I just don’t understand the raw economics of it.

There are approximately 200 million adults in the US. $1000 per month means $200 billion per month. Over 12 months, that’s $2.4 trillion! Our current budget is about $3.8 trillion, running about a $1 trillion deficit.  In other words, we’d be spending almost all of our revenue on UBI; everything else in the budget would be pure debt.

Where does that money come from? Wouldn’t that create massive inflation?  And then we’re adding universal inflation on top of that?

Why is Yang getting buzz? He can’t even work a calculator.

And some of the details are available. 17 years old, all adults are eligible, no work requirements.


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Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #162 on: March 18, 2019, 10:18:49 AM »

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What do people here think of Andrew Yang?

Couple people (including myself) have posted about him in this thread. I don't know much, but he makes the most sense to me of any of the Democrats I've heard. Not even sure about his resume, but his ideas are just plain superior...imo.

Universal basic income of $1000 per month for every adult?
would seem less than what those collecting Welfare or unemployment are getting.

on the face of it, I would think there'd be a lot of opposition to just giving people money that they're not earning and this proposal would really need to have a lot of the details hammered out before it should ever be proposed as a govt program.  things like:
- how old is 'adult'?  is it 18?  is it 21?  is it 26 when children can no longer be covered under a parent's insurance per the ACA?

- is this meant to supplement those people working a full-time job that pays them less that $1000 per month to get them up to that much?  ex.  someone earns $800 a month, are they getting $200 to get them to $1000 or are they getting a full $1000?   If it's a supplement to get the working poor up to $1000 a month, that's something that can be discussed with some merit.  if it's $1000 for everyone, is that any more or less acceptable to the masses?  would people making $40,000 annually object to getting another $1000 a month?  maybe not.  I'm sure people would be absolutely against people like Trump getting another $1000 a month.  would there be an income level cutoff for receiving this and if so, what would that be?

- are those people receiving this $ and not working going to be required to work for it in some capacity?  If so, would their be exceptions (Health-related, disabled, young children, job-training instead of work, etc...)?  If they must work, in what capacity and would it be as part of a federal program or would the States have a say in what type of work it should be?  (trash collection on roadsides, crossing guards, office work, etc... low-level positions commensurate with the money being paid out)

- Who are these people receiving this without working and why wouldn't the already be eligible for Welfare or Unemployment or Social Security (health-related recipients under 65)?  is there anyone out there not collecting some govt money already that would be eligible for this?

just things to consider about this proposal.  I think with the main topic broken down into these pieces (and there's certainly more breakdowns/questions to be made), this goes from something dismissed out of hand or ridiculed to something that might merit some consideration if more details are put to this idea.

I just don’t understand the raw economics of it.

There are approximately 200 million adults in the US. $1000 per month means $200 billion per month. Over 12 months, that’s $2.4 trillion! Our current budget is about $3.8 trillion, running about a $1 trillion deficit.  In other words, we’d be spending almost all of our revenue on UBI; everything else in the budget would be pure debt.

Where does that money come from? Wouldn’t that create massive inflation?  And then we’re adding universal inflation on top of that?

Why is Yang getting buzz? He can’t even work a calculator.

And some of the details are available. 17 years old, all adults are eligible, no work requirements.

If you've happened to notice my posts on political/economic issues around here you'll see that I'm a laissez faire, free market guy. I see any socialist initiatives as actions that a thriving capitalist system might be able to afford as a luxury, but does not spark growth or make net improvements economically.

However, the world is about to change like never before, and while there are several possible outcomes, one is a world in which UBI is necessary to prevent disaster. I can't write it off completely.

As for the math, you have to understand that the argument for UBI does not exist within a vacuum. The argument assumes or includes savings in other areas like crime costs and unemployment costs, while factoring in less overhead costs for industries that are replacing humans with automation. The math you posted, one way or another will be obsolete. Whether Yang's calculator skills are accurate or not is debatable, but absolutely worth the debate.

Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #163 on: March 18, 2019, 11:23:52 AM »

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I think it's gonna come down to Beto/Biden.

Bernie Sanders isn't going to have the same energy he had in 2016, the party overall has already adopted his most popular positions where he differed from HRC.

I've yet to meet a single person who is excited about Cory Booker as President in 2020.

I really like Mayor Pete and if there were primaries today I'd be voting for him.

Julian Castro, I don't really know much about him besides listening to a few interviews. Should learn more but I don't think he gets very far down the line.

John Delaney is I'm pretty sure a former writer for SNL and I think he's funny but he's an acquired taste. I like the stuff he and Nick Kroll do together. Big Mouth was funny.

Tulsi Gabbard, boo.

Kirsten Gillbrand, I actually know someone on her staff. I'd vote for her for senator again. I'd be comfortable voting for her for President. I don't think I'd vote for her over Biden, Beto, or Mayor Pete.

Kamala Harris, same thing as Gillibrand but less.

Don't know anything about Hickenlooper or Inslee

Amy Klobachar seems like she's going to get a lot of the initial misogynistic mean lady vibes and that'll probably submarine her candidacy. It's not fair that women have to seem to have a tranquil nice side when men get to be all blustery and aggressive without consequence (except for Howard Dean), but it does seem to be the way things are, and I think right now she's going to foot that bill of 'She doesn't seem nice'.

Bernie Sanders I think is going to turn from sympathetic underdog to annoying guy people kind of resent this election cycle.

Elizabeth Warren...man I don't know what to make of her.

That's IP's rundown for mid-march of 2019. Let's come back in a year and see how wrong I was.

I think you are thinking of John MULaney   :laugh:
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Re: Democratic Presidential Candidates 2020
« Reply #164 on: March 18, 2019, 11:27:31 AM »

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OP updated to include Beto O'Rourke and Wayne Messam.
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