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Trump On His Shutdown: (It Could Last) Months Of Even Years
« on: January 04, 2019, 02:03:30 PM »

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Apparently Trump told Schumer that the shutdown could last a long time.

Quote from: TF NYT
Emerging from what they called a “sometimes contentious” meeting at the White House, Democratic leaders said Mr. Trump remained adamant that he would not sign spending bills to reopen the shuttered offices unless Congress approved money for his wall on the southern border.

“We told the president we needed the government open,” Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the Democratic leader, told reporters outside the White House. “He resisted. In fact, he said he’d keep the government closed for a very long period of time, months or even years.”

Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California said her party was committed to securing the border but wants the government reopened while they negotiate that. “We can do that best when government is open,” she said. “We’ve made that clear to the president.”

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Re: Trump On His Shutdown: (It Could Last) Months Of Even Years
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2019, 03:44:26 PM »

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well the hits just keep on coming from our embarrassment of a president

sounds like Trump believes he has the authority to order the military to build the wall without the approval of congress.  He just keeps on digging himself deeper and deeper.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-shutdown-wall/trump-says-he-could-use-emergency-powers-to-build-border-wall-idUSKCN1OY1VK

Re: Trump On His Shutdown: (It Could Last) Months Of Even Years
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2019, 03:55:42 PM »

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well the hits just keep on coming from our embarrassment of a president

sounds like Trump believes he has the authority to order the military to build the wall without the approval of congress.  He just keeps on digging himself deeper and deeper.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-shutdown-wall/trump-says-he-could-use-emergency-powers-to-build-border-wall-idUSKCN1OY1VK

Even so...if he wants to do that - HE should reopen the government. He makes absolutely no sense, in fact he's acting like a spoiled child. If he wants to use his 'magical' powers to build the wall through the Army Corps then let him do it - Take the CR from Pelosi and reopen the government.

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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2019, 04:06:04 PM »

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I keep waiting for someone, anyone to hold him accountable to his promise to get Mexico to pay for it.  if they pay for it, fine, let him build it.  otherwise, shut up and pass a needed spending bill.

federal employees should not be expected to work for free or be furloughed.

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well the hits just keep on coming from our embarrassment of a president

sounds like Trump believes he has the authority to order the military to build the wall without the approval of congress.  He just keeps on digging himself deeper and deeper.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-shutdown-wall/trump-says-he-could-use-emergency-powers-to-build-border-wall-idUSKCN1OY1VK

Even so...if he wants to do that - HE should reopen the government. He makes absolutely no sense, in fact he's acting like a spoiled child. If he wants to use his 'magical' powers to build the wall through the Army Corps then let him do it - Take the CR from Pelosi and reopen the government.
Acting like?  He is a spoiled child. 

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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2019, 04:07:55 PM »

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Eh. That’s how checks and balances work.  Congress has had decades to address illegal immigration.  A President is finally doing something about it, which is his right and duty.

There’s plenty of room for compromise, Dems just don’t want to sell out their future voters.


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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2019, 04:16:51 PM »

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Eh. That’s how checks and balances work.  Congress has had decades to address illegal immigration.  A President is finally doing something about it, which is his right and duty.

There’s plenty of room for compromise, Dems just don’t want to sell out their future voters.
sure, Dems have offered money for more border security, just not for a nonsense wall that Trump said Mexico would pay for.  why should Americans put their tax money towards that boondoggle?  as for the 'future voters' crack, that's pretty petty. 

as for congress not addressing it -- Reps have owned congress the past 8 years - didn't do a thing about it.  in fact, didn't they flip that congress from a 2-year Dem control running on Tea Party fiscal responsibility?  where's that gone?  (off topic a bit but saying you put this on congress and expecting something is pointless unless you're going to point out they didn't even do what they said they would do, not just this recent foolishness)

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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2019, 04:20:11 PM »

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well the hits just keep on coming from our embarrassment of a president

sounds like Trump believes he has the authority to order the military to build the wall without the approval of congress.  He just keeps on digging himself deeper and deeper.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-shutdown-wall/trump-says-he-could-use-emergency-powers-to-build-border-wall-idUSKCN1OY1VK

Even so...if he wants to do that - HE should reopen the government. He makes absolutely no sense, in fact he's acting like a spoiled child. If he wants to use his 'magical' powers to build the wall through the Army Corps then let him do it - Take the CR from Pelosi and reopen the government.

I agree with you!  Reopen the government and stop hijacking federal employees salaries.  But I also think that he doesn't have the legal right to claim that our southern border is an national emergency.  The real national emergency is Trump's presidency itself. 

Until that is resolved all the rest of this is just small potatoes.

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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2019, 04:34:49 PM »

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Eh. That’s how checks and balances work.  Congress has had decades to address illegal immigration.  A President is finally doing something about it, which is his right and duty.

There’s plenty of room for compromise, Dems just don’t want to sell out their future voters.

Roy, I actually have a problem with this - how do you know that the 'future voters' (I'm assuming you mean Dreamers) will vote Democrat?
If you and others think that they will vote Democrat, why isn't there some outreach to try and persuade them to become Republicans? 

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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2019, 04:41:17 PM »

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years? ha ha ha....

1. people are not getting their tax refund taxes on time.
2. SNAP program is out of money in february (food assistance, a lot more Republicans than Dems are SNAP beneficiaries)
3. school lunches run out of funding in february.
4. No agricultural loans
5. Coast Guard pay runs out soon.
6. Once it hits a certain point essential employees not getting paid will quit to take new jobs and no one is going to sign on for no pay. So, fewer TSA workers? enjoy 4 hour TSA lines.
7. border patrol and ICE quitting en mass. FBI agents etc. again, no one new signs on for no pay.
8. and wait for the news stories from families of ICE, TSA, secret service, FBI, etc. as they suffer evictions, debts, etc. while their breadwinner gets no pay for working.

this aint going on for years.

p.s. and dont forget the contractors not getting paid either.
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Eh. That’s how checks and balances work.  Congress has had decades to address illegal immigration.  A President is finally doing something about it, which is his right and duty.

There’s plenty of room for compromise, Dems just don’t want to sell out their future voters.
sure, Dems have offered money for more border security, just not for a nonsense wall that Trump said Mexico would pay for.  why should Americans put their tax money towards that boondoggle?  as for the 'future voters' crack, that's pretty petty. 

as for congress not addressing it -- Reps have owned congress the past 8 years - didn't do a thing about it.  in fact, didn't they flip that congress from a 2-year Dem control running on Tea Party fiscal responsibility?  where's that gone?  (off topic a bit but saying you put this on congress and expecting something is pointless unless you're going to point out they didn't even do what they said they would do, not just this recent foolishness)

I thought that when I said “decades” it was pretty clear it included both parties choosing to do nothing.

Reach a compromise. The President has a responsibility to stand up to Congress’ inaction.


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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2019, 04:51:00 PM »

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Eh. That’s how checks and balances work.  Congress has had decades to address illegal immigration.  A President is finally doing something about it, which is his right and duty.

There’s plenty of room for compromise, Dems just don’t want to sell out their future voters.
sure, Dems have offered money for more border security, just not for a nonsense wall that Trump said Mexico would pay for.  why should Americans put their tax money towards that boondoggle?  as for the 'future voters' crack, that's pretty petty. 

as for congress not addressing it -- Reps have owned congress the past 8 years - didn't do a thing about it.  in fact, didn't they flip that congress from a 2-year Dem control running on Tea Party fiscal responsibility?  where's that gone?  (off topic a bit but saying you put this on congress and expecting something is pointless unless you're going to point out they didn't even do what they said they would do, not just this recent foolishness)

I thought that when I said “decades” it was pretty clear it included both parties choosing to do nothing.

Reach a compromise. The President has a responsibility to stand up to Congress’ inaction.
but they did take action and passed a number of different plans. trump turned them all down, one after first agreeing to it. i dont follow you here.
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Eh. That’s how checks and balances work.  Congress has had decades to address illegal immigration.  A President is finally doing something about it, which is his right and duty.

There’s plenty of room for compromise, Dems just don’t want to sell out their future voters.
sure, Dems have offered money for more border security, just not for a nonsense wall that Trump said Mexico would pay for.  why should Americans put their tax money towards that boondoggle?  as for the 'future voters' crack, that's pretty petty. 

as for congress not addressing it -- Reps have owned congress the past 8 years - didn't do a thing about it.  in fact, didn't they flip that congress from a 2-year Dem control running on Tea Party fiscal responsibility?  where's that gone?  (off topic a bit but saying you put this on congress and expecting something is pointless unless you're going to point out they didn't even do what they said they would do, not just this recent foolishness)

I thought that when I said “decades” it was pretty clear it included both parties choosing to do nothing.

Reach a compromise. The President has a responsibility to stand up to Congress’ inaction.

And the House has a right to stand up to an inane action.

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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2019, 05:16:37 PM »

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Eh. That’s how checks and balances work.  Congress has had decades to address illegal immigration.  A President is finally doing something about it, which is his right and duty.

There’s plenty of room for compromise, Dems just don’t want to sell out their future voters.
sure, Dems have offered money for more border security, just not for a nonsense wall that Trump said Mexico would pay for.  why should Americans put their tax money towards that boondoggle?  as for the 'future voters' crack, that's pretty petty. 

as for congress not addressing it -- Reps have owned congress the past 8 years - didn't do a thing about it.  in fact, didn't they flip that congress from a 2-year Dem control running on Tea Party fiscal responsibility?  where's that gone?  (off topic a bit but saying you put this on congress and expecting something is pointless unless you're going to point out they didn't even do what they said they would do, not just this recent foolishness)

I thought that when I said “decades” it was pretty clear it included both parties choosing to do nothing.

Reach a compromise. The President has a responsibility to stand up to Congress’ inaction.

And the House has a right to stand up to an inane action.

They do.  And thus, a shutdown. 

Since neither can ram through their agenda, it's time for compromise.  Which is exactly how checks and balances is supposed to work.


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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2019, 05:18:36 PM »

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Eh. That’s how checks and balances work.  Congress has had decades to address illegal immigration.  A President is finally doing something about it, which is his right and duty.

There’s plenty of room for compromise, Dems just don’t want to sell out their future voters.
sure, Dems have offered money for more border security, just not for a nonsense wall that Trump said Mexico would pay for.  why should Americans put their tax money towards that boondoggle?  as for the 'future voters' crack, that's pretty petty. 

as for congress not addressing it -- Reps have owned congress the past 8 years - didn't do a thing about it.  in fact, didn't they flip that congress from a 2-year Dem control running on Tea Party fiscal responsibility?  where's that gone?  (off topic a bit but saying you put this on congress and expecting something is pointless unless you're going to point out they didn't even do what they said they would do, not just this recent foolishness)

I thought that when I said “decades” it was pretty clear it included both parties choosing to do nothing.

Reach a compromise. The President has a responsibility to stand up to Congress’ inaction.
but they did take action and passed a number of different plans. trump turned them all down, one after first agreeing to it. i dont follow you here.

The Senate's plan was just yet another continuing resolution that didn't address immigration in any meaningful way.  The GOP House's plan included $5.7 billion for wall construction, which Trump would have passed.


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