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Re: Will Lebron's Lakers Even Make the Playoffs? (poll)
« Reply #75 on: February 22, 2019, 04:46:39 PM »

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Well, they're off to a GREAT start, so far...

If they mess around and make it to the Finals and WE are waiting for them?

I'd be afraid...VERY afraid..



I'm serious.

Until we can prove that Kyrie can step up against Rondo, LeBron and The Lakers I am DEAD serious about our chances against LA in a seven game series in June.

Rajon Rondo is messing around and fixing to become a modern-day Andrew Toney against us.

The Boston Strangler Part Deux.

Very bizarre post...

How bizarre?

LeBron James STILL has BOS's number - and it is magnified MORE in Purple and Gold.

Rajon Rondo almost beat us while he was in CHI, during the playoffs. IT4 struggled and he/CHI had us on the ropes until he got injured.

Rajon beat us while he was in DAL.

It is not out of the realm of the impossible to think that he could figure against us again - IF we meet in the post-season.

Unlikely? Of course.

But would ANY of us bet against Rajon Rondo AND LeBron James in a seven game series?
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Re: Will Lebron's Lakers Even Make the Playoffs? (poll)
« Reply #76 on: February 22, 2019, 06:00:14 PM »

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Well, they're off to a GREAT start, so far...

If they mess around and make it to the Finals and WE are waiting for them?

I'd be afraid...VERY afraid..



I'm serious.

Until we can prove that Kyrie can step up against Rondo, LeBron and The Lakers I am DEAD serious about our chances against LA in a seven game series in June.

Rajon Rondo is messing around and fixing to become a modern-day Andrew Toney against us.

The Boston Strangler Part Deux.

Very bizarre post...

How bizarre?

LeBron James STILL has BOS's number - and it is magnified MORE in Purple and Gold.

Rajon Rondo almost beat us while he was in CHI, during the playoffs. IT4 struggled and he/CHI had us on the ropes until he got injured.

Rajon beat us while he was in DAL.

It is not out of the realm of the impossible to think that he could figure against us again - IF we meet in the post-season.

Unlikely? Of course.

But would ANY of us bet against Rajon Rondo AND LeBron James in a seven game series?

Yes. If I got any kind of reasonable odds I would bet massively against them. They are really not a good team. There was a pretty fluky game with a couple of weird bounces that went their way... but nothing to have this kind of take over.

Re: Will Lebron's Lakers Even Make the Playoffs? (poll)
« Reply #77 on: February 22, 2019, 06:54:10 PM »

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Lebron has never lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and he has only missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons.

So with that in mind, what is better for Lebron's legacy, to miss the playoffs or to make the playoffs but get hammered by the Warriors in the 1st round?  In other words, is Lebron better off keeping his playoff streak alive or his 2nd round streak alive where his legacy is concerned?

I think in the grand scheme of things in judging his legacy, neither is going to move the needle.

Personally, I only think extreme winning/playoff success moves the needle, something LeBron isn't anywhere near.  We're talking Bill Russell 11 NBA championships in 13 years, 2 NCAA championships in 3 years, levels of success.  Obviously this has helped Russell's legacy.

But for everybody else, as long as you have some championship pedigree, it doesn't really matter.

Does anybody think less of Kobe because he missed the playoffs in '05 and got eliminated in the first round in '06 and '07?  Or Duncan who got eliminated in the first round in '09, '11, '15.  Magic and Kareem both lost in the first round in '81.  Kareem didn't make the playoffs in '75 (missed a few games and team was 3-14 without him, 35-30 with him) or '76 (healthy), and had a first round knockout in '78.  Bird, still All-NBA 2nd team level, got knocked out in the first round in '90. Hakeem missed the playoffs in '91, and had many first round knockouts ('85, '88, '89, '90, '91, '98, '99, '02).  And some of these are guys who get some argument for greatest all time, but all are at least universally considered top-3, top-5, top-10, top-15 all time.

Either way, sure the talking heads might bring it up the next day after it happens, but afterwards it won't really be considered when it comes to legacy.
yeah but you are splitting hairs between players at James' level.  Personally I think the fact that he has never lost in the 1st round is a pretty big separator for him when splitting those hairs

But anybody who thinks winning fewer games is better than winning more games is being silly, I think.
regular season wins do nothing from a historical perspective

You do understand that regular season wins is what determines a playoff berth, yes?
sure but most of the greats have missed the playoffs

Re: Will Lebron's Lakers Even Make the Playoffs? (poll)
« Reply #78 on: February 22, 2019, 07:20:46 PM »

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Well, they're off to a GREAT start, so far...

If they mess around and make it to the Finals and WE are waiting for them?

I'd be afraid...VERY afraid..



I'm serious.

Until we can prove that Kyrie can step up against Rondo, LeBron and The Lakers I am DEAD serious about our chances against LA in a seven game series in June.

Rajon Rondo is messing around and fixing to become a modern-day Andrew Toney against us.

The Boston Strangler Part Deux.

Very bizarre post...

How bizarre?

LeBron James STILL has BOS's number - and it is magnified MORE in Purple and Gold.

Rajon Rondo almost beat us while he was in CHI, during the playoffs. IT4 struggled and he/CHI had us on the ropes until he got injured.

Rajon beat us while he was in DAL.

It is not out of the realm of the impossible to think that he could figure against us again - IF we meet in the post-season.

Unlikely? Of course.

But would ANY of us bet against Rajon Rondo AND LeBron James in a seven game series?
I think almost all of us would bet against the Lakers in a playoff series, lol

Re: Will Lebron's Lakers Even Make the Playoffs? (poll)
« Reply #79 on: February 23, 2019, 10:52:19 AM »

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Lebron has never lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and he has only missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons.

So with that in mind, what is better for Lebron's legacy, to miss the playoffs or to make the playoffs but get hammered by the Warriors in the 1st round?  In other words, is Lebron better off keeping his playoff streak alive or his 2nd round streak alive where his legacy is concerned?

I think in the grand scheme of things in judging his legacy, neither is going to move the needle.

Personally, I only think extreme winning/playoff success moves the needle, something LeBron isn't anywhere near.  We're talking Bill Russell 11 NBA championships in 13 years, 2 NCAA championships in 3 years, levels of success.  Obviously this has helped Russell's legacy.

But for everybody else, as long as you have some championship pedigree, it doesn't really matter.

Does anybody think less of Kobe because he missed the playoffs in '05 and got eliminated in the first round in '06 and '07?  Or Duncan who got eliminated in the first round in '09, '11, '15.  Magic and Kareem both lost in the first round in '81.  Kareem didn't make the playoffs in '75 (missed a few games and team was 3-14 without him, 35-30 with him) or '76 (healthy), and had a first round knockout in '78.  Bird, still All-NBA 2nd team level, got knocked out in the first round in '90. Hakeem missed the playoffs in '91, and had many first round knockouts ('85, '88, '89, '90, '91, '98, '99, '02).  And some of these are guys who get some argument for greatest all time, but all are at least universally considered top-3, top-5, top-10, top-15 all time.

Either way, sure the talking heads might bring it up the next day after it happens, but afterwards it won't really be considered when it comes to legacy.
yeah but you are splitting hairs between players at James' level.  Personally I think the fact that he has never lost in the 1st round is a pretty big separator for him when splitting those hairs

But anybody who thinks winning fewer games is better than winning more games is being silly, I think.
regular season wins do nothing from a historical perspective

You do understand that regular season wins is what determines a playoff berth, yes?
sure but most of the greats have missed the playoffs

I honestly have no idea what you're getting at.
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Re: Will Lebron's Lakers Even Make the Playoffs? (poll)
« Reply #80 on: February 23, 2019, 11:01:54 AM »

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How bizarre?

LeBron James STILL has BOS's number - and it is magnified MORE in Purple and Gold.

Rajon Rondo almost beat us while he was in CHI, during the playoffs. IT4 struggled and he/CHI had us on the ropes until he got injured.

Rajon beat us while he was in DAL.

It is not out of the realm of the impossible to think that he could figure against us again - IF we meet in the post-season.

Unlikely? Of course.

But would ANY of us bet against Rajon Rondo AND LeBron James in a seven game series?

I would, LeBron did not beat us last time, his team was hot.   His days are numbered and it is very debatable that he is the best player in the league anymore.   Old age is starting to show cracks in his game

Re: Will Lebron's Lakers Even Make the Playoffs? (poll)
« Reply #81 on: February 23, 2019, 11:06:29 AM »

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Lebron has never lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and he has only missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons.

So with that in mind, what is better for Lebron's legacy, to miss the playoffs or to make the playoffs but get hammered by the Warriors in the 1st round?  In other words, is Lebron better off keeping his playoff streak alive or his 2nd round streak alive where his legacy is concerned?

I think in the grand scheme of things in judging his legacy, neither is going to move the needle.

Personally, I only think extreme winning/playoff success moves the needle, something LeBron isn't anywhere near.  We're talking Bill Russell 11 NBA championships in 13 years, 2 NCAA championships in 3 years, levels of success.  Obviously this has helped Russell's legacy.

But for everybody else, as long as you have some championship pedigree, it doesn't really matter.

Does anybody think less of Kobe because he missed the playoffs in '05 and got eliminated in the first round in '06 and '07?  Or Duncan who got eliminated in the first round in '09, '11, '15.  Magic and Kareem both lost in the first round in '81.  Kareem didn't make the playoffs in '75 (missed a few games and team was 3-14 without him, 35-30 with him) or '76 (healthy), and had a first round knockout in '78.  Bird, still All-NBA 2nd team level, got knocked out in the first round in '90. Hakeem missed the playoffs in '91, and had many first round knockouts ('85, '88, '89, '90, '91, '98, '99, '02).  And some of these are guys who get some argument for greatest all time, but all are at least universally considered top-3, top-5, top-10, top-15 all time.

Either way, sure the talking heads might bring it up the next day after it happens, but afterwards it won't really be considered when it comes to legacy.
yeah but you are splitting hairs between players at James' level.  Personally I think the fact that he has never lost in the 1st round is a pretty big separator for him when splitting those hairs

But anybody who thinks winning fewer games is better than winning more games is being silly, I think.
regular season wins do nothing from a historical perspective

You do understand that regular season wins is what determines a playoff berth, yes?
sure but most of the greats have missed the playoffs

I honestly have no idea what you're getting at.
Rofl. Weird hill to die on

Re: Will Lebron's Lakers Even Make the Playoffs? (poll)
« Reply #82 on: February 26, 2019, 02:50:03 PM »

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Lebron has never lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and he has only missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons.

So with that in mind, what is better for Lebron's legacy, to miss the playoffs or to make the playoffs but get hammered by the Warriors in the 1st round?  In other words, is Lebron better off keeping his playoff streak alive or his 2nd round streak alive where his legacy is concerned?

I think in the grand scheme of things in judging his legacy, neither is going to move the needle.

Personally, I only think extreme winning/playoff success moves the needle, something LeBron isn't anywhere near.  We're talking Bill Russell 11 NBA championships in 13 years, 2 NCAA championships in 3 years, levels of success.  Obviously this has helped Russell's legacy.

But for everybody else, as long as you have some championship pedigree, it doesn't really matter.

Does anybody think less of Kobe because he missed the playoffs in '05 and got eliminated in the first round in '06 and '07?  Or Duncan who got eliminated in the first round in '09, '11, '15.  Magic and Kareem both lost in the first round in '81.  Kareem didn't make the playoffs in '75 (missed a few games and team was 3-14 without him, 35-30 with him) or '76 (healthy), and had a first round knockout in '78.  Bird, still All-NBA 2nd team level, got knocked out in the first round in '90. Hakeem missed the playoffs in '91, and had many first round knockouts ('85, '88, '89, '90, '91, '98, '99, '02).  And some of these are guys who get some argument for greatest all time, but all are at least universally considered top-3, top-5, top-10, top-15 all time.

Either way, sure the talking heads might bring it up the next day after it happens, but afterwards it won't really be considered when it comes to legacy.
yeah but you are splitting hairs between players at James' level.  Personally I think the fact that he has never lost in the 1st round is a pretty big separator for him when splitting those hairs

But anybody who thinks winning fewer games is better than winning more games is being silly, I think.
regular season wins do nothing from a historical perspective

You do understand that regular season wins is what determines a playoff berth, yes?
sure but most of the greats have missed the playoffs

I honestly have no idea what you're getting at.
Rofl. Weird hill to die on

Seriously, this isn't shade, I don't even understand what hill he's on.
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Re: Will Lebron's Lakers Even Make the Playoffs? (poll)
« Reply #83 on: February 26, 2019, 02:55:28 PM »

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Lebron has never lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and he has only missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons.

So with that in mind, what is better for Lebron's legacy, to miss the playoffs or to make the playoffs but get hammered by the Warriors in the 1st round?  In other words, is Lebron better off keeping his playoff streak alive or his 2nd round streak alive where his legacy is concerned?

I think in the grand scheme of things in judging his legacy, neither is going to move the needle.

Personally, I only think extreme winning/playoff success moves the needle, something LeBron isn't anywhere near.  We're talking Bill Russell 11 NBA championships in 13 years, 2 NCAA championships in 3 years, levels of success.  Obviously this has helped Russell's legacy.

But for everybody else, as long as you have some championship pedigree, it doesn't really matter.

Does anybody think less of Kobe because he missed the playoffs in '05 and got eliminated in the first round in '06 and '07?  Or Duncan who got eliminated in the first round in '09, '11, '15.  Magic and Kareem both lost in the first round in '81.  Kareem didn't make the playoffs in '75 (missed a few games and team was 3-14 without him, 35-30 with him) or '76 (healthy), and had a first round knockout in '78.  Bird, still All-NBA 2nd team level, got knocked out in the first round in '90. Hakeem missed the playoffs in '91, and had many first round knockouts ('85, '88, '89, '90, '91, '98, '99, '02).  And some of these are guys who get some argument for greatest all time, but all are at least universally considered top-3, top-5, top-10, top-15 all time.

Either way, sure the talking heads might bring it up the next day after it happens, but afterwards it won't really be considered when it comes to legacy.
yeah but you are splitting hairs between players at James' level.  Personally I think the fact that he has never lost in the 1st round is a pretty big separator for him when splitting those hairs

But anybody who thinks winning fewer games is better than winning more games is being silly, I think.
regular season wins do nothing from a historical perspective

You do understand that regular season wins is what determines a playoff berth, yes?
sure but most of the greats have missed the playoffs

George Mikan - Minneapolis Lakers (7 seasons: 1949-1954, 1956)
Jim Polard - Minneapolis Lakers (7 seasons: 1949-1955)
Frank Ramsey - Boston Celtics (9 seasons: 1955, 1957-1964)
Tommy Heinsohn - Boston Celtics (9 seasons: 1957-1965)
Bill Russell - Boston Celtics (13 seasons: 1957-1969)
Sam Jones - Boston Celtics (12 seasons: 1958-1969)
KC Jones - Boston Celtics (9 seasons: 1959-1967)
Wilt Chamberlain - Philadelphia/San Fransisco Warriors, Philadelphia 76ers, Los Angeles Lakers (13 seasons: 1960-1973)
Elgin Baylor - Minneapolis/Los Angeles Lakers (14 seasons: 1959-1972)
Jerry West - Los Angeles Lakers (14 seasons: 1961-1974)
Julius Erving - Philadelphia 76ers (11 seasons in  NBA: 1977-1987)
Larry Bird - Boston Celtics (13 seasons: 1980-1992)
Magic Johnson - Los Angeles Lakers (13 seasons: 1980-1991, 1996)
Sidney Moncrief - Milwaukee Bucks, Atlanta Hawks (11 seasons: 1980-1989, 1991)
Kevin McHale  - Boston Celtics (13 seasons: 1981-1993)
Clyde Drexler - Portland Trailblazers, Houston Rockets (15 seasons: 1984-1998)
Reggie Lewis - Boston Celtics (6 seasons: 1988-1993)
John Stockton - Utah Jazz (19 seasons: 1985-2003)
Karl Malone - Utah Jazz, Los Angeles Lakers (19 seasons: 1986-2004)
Mario Elie - Golden State Warriors, Portland TrailBlazers, Houston Rockets, San Antonio Spurs, Phoenix Suns (11 seasons: 1991-2001)
Robert Horry - Houston Rockets, Los Angeles Lakers, San Antonio Spurs (16 seasons: 1993-2008)
Tim Duncan - San Antonio Spurs (19 seasons: 1997-2016)
Glen Davis - Boston Celtics, Orlando Magic, Los Angeles Clippers (9 seasons: 2008-2015)

Re: Will Lebron's Lakers Even Make the Playoffs? (poll)
« Reply #84 on: February 26, 2019, 03:08:43 PM »

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How bizarre?

LeBron James STILL has BOS's number - and it is magnified MORE in Purple and Gold.

Rajon Rondo almost beat us while he was in CHI, during the playoffs. IT4 struggled and he/CHI had us on the ropes until he got injured.

Rajon beat us while he was in DAL.

It is not out of the realm of the impossible to think that he could figure against us again - IF we meet in the post-season.

Unlikely? Of course.

But would ANY of us bet against Rajon Rondo AND LeBron James in a seven game series?

I would, LeBron did not beat us last time, his team was hot.   His days are numbered and it is very debatable that he is the best player in the league anymore.   Old age is starting to show cracks in his game

It is not debatable at all, he clearly isn't. He is completely a one way player at this point of the year. Giannis and Leonard are mopping the floor with him for that title right now. Harden is a one way player too, but lapping him offensively. Does Lebron even make all-first team this year?

First team all nba is probably combination of Durant/Giannis/Leonard at forwards Embid at center. Curry/Harden at guards.

Re: Will Lebron's Lakers Even Make the Playoffs? (poll)
« Reply #85 on: February 26, 2019, 03:09:29 PM »

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Lebron has never lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and he has only missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons.

So with that in mind, what is better for Lebron's legacy, to miss the playoffs or to make the playoffs but get hammered by the Warriors in the 1st round?  In other words, is Lebron better off keeping his playoff streak alive or his 2nd round streak alive where his legacy is concerned?

I think in the grand scheme of things in judging his legacy, neither is going to move the needle.

Personally, I only think extreme winning/playoff success moves the needle, something LeBron isn't anywhere near.  We're talking Bill Russell 11 NBA championships in 13 years, 2 NCAA championships in 3 years, levels of success.  Obviously this has helped Russell's legacy.

But for everybody else, as long as you have some championship pedigree, it doesn't really matter.

Does anybody think less of Kobe because he missed the playoffs in '05 and got eliminated in the first round in '06 and '07?  Or Duncan who got eliminated in the first round in '09, '11, '15.  Magic and Kareem both lost in the first round in '81.  Kareem didn't make the playoffs in '75 (missed a few games and team was 3-14 without him, 35-30 with him) or '76 (healthy), and had a first round knockout in '78.  Bird, still All-NBA 2nd team level, got knocked out in the first round in '90. Hakeem missed the playoffs in '91, and had many first round knockouts ('85, '88, '89, '90, '91, '98, '99, '02).  And some of these are guys who get some argument for greatest all time, but all are at least universally considered top-3, top-5, top-10, top-15 all time.

Either way, sure the talking heads might bring it up the next day after it happens, but afterwards it won't really be considered when it comes to legacy.
yeah but you are splitting hairs between players at James' level.  Personally I think the fact that he has never lost in the 1st round is a pretty big separator for him when splitting those hairs

But anybody who thinks winning fewer games is better than winning more games is being silly, I think.
regular season wins do nothing from a historical perspective

You do understand that regular season wins is what determines a playoff berth, yes?
sure but most of the greats have missed the playoffs

George Mikan - Minneapolis Lakers (7 seasons: 1949-1954, 1956)
Jim Polard - Minneapolis Lakers (7 seasons: 1949-1955)
Frank Ramsey - Boston Celtics (9 seasons: 1955, 1957-1964)
Tommy Heinsohn - Boston Celtics (9 seasons: 1957-1965)
Bill Russell - Boston Celtics (13 seasons: 1957-1969)
Sam Jones - Boston Celtics (12 seasons: 1958-1969)
KC Jones - Boston Celtics (9 seasons: 1959-1967)
Wilt Chamberlain - Philadelphia/San Fransisco Warriors, Philadelphia 76ers, Los Angeles Lakers (13 seasons: 1960-1973)
Elgin Baylor - Minneapolis/Los Angeles Lakers (14 seasons: 1959-1972)
Jerry West - Los Angeles Lakers (14 seasons: 1961-1974)
Julius Erving - Philadelphia 76ers (11 seasons in  NBA: 1977-1987)
Larry Bird - Boston Celtics (13 seasons: 1980-1992)
Magic Johnson - Los Angeles Lakers (13 seasons: 1980-1991, 1996)
Sidney Moncrief - Milwaukee Bucks, Atlanta Hawks (11 seasons: 1980-1989, 1991)
Kevin McHale  - Boston Celtics (13 seasons: 1981-1993)
Clyde Drexler - Portland Trailblazers, Houston Rockets (15 seasons: 1984-1998)
Reggie Lewis - Boston Celtics (6 seasons: 1988-1993)
John Stockton - Utah Jazz (19 seasons: 1985-2003)
Karl Malone - Utah Jazz, Los Angeles Lakers (19 seasons: 1986-2004)
Mario Elie - Golden State Warriors, Portland TrailBlazers, Houston Rockets, San Antonio Spurs, Phoenix Suns (11 seasons: 1991-2001)
Robert Horry - Houston Rockets, Los Angeles Lakers, San Antonio Spurs (16 seasons: 1993-2008)
Tim Duncan - San Antonio Spurs (19 seasons: 1997-2016)
Glen Davis - Boston Celtics, Orlando Magic, Los Angeles Clippers (9 seasons: 2008-2015)

This is the craziest of the streaks.. he made playoffs every year...

Re: Will Lebron's Lakers Even Make the Playoffs? (poll)
« Reply #86 on: February 26, 2019, 03:55:41 PM »

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How bizarre?

LeBron James STILL has BOS's number - and it is magnified MORE in Purple and Gold.

Rajon Rondo almost beat us while he was in CHI, during the playoffs. IT4 struggled and he/CHI had us on the ropes until he got injured.

Rajon beat us while he was in DAL.

It is not out of the realm of the impossible to think that he could figure against us again - IF we meet in the post-season.

Unlikely? Of course.

But would ANY of us bet against Rajon Rondo AND LeBron James in a seven game series?

I would, LeBron did not beat us last time, his team was hot.   His days are numbered and it is very debatable that he is the best player in the league anymore.   Old age is starting to show cracks in his game

It is not debatable at all, he clearly isn't. He is completely a one way player at this point of the year. Giannis and Leonard are mopping the floor with him for that title right now. Harden is a one way player too, but lapping him offensively.

LeBron wasn't the best player in the regular season last year either. Or the year before. It's the playoffs that have let him maintain that status. Of course, decent shot he doesn't get to show anything there either.


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Does Lebron even make all-first team this year?

First team all nba is probably combination of Durant/Giannis/Leonard at forwards Embid at center. Curry/Harden at guards.

Nope. At least, if he did it'd be on pure reputation and not performance.

Re: Will Lebron's Lakers Even Make the Playoffs? (poll)
« Reply #87 on: February 26, 2019, 03:59:29 PM »

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How bizarre?

LeBron James STILL has BOS's number - and it is magnified MORE in Purple and Gold.

Rajon Rondo almost beat us while he was in CHI, during the playoffs. IT4 struggled and he/CHI had us on the ropes until he got injured.

Rajon beat us while he was in DAL.

It is not out of the realm of the impossible to think that he could figure against us again - IF we meet in the post-season.

Unlikely? Of course.

But would ANY of us bet against Rajon Rondo AND LeBron James in a seven game series?

I would, LeBron did not beat us last time, his team was hot.   His days are numbered and it is very debatable that he is the best player in the league anymore.   Old age is starting to show cracks in his game

yup....all his energy goes to putting up the offensive stats to keep up the image . He does  of lot of nothing during a game , just standing around watching , especially on defensive end .  He still complains and wastes time arguing with the refs , which now seems to be just to rest and walk dow court , while his man is dunking or getting an easy shot.  What L A fans don't want to hear or believe , he ll be worse the next two years , not better.

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« Reply #88 on: February 26, 2019, 04:06:46 PM »

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Lebron has never lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and he has only missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons.

So with that in mind, what is better for Lebron's legacy, to miss the playoffs or to make the playoffs but get hammered by the Warriors in the 1st round?  In other words, is Lebron better off keeping his playoff streak alive or his 2nd round streak alive where his legacy is concerned?

I think in the grand scheme of things in judging his legacy, neither is going to move the needle.

Personally, I only think extreme winning/playoff success moves the needle, something LeBron isn't anywhere near.  We're talking Bill Russell 11 NBA championships in 13 years, 2 NCAA championships in 3 years, levels of success.  Obviously this has helped Russell's legacy.

But for everybody else, as long as you have some championship pedigree, it doesn't really matter.

Does anybody think less of Kobe because he missed the playoffs in '05 and got eliminated in the first round in '06 and '07?  Or Duncan who got eliminated in the first round in '09, '11, '15.  Magic and Kareem both lost in the first round in '81.  Kareem didn't make the playoffs in '75 (missed a few games and team was 3-14 without him, 35-30 with him) or '76 (healthy), and had a first round knockout in '78.  Bird, still All-NBA 2nd team level, got knocked out in the first round in '90. Hakeem missed the playoffs in '91, and had many first round knockouts ('85, '88, '89, '90, '91, '98, '99, '02).  And some of these are guys who get some argument for greatest all time, but all are at least universally considered top-3, top-5, top-10, top-15 all time.

Either way, sure the talking heads might bring it up the next day after it happens, but afterwards it won't really be considered when it comes to legacy.
yeah but you are splitting hairs between players at James' level.  Personally I think the fact that he has never lost in the 1st round is a pretty big separator for him when splitting those hairs

But anybody who thinks winning fewer games is better than winning more games is being silly, I think.
regular season wins do nothing from a historical perspective

You do understand that regular season wins is what determines a playoff berth, yes?
sure but most of the greats have missed the playoffs

George Mikan - Minneapolis Lakers (7 seasons: 1949-1954, 1956)
Jim Polard - Minneapolis Lakers (7 seasons: 1949-1955)
Frank Ramsey - Boston Celtics (9 seasons: 1955, 1957-1964)
Tommy Heinsohn - Boston Celtics (9 seasons: 1957-1965)
Bill Russell - Boston Celtics (13 seasons: 1957-1969)
Sam Jones - Boston Celtics (12 seasons: 1958-1969)
KC Jones - Boston Celtics (9 seasons: 1959-1967)
Wilt Chamberlain - Philadelphia/San Fransisco Warriors, Philadelphia 76ers, Los Angeles Lakers (13 seasons: 1960-1973)
Elgin Baylor - Minneapolis/Los Angeles Lakers (14 seasons: 1959-1972)
Jerry West - Los Angeles Lakers (14 seasons: 1961-1974)
Julius Erving - Philadelphia 76ers (11 seasons in  NBA: 1977-1987)
Larry Bird - Boston Celtics (13 seasons: 1980-1992)
Magic Johnson - Los Angeles Lakers (13 seasons: 1980-1991, 1996)
Sidney Moncrief - Milwaukee Bucks, Atlanta Hawks (11 seasons: 1980-1989, 1991)
Kevin McHale  - Boston Celtics (13 seasons: 1981-1993)
Clyde Drexler - Portland Trailblazers, Houston Rockets (15 seasons: 1984-1998)
Reggie Lewis - Boston Celtics (6 seasons: 1988-1993)
John Stockton - Utah Jazz (19 seasons: 1985-2003)
Karl Malone - Utah Jazz, Los Angeles Lakers (19 seasons: 1986-2004)
Mario Elie - Golden State Warriors, Portland TrailBlazers, Houston Rockets, San Antonio Spurs, Phoenix Suns (11 seasons: 1991-2001)
Robert Horry - Houston Rockets, Los Angeles Lakers, San Antonio Spurs (16 seasons: 1993-2008)
Tim Duncan - San Antonio Spurs (19 seasons: 1997-2016)
Glen Davis - Boston Celtics, Orlando Magic, Los Angeles Clippers (9 seasons: 2008-2015)

This is the craziest of the streaks.. he made playoffs every year...
More crazy is Malone and Stockton having the same streak and yet never won a title.

Re: Will Lebron's Lakers Even Make the Playoffs? (poll)
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Lebron has never lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and he has only missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons.

So with that in mind, what is better for Lebron's legacy, to miss the playoffs or to make the playoffs but get hammered by the Warriors in the 1st round?  In other words, is Lebron better off keeping his playoff streak alive or his 2nd round streak alive where his legacy is concerned?

I think in the grand scheme of things in judging his legacy, neither is going to move the needle.

Personally, I only think extreme winning/playoff success moves the needle, something LeBron isn't anywhere near.  We're talking Bill Russell 11 NBA championships in 13 years, 2 NCAA championships in 3 years, levels of success.  Obviously this has helped Russell's legacy.

But for everybody else, as long as you have some championship pedigree, it doesn't really matter.

Does anybody think less of Kobe because he missed the playoffs in '05 and got eliminated in the first round in '06 and '07?  Or Duncan who got eliminated in the first round in '09, '11, '15.  Magic and Kareem both lost in the first round in '81.  Kareem didn't make the playoffs in '75 (missed a few games and team was 3-14 without him, 35-30 with him) or '76 (healthy), and had a first round knockout in '78.  Bird, still All-NBA 2nd team level, got knocked out in the first round in '90. Hakeem missed the playoffs in '91, and had many first round knockouts ('85, '88, '89, '90, '91, '98, '99, '02).  And some of these are guys who get some argument for greatest all time, but all are at least universally considered top-3, top-5, top-10, top-15 all time.

Either way, sure the talking heads might bring it up the next day after it happens, but afterwards it won't really be considered when it comes to legacy.
yeah but you are splitting hairs between players at James' level.  Personally I think the fact that he has never lost in the 1st round is a pretty big separator for him when splitting those hairs

But anybody who thinks winning fewer games is better than winning more games is being silly, I think.
regular season wins do nothing from a historical perspective

You do understand that regular season wins is what determines a playoff berth, yes?
sure but most of the greats have missed the playoffs

George Mikan - Minneapolis Lakers (7 seasons: 1949-1954, 1956)
Jim Polard - Minneapolis Lakers (7 seasons: 1949-1955)
Frank Ramsey - Boston Celtics (9 seasons: 1955, 1957-1964)
Tommy Heinsohn - Boston Celtics (9 seasons: 1957-1965)
Bill Russell - Boston Celtics (13 seasons: 1957-1969)
Sam Jones - Boston Celtics (12 seasons: 1958-1969)
KC Jones - Boston Celtics (9 seasons: 1959-1967)
Wilt Chamberlain - Philadelphia/San Fransisco Warriors, Philadelphia 76ers, Los Angeles Lakers (13 seasons: 1960-1973)
Elgin Baylor - Minneapolis/Los Angeles Lakers (14 seasons: 1959-1972)
Jerry West - Los Angeles Lakers (14 seasons: 1961-1974)
Julius Erving - Philadelphia 76ers (11 seasons in  NBA: 1977-1987)
Larry Bird - Boston Celtics (13 seasons: 1980-1992)
Magic Johnson - Los Angeles Lakers (13 seasons: 1980-1991, 1996)
Sidney Moncrief - Milwaukee Bucks, Atlanta Hawks (11 seasons: 1980-1989, 1991)
Kevin McHale  - Boston Celtics (13 seasons: 1981-1993)
Clyde Drexler - Portland Trailblazers, Houston Rockets (15 seasons: 1984-1998)
Reggie Lewis - Boston Celtics (6 seasons: 1988-1993)
John Stockton - Utah Jazz (19 seasons: 1985-2003)
Karl Malone - Utah Jazz, Los Angeles Lakers (19 seasons: 1986-2004)
Mario Elie - Golden State Warriors, Portland TrailBlazers, Houston Rockets, San Antonio Spurs, Phoenix Suns (11 seasons: 1991-2001)
Robert Horry - Houston Rockets, Los Angeles Lakers, San Antonio Spurs (16 seasons: 1993-2008)
Tim Duncan - San Antonio Spurs (19 seasons: 1997-2016)
Glen Davis - Boston Celtics, Orlando Magic, Los Angeles Clippers (9 seasons: 2008-2015)

This is the craziest of the streaks.. he made playoffs every year...
More crazy is Malone and Stockton having the same streak and yet never won a title.
Average Al is getting there as well. Sadly still no title for him either

 

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