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Re: Is Elizabeth Warren an American Indian?
« Reply #135 on: October 19, 2018, 01:11:44 PM »

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Hey, my kids are as white as you get but are 50% Puertorican. They identify as both Italian-American and Puertorican. You can be sure I told them to register on the SAT as Hispanic. They got letters from minority clubs on their campuses to join. They did and said a large amount of people were white but had some part of them that was minority. And the clubs didn't care because they knew, your skin color does not define your ethnicity.

Warren was told since a child she was part Native American. She is about my age and back then they did ask your ethnicity. If she identified as part NA, it was her option to do so. It benefited her. It benefits my son's to identify themselves as minority when applying to college and jobs. Don't see anything wrong with what she did.

It wasn't until recently that she was actually called into question regarding her ethnicity. And you can rest assure that where she worked loved having a white skinned person who could be called a minority and took advantage of that. Harvard definitely did.

I just see a huge difference between 50% and 1/64th to 1,024th.
The percentage really doesn't matter to colleges and jobs. As I said, if a college or job can list you as a minority even though you are white, they aren't going to have any problem with that.

I'm not sure I agree.  If I run a DNA test and it shows I'm 1/1000th African, I think a college might have some concerns if I listed myself as African-American. 

And if they don't, doesn't that make "race" and "diversity" meaningless?
But Roy, she only just found out what percentage of NA she is and even there, it's not a certainty what percentage it is. She was told as a child she was part Native American on her mother's side(?). What was she supposed to do as an 18 year old in the 80's, ask for a DNA test that didn't exist back then to try to prove her parents and grandparents liars? And if it benefited her to identify as minority because she was told she was part minority, was she not supposed to take advantage of that? Harvard took advantage of it.

She should listen to Ronald Reagan.  Trust, but verify. 

The last thing we should want in a politician is "This might not be true, but it's in my own personal interests, so I'm just going to run with it."

Is this really what you believe in?   Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election, again?

Or is THIS (Warren's ethnicity on forms filled out when she was young) somehow the "Big Lie" that pushes you over the edge to demand 100% purity of truth from your elected officials?

Itís always the ideal.  I mean, who did you vote for again?  Are you proud of that vote, or would you have preferred better choices?

Well, it's clearly NOT your ideal.  Because if it was the "last thing" for you, then you would not have voted for the candidate who was and is a serial liar, with an incredibly deep and well documented list of lies on his resume'.

Has Hillary lied as well?  Yep.   Her politifact "by ruling false" page has 2 pages of falsehoods documented on it. 

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/statements/byruling/false/

But that's like comparing a basket to a truckload.   Trump's has 11 pages and growing every day.

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

FWIW, Warren's documented falsehood page, notably is currently blank.

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/elizabeth-warren/statements/byruling/false/

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Re: Is Elizabeth Warren an American Indian?
« Reply #136 on: October 19, 2018, 01:50:05 PM »

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Hey, my kids are as white as you get but are 50% Puertorican. They identify as both Italian-American and Puertorican. You can be sure I told them to register on the SAT as Hispanic. They got letters from minority clubs on their campuses to join. They did and said a large amount of people were white but had some part of them that was minority. And the clubs didn't care because they knew, your skin color does not define your ethnicity.

Warren was told since a child she was part Native American. She is about my age and back then they did ask your ethnicity. If she identified as part NA, it was her option to do so. It benefited her. It benefits my son's to identify themselves as minority when applying to college and jobs. Don't see anything wrong with what she did.

It wasn't until recently that she was actually called into question regarding her ethnicity. And you can rest assure that where she worked loved having a white skinned person who could be called a minority and took advantage of that. Harvard definitely did.

I just see a huge difference between 50% and 1/64th to 1,024th.
The percentage really doesn't matter to colleges and jobs. As I said, if a college or job can list you as a minority even though you are white, they aren't going to have any problem with that.

I'm not sure I agree.  If I run a DNA test and it shows I'm 1/1000th African, I think a college might have some concerns if I listed myself as African-American. 

And if they don't, doesn't that make "race" and "diversity" meaningless?
But Roy, she only just found out what percentage of NA she is and even there, it's not a certainty what percentage it is. She was told as a child she was part Native American on her mother's side(?). What was she supposed to do as an 18 year old in the 80's, ask for a DNA test that didn't exist back then to try to prove her parents and grandparents liars? And if it benefited her to identify as minority because she was told she was part minority, was she not supposed to take advantage of that? Harvard took advantage of it.

She should listen to Ronald Reagan.  Trust, but verify. 

The last thing we should want in a politician is "This might not be true, but it's in my own personal interests, so I'm just going to run with it."

Is this really what you believe in?   Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election, again?

Or is THIS (Warren's ethnicity on forms filled out when she was young) somehow the "Big Lie" that pushes you over the edge to demand 100% purity of truth from your elected officials?

Itís always the ideal.  I mean, who did you vote for again?  Are you proud of that vote, or would you have preferred better choices?

Well, it's clearly NOT your ideal.  Because if it was the "last thing" for you, then you would not have voted for the candidate who was and is a serial liar, with an incredibly deep and well documented list of lies on his resume'.

Has Hillary lied as well?  Yep.   Her politifact "by ruling false" page has 2 pages of falsehoods documented on it. 

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/statements/byruling/false/

But that's like comparing a basket to a truckload.   Trump's has 11 pages and growing every day.

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

FWIW, Warren's documented falsehood page, notably is currently blank.

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/elizabeth-warren/statements/byruling/false/

At this point, you're just trolling me.

As I've said, I found both choices unacceptable.  The ideal, as I've said ad naseum, is better choices.  If you're happy with the choice of Hillary, I'm glad for you, but I don't find her to be any more acceptable than Trump.

Now, get back on topic please.

« Last Edit: October 19, 2018, 05:42:47 PM by nickagneta »


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Re: Is Elizabeth Warren an American Indian?
« Reply #137 on: October 19, 2018, 02:11:34 PM »

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Now she probably shouldn't have been claiming minority status given a great great grandmother is fairly removed, but if she only ever said her great great grandmother was Native American and Harvard made a bigger deal about it then they should have, that is also different.

I agree. If the situation was that Warren was shooting the breeze with administrators and her heritage had come up in passing, and Harvard had said ďThatís really interesting. Do you mind if we publicize this?Ē, it would be a non-issue to me.

But, thatís not what happened.
You can't say that is not what happened, especially since there are statements from plenty of different sources, which do in fact say that is in fact what happened.

Re: Is Elizabeth Warren an American Indian?
« Reply #138 on: October 19, 2018, 02:18:01 PM »

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Now she probably shouldn't have been claiming minority status given a great great grandmother is fairly removed, but if she only ever said her great great grandmother was Native American and Harvard made a bigger deal about it then they should have, that is also different.

I agree. If the situation was that Warren was shooting the breeze with administrators and her heritage had come up in passing, and Harvard had said ďThatís really interesting. Do you mind if we publicize this?Ē, it would be a non-issue to me.

But, thatís not what happened.
You can't say that is not what happened, especially since there are statements from plenty of different sources, which do in fact say that is in fact what happened.

Can you link to those sources?

From what I've seen, she purposefully self-identified as a "woman of color", etc., starting at Penn and then again at Harvard.


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Re: Is Elizabeth Warren an American Indian?
« Reply #139 on: October 19, 2018, 02:57:12 PM »

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Hey, my kids are as white as you get but are 50% Puertorican. They identify as both Italian-American and Puertorican. You can be sure I told them to register on the SAT as Hispanic. They got letters from minority clubs on their campuses to join. They did and said a large amount of people were white but had some part of them that was minority. And the clubs didn't care because they knew, your skin color does not define your ethnicity.

Warren was told since a child she was part Native American. She is about my age and back then they did ask your ethnicity. If she identified as part NA, it was her option to do so. It benefited her. It benefits my son's to identify themselves as minority when applying to college and jobs. Don't see anything wrong with what she did.

It wasn't until recently that she was actually called into question regarding her ethnicity. And you can rest assure that where she worked loved having a white skinned person who could be called a minority and took advantage of that. Harvard definitely did.

I just see a huge difference between 50% and 1/64th to 1,024th.
The percentage really doesn't matter to colleges and jobs. As I said, if a college or job can list you as a minority even though you are white, they aren't going to have any problem with that.

I'm not sure I agree.  If I run a DNA test and it shows I'm 1/1000th African, I think a college might have some concerns if I listed myself as African-American. 

And if they don't, doesn't that make "race" and "diversity" meaningless?
But Roy, she only just found out what percentage of NA she is and even there, it's not a certainty what percentage it is. She was told as a child she was part Native American on her mother's side(?). What was she supposed to do as an 18 year old in the 80's, ask for a DNA test that didn't exist back then to try to prove her parents and grandparents liars? And if it benefited her to identify as minority because she was told she was part minority, was she not supposed to take advantage of that? Harvard took advantage of it.

She should listen to Ronald Reagan.  Trust, but verify. 

The last thing we should want in a politician is "This might not be true, but it's in my own personal interests, so I'm just going to run with it."

Is this really what you believe in?   Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election, again?

Or is THIS (Warren's ethnicity on forms filled out when she was young) somehow the "Big Lie" that pushes you over the edge to demand 100% purity of truth from your elected officials?

Itís always the ideal.  I mean, who did you vote for again?  Are you proud of that vote, or would you have preferred better choices?

Well, it's clearly NOT your ideal.  Because if it was the "last thing" for you, then you would not have voted for the candidate who was and is a serial liar, with an incredibly deep and well documented list of lies on his resume'.

Has Hillary lied as well?  Yep.   Her politifact "by ruling false" page has 2 pages of falsehoods documented on it. 

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/statements/byruling/false/

But that's like comparing a basket to a truckload.   Trump's has 11 pages and growing every day.

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

FWIW, Warren's documented falsehood page, notably is currently blank.

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/elizabeth-warren/statements/byruling/false/

At this point, you're just trolling me.

As I've said, I found both choices unacceptable.  The ideal, as I've said ad naseum, is better choices.  If you're happy with the choice of Hillary, I'm glad for you, but I don't find her to be any more acceptable than Trump.

Now, get back on topic please.

well, that's still more credibility than Trump has left
« Last Edit: October 19, 2018, 05:43:10 PM by nickagneta »

Re: Is Elizabeth Warren an American Indian?
« Reply #140 on: October 19, 2018, 03:06:18 PM »

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Now she probably shouldn't have been claiming minority status given a great great grandmother is fairly removed, but if she only ever said her great great grandmother was Native American and Harvard made a bigger deal about it then they should have, that is also different.

I agree. If the situation was that Warren was shooting the breeze with administrators and her heritage had come up in passing, and Harvard had said ďThatís really interesting. Do you mind if we publicize this?Ē, it would be a non-issue to me.

But, thatís not what happened.
You can't say that is not what happened, especially since there are statements from plenty of different sources, which do in fact say that is in fact what happened.

Can you link to those sources?

From what I've seen, she purposefully self-identified as a "woman of color", etc., starting at Penn and then again at Harvard.

For the record, she did identify as native american ethnicity on a few employment docs at Penn and Harvard.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2018/09/01/did-claiming-native-american-heritage-actually-help-elizabeth-warren-get-ahead-but-complicated/wUZZcrKKEOUv5Spnb7IO0K/story.html

I think she has shown she does not have what it takes to survive what will inevitably be a mud fight in 2020.

Nonetheless, it is bizarre that anyone who voted for Trump can have anything to say about political dishonesty. There are several orders of magnitude of difference between dismal pettiness of Warren's ancestry claims and the total lack of any pretense of honesty by Trump.

Even if your personal calculations for getting the political outcomes you want work out, you are choosing a sociopathic approach to getting your way.




Re: Is Elizabeth Warren an American Indian?
« Reply #141 on: October 19, 2018, 03:25:41 PM »

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Hey, my kids are as white as you get but are 50% Puertorican. They identify as both Italian-American and Puertorican. You can be sure I told them to register on the SAT as Hispanic. They got letters from minority clubs on their campuses to join. They did and said a large amount of people were white but had some part of them that was minority. And the clubs didn't care because they knew, your skin color does not define your ethnicity.

Warren was told since a child she was part Native American. She is about my age and back then they did ask your ethnicity. If she identified as part NA, it was her option to do so. It benefited her. It benefits my son's to identify themselves as minority when applying to college and jobs. Don't see anything wrong with what she did.

It wasn't until recently that she was actually called into question regarding her ethnicity. And you can rest assure that where she worked loved having a white skinned person who could be called a minority and took advantage of that. Harvard definitely did.

I just see a huge difference between 50% and 1/64th to 1,024th.
The percentage really doesn't matter to colleges and jobs. As I said, if a college or job can list you as a minority even though you are white, they aren't going to have any problem with that.

I'm not sure I agree.  If I run a DNA test and it shows I'm 1/1000th African, I think a college might have some concerns if I listed myself as African-American. 

And if they don't, doesn't that make "race" and "diversity" meaningless?
But Roy, she only just found out what percentage of NA she is and even there, it's not a certainty what percentage it is. She was told as a child she was part Native American on her mother's side(?). What was she supposed to do as an 18 year old in the 80's, ask for a DNA test that didn't exist back then to try to prove her parents and grandparents liars? And if it benefited her to identify as minority because she was told she was part minority, was she not supposed to take advantage of that? Harvard took advantage of it.

She should listen to Ronald Reagan.  Trust, but verify. 

The last thing we should want in a politician is "This might not be true, but it's in my own personal interests, so I'm just going to run with it."

Is this really what you believe in?   Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election, again?

Or is THIS (Warren's ethnicity on forms filled out when she was young) somehow the "Big Lie" that pushes you over the edge to demand 100% purity of truth from your elected officials?

Itís always the ideal.  I mean, who did you vote for again?  Are you proud of that vote, or would you have preferred better choices?

Well, it's clearly NOT your ideal.  Because if it was the "last thing" for you, then you would not have voted for the candidate who was and is a serial liar, with an incredibly deep and well documented list of lies on his resume'.

Has Hillary lied as well?  Yep.   Her politifact "by ruling false" page has 2 pages of falsehoods documented on it. 

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/statements/byruling/false/

But that's like comparing a basket to a truckload.   Trump's has 11 pages and growing every day.

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

FWIW, Warren's documented falsehood page, notably is currently blank.

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/elizabeth-warren/statements/byruling/false/

At this point, you're just trolling me.

As I've said, I found both choices unacceptable.  The ideal, as I've said ad naseum, is better choices.  If you're happy with the choice of Hillary, I'm glad for you, but I don't find her to be any more acceptable than Trump.

Now, get back on topic please.


No, I'm pointing out a false equivalency.

And your referring to Warren as a "liar" again and again over this IS on topic.   You made it the topic.
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Re: Is Elizabeth Warren an American Indian?
« Reply #142 on: October 19, 2018, 05:58:16 PM »

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Can we just strip this down?  It's simple: Some people hate Elizabeth Warren.  They look at this one issue (which she didn't handle well, not even sure it's a lie) and jump on while giving a pass to the current resident of the White House, even though he lies every single day and dozens of things.

Both sides are too accepting/blind to  the faults of their sides.

I see it was edited.   Regardless it was funny.  Whomever deleted it, I am fine with it, but you sir or ma'am have no sense of humor.

« Last Edit: October 19, 2018, 06:00:16 PM by nickagneta »

 

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