Oh so that's why conservatives groups were targeted 3 times as often. Social media firms should go with that as to why they have a double standard towards conservatives as well. It's not what it looks like guys! We're just swamped with work!
Maybe the IRS was just incompetent like Comey's FBI
Well if people in his staff made the hires instead of the intelligence community spying on him and us the intelligence community could start spying on his enemies. I'm fine with that. I also wasn't a big fan of when the IRS was weaponized against conservatives. A little turning of the tables wouldn't bother me at all. Quite honestly maybe the left should have thought of this before they did all this stuff.
And I am just guessing.....we'll know in the next 3 weeks if Mueller has anything substantial on Trump because now that Trump has done this if there's anything out there it will be leaked. I think if he gets through the next 3 weeks he gets through the next 3 years
This didn’t happen, quite frankly. I’ll never convince you otherwise, because you’ll believe what people who have benefited from this lie want you to believe, but that flat out isn’t close to what happened.
Incompetence was definitely part of the problem. Being completely understaffed was also part of the problem. But there was absolutely zero intent.
Short story: I know someone who started at that division of the IRS in late 2012. He started with about 12 other new hires — they were the first new employees that division had been given since 2008. Second week there, he said “It’s crazy. There’s this guy Bob (I changed his name.) They just gave me a lot of his work. There are cases dating back to 2005 that he hasn’t touched in years. And our manager is just counting the days to his retirement.”
Fast forward about 9 months, after the scandal broke. I mention to my friend that his work is in the news. He said “Remember Bob? All of those cases were assigned to him.”
Do you remember the 2010 election? Conservative groups were way more active. You trounced the liberal groups. And accordingly, yeah, you created way more groups, and so way more were caught up in this, because there were simply more being started up.
That’s the short story, of course. The slightly longer story is that a lot of the Tea Party groups that were starting and found instructions online about how to start up a 501(c)(4) organization, and had shared those instructions with each other. Unfortunately those instructions they found weren’t correct, and so many (but not all) of the applications had the same error. So what happened is a couple of employees in Cincinnati, who would normally see about 10 applications per month instead started seeing 100 applications per month, because you guys were so freaking motivated. Many of them had errors, and they all seemed to be related to each other because they had similar names and the same errors. So they called DC, and someone in DC gave Bob the assignment. And Bob, who was clueless, and not a lawyer, said “send all the Patriot and Tea Party groups to me.” So that’s what the Cincinnati people did (even tho they should have approved the ones that came in that were correct). And then Bob sat on them, because that’s what Bob did to all of the work he got.
I mean this truly, if this didn’t blow up and cause a huge scandal, Bob would still be at the IRS. And this time around the people in Cincinnati would have called Bob and said “Hey, there’s all these groups called Indivisible and they all look like they’re related, what should we do?” And Bob would have said “Send them to me” and would have just sat on them.
But there are some things that no one talks about, and I want to highlight them.
1) Most of the applications that were sent to DC instead of being instantly approved had substantial errors in them.
2) Yeah, workload really did mater. TEGE (Tax-Exempt and Government Entities) has its workforce slashed over the course of the decade (by both Bush and Obama), and there was a huge influx of applications in 2009 and 2010 that they simply didn’t have the staff to deal with them, even if they had competent staff instead of Bob.
3) In 2009, the Tea Party groups all said they were separate from Republicans and non-partisan. So even though they shouldn’t have been singled out in the manner that they were, all the applications indicated that they were non-partisan groups, and people legitimately didn’t realize they would be doing something that might seem partisan in hindsight.
4) The result of all this is that if you want to start up your own tax-exempt group, you can do so very easily and no one will stop you even if you break all the rules. There is zero oversight now. And this is a problem. Are charities using their money how they say? Who knows. Are (c)(4)s electioneering on behalf of (c)(3)s? Who cares (and most people don’t even know what that means). Is your contribution to a terrorist organization tax-deductible now? Quite probably. And are very rich people giving money to foundations they control, writing off the donations, and using the funds of said foundation to benefit themselves. Absolutely. But we’re okay with all of that because Republicans who trounced Democrats in the election get to feel persecuted at the same time they actually won.
Anyway, all this is extremely off-topic.