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Would you  trade Jaylen Brown with a first for jimmy Butler if it keeps Kyrie with the Celtics?

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Offline Moranis

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I'd acquire Butler and wouldn't give it much thought.  He is a very good 2 way player in the same tier as Irving and Hayward in the league. 

It would probably mean that Horford would have to be traded next summer, but I'm ok with taking the championship shot this year.

And I would absolutely trade Brown in the trade if that is what it took.

So basically Butler for Brown, Morris, Yabu, and Nader (I think that is enough salary but if not add Semi).

Post-Trade - Main 2 deep rotation
PG - Irving, Rozier
SG - Butler, Smart
SF - Hayward, Tatum
PF - Horford, Theis
C - Baynes, Williams 

That team if everyone is healthy and back to where they were would be a real threat to the Warriors and the very heavy and clear favorites in the East.  Even if the Sixers acquired Leonard (for basically Saric, Covington, and 1sts) that C's team would still be the favorites in the East.

I'm not mortgaging a potential Eastern Conference / NBA dynasty for 1 year of still-underdog contending status against Golden State.  That roster won't win it.

If Kyrie insists, then we can get a lottery pick + at least 1 good player or prospect for him. 

Rozier
Brown
Hayward
Tatum
Horford

Plus Smart, Williams and our Kyrie haul is a very good and still young core moving forward.

We'd also have 3 good-to-elite lottery picks (Sacto, Memphis, Kyrie lottery pick) to use or roll over to ideally go after a PG, a big and another wing.  Personally, I don't think Rozier is the answer at PG, and I'd like a PF/C to hedge against Robert Williams not turning into Capela.

EDIT - I would try to keep Kyrie here at nearly any cost- except trading JB or JT.
First, why would you assume it would be 1 year?  Second, that team is much better than the current roster this season (and for the foreseeable future) and it isn't close?  Jimmy Butler is a much better player than Jaylen Brown.  Sure at some point in the future Jaylen Brown will pass him up, but that doesn't mean Jaylen Brown will ever be as good as Jimmy Butler is right now.  And Jimmy Butler's age is much more inline with Irving, Hayward, and Horford.  Boston should absolutely capitalize on the prime of those 3, rather than hoping that someday Tatum and Brown can be a championship level core.

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Jimmy Butler is nit a much better player than Jaylen Brown

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Jimmy Butler is nit a much better player than Jaylen Brown

This is absurd homerism.

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Brown is closing fast with alot less miles

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I'd acquire Butler and wouldn't give it much thought.  He is a very good 2 way player in the same tier as Irving and Hayward in the league. 

It would probably mean that Horford would have to be traded next summer, but I'm ok with taking the championship shot this year.

And I would absolutely trade Brown in the trade if that is what it took.

So basically Butler for Brown, Morris, Yabu, and Nader (I think that is enough salary but if not add Semi).

Post-Trade - Main 2 deep rotation
PG - Irving, Rozier
SG - Butler, Smart
SF - Hayward, Tatum
PF - Horford, Theis
C - Baynes, Williams 

That team if everyone is healthy and back to where they were would be a real threat to the Warriors and the very heavy and clear favorites in the East.  Even if the Sixers acquired Leonard (for basically Saric, Covington, and 1sts) that C's team would still be the favorites in the East.

I'm not mortgaging a potential Eastern Conference / NBA dynasty for 1 year of still-underdog contending status against Golden State.  That roster won't win it.

If Kyrie insists, then we can get a lottery pick + at least 1 good player or prospect for him. 

Rozier
Brown
Hayward
Tatum
Horford

Plus Smart, Williams and our Kyrie haul is a very good and still young core moving forward.

We'd also have 3 good-to-elite lottery picks (Sacto, Memphis, Kyrie lottery pick) to use or roll over to ideally go after a PG, a big and another wing.  Personally, I don't think Rozier is the answer at PG, and I'd like a PF/C to hedge against Robert Williams not turning into Capela.

EDIT - I would try to keep Kyrie here at nearly any cost- except trading JB or JT.
First, why would you assume it would be 1 year?  Second, that team is much better than the current roster this season (and for the foreseeable future) and it isn't close?  Jimmy Butler is a much better player than Jaylen Brown.  Sure at some point in the future Jaylen Brown will pass him up, but that doesn't mean Jaylen Brown will ever be as good as Jimmy Butler is right now.  And Jimmy Butler's age is much more inline with Irving, Hayward, and Horford.  Boston should absolutely capitalize on the prime of those 3, rather than hoping that someday Tatum and Brown can be a championship level core.

Because in 1 year you'd have to get rid of 1 of the 4, and Golden State would beat that team this year.  They have two top 5 players.  Your team doesn't have a top 5 player.  It debatably doesn't even have a top 10 player.  If Tatum can one day be a top 5 player, that's the timeline to go for.
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Jimmy Butler is nit a much better player than Jaylen Brown

This is absurd homerism.

Jimmy Butler is a better player today, at 30 years old and Jaylen at 21. But Jaylen is on track to be a better player in his prime. JB didn't even come into the league until 22.

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I'd acquire Butler and wouldn't give it much thought.  He is a very good 2 way player in the same tier as Irving and Hayward in the league. 

It would probably mean that Horford would have to be traded next summer, but I'm ok with taking the championship shot this year.

And I would absolutely trade Brown in the trade if that is what it took.

So basically Butler for Brown, Morris, Yabu, and Nader (I think that is enough salary but if not add Semi).

Post-Trade - Main 2 deep rotation
PG - Irving, Rozier
SG - Butler, Smart
SF - Hayward, Tatum
PF - Horford, Theis
C - Baynes, Williams 

That team if everyone is healthy and back to where they were would be a real threat to the Warriors and the very heavy and clear favorites in the East.  Even if the Sixers acquired Leonard (for basically Saric, Covington, and 1sts) that C's team would still be the favorites in the East.

I'm not mortgaging a potential Eastern Conference / NBA dynasty for 1 year of still-underdog contending status against Golden State.  That roster won't win it.

If Kyrie insists, then we can get a lottery pick + at least 1 good player or prospect for him. 

Rozier
Brown
Hayward
Tatum
Horford

Plus Smart, Williams and our Kyrie haul is a very good and still young core moving forward.

We'd also have 3 good-to-elite lottery picks (Sacto, Memphis, Kyrie lottery pick) to use or roll over to ideally go after a PG, a big and another wing.  Personally, I don't think Rozier is the answer at PG, and I'd like a PF/C to hedge against Robert Williams not turning into Capela.

EDIT - I would try to keep Kyrie here at nearly any cost- except trading JB or JT.
First, why would you assume it would be 1 year?  Second, that team is much better than the current roster this season (and for the foreseeable future) and it isn't close?  Jimmy Butler is a much better player than Jaylen Brown.  Sure at some point in the future Jaylen Brown will pass him up, but that doesn't mean Jaylen Brown will ever be as good as Jimmy Butler is right now.  And Jimmy Butler's age is much more inline with Irving, Hayward, and Horford.  Boston should absolutely capitalize on the prime of those 3, rather than hoping that someday Tatum and Brown can be a championship level core.

This is the age old debate, get vets in here now by trading young talent, or develop the young talent over time.

There's no right answer of course but given that I'm personally more invested and excited about the Tatum-Brown timeline than I am about the Horford-Hayward timeline, I will be patient. But that's just my personal preference.

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I say no.

I would rather have Jaylen Brown over Jimmy Butler personally. I think he's going to be a better player in the long run and it's nice to see young talent developed in-house, at 21 Brown has quite the bright future ahead of him. I bet that Jaylen Brown will be torching us in the future if we trade him (which I highly doubt we will).

If Kyrie decides to leave for NY that would suck but I'm ok with Rozier taking over the point with Tatum, Brown, Hayward and Horford. I'm pretty sure those guys are going to be able to pick up the scoring slack and our defense improves. I'm not even sure we get that much worse.

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Jimmy Butler is nit a much better player than Jaylen Brown

This is absurd homerism.

Jimmy Butler is a better player today, at 30 years old and Jaylen at 21. But Jaylen is on track to be a better player in his prime. JB didn't even come into the league until 22.

If youíre going to bring up an irrelevant point at least get it right. Butler is 28. The guy claimed that Brown isnít much worse than Butler (now).

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As much as I like Jimmy Butler, the only player for whom I would trade Jaylen Brown is Dwayne Bacon.

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As much as I like Jimmy Butler, the only player for whom I would trade Jaylen Brown is Dwayne Bacon.
Don't know the name but I assume he is one of your mid to late second round or undrafted free agent binkies :laugh:
« Last Edit: August 08, 2018, 08:37:46 AM by nickagneta »

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I may have posted this before, but if we didnít trade Brown for Kawhi, we are not trading him for Butler. Kawhi is a tier better than Butler, and heís younger..


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I may have posted this before, but if we didnít trade Brown for Kawhi, we are not trading him for Butler. Kawhi is a tier better than Butler, and heís younger..
I agree but a lot of people here are assuming getting Butler assures both Butler and Kyrie are here long term because they are buddies because otherwise both Kyrie and Butler are going to sign with some other team next year. I don't buy into that. I think if Danny thought Kyrie was going to leave, Kyrie would have been gone this off season. I think, behind the scenes, Kyrie and Danny have a strong relationship and just don't want to go public with anything.

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I may have posted this before, but if we didnít trade Brown for Kawhi, we are not trading him for Butler. Kawhi is a tier better than Butler, and heís younger..
He is also an expiring contract, missed almost an entire year with an injury, is rumored to be heading to LA next summer, and Brown wasn't the only major piece being sought by the Spurs.  Butler is only the expiring contract and none of those other things but has been linked to Irving by a lot of people.
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I'd acquire Butler and wouldn't give it much thought.  He is a very good 2 way player in the same tier as Irving and Hayward in the league. 

It would probably mean that Horford would have to be traded next summer, but I'm ok with taking the championship shot this year.

And I would absolutely trade Brown in the trade if that is what it took.

So basically Butler for Brown, Morris, Yabu, and Nader (I think that is enough salary but if not add Semi).

Post-Trade - Main 2 deep rotation
PG - Irving, Rozier
SG - Butler, Smart
SF - Hayward, Tatum
PF - Horford, Theis
C - Baynes, Williams 

That team if everyone is healthy and back to where they were would be a real threat to the Warriors and the very heavy and clear favorites in the East.  Even if the Sixers acquired Leonard (for basically Saric, Covington, and 1sts) that C's team would still be the favorites in the East.

I'm not mortgaging a potential Eastern Conference / NBA dynasty for 1 year of still-underdog contending status against Golden State.  That roster won't win it.

If Kyrie insists, then we can get a lottery pick + at least 1 good player or prospect for him. 

Rozier
Brown
Hayward
Tatum
Horford

Plus Smart, Williams and our Kyrie haul is a very good and still young core moving forward.

We'd also have 3 good-to-elite lottery picks (Sacto, Memphis, Kyrie lottery pick) to use or roll over to ideally go after a PG, a big and another wing.  Personally, I don't think Rozier is the answer at PG, and I'd like a PF/C to hedge against Robert Williams not turning into Capela.

EDIT - I would try to keep Kyrie here at nearly any cost- except trading JB or JT.
First, why would you assume it would be 1 year?  Second, that team is much better than the current roster this season (and for the foreseeable future) and it isn't close?  Jimmy Butler is a much better player than Jaylen Brown.  Sure at some point in the future Jaylen Brown will pass him up, but that doesn't mean Jaylen Brown will ever be as good as Jimmy Butler is right now.  And Jimmy Butler's age is much more inline with Irving, Hayward, and Horford.  Boston should absolutely capitalize on the prime of those 3, rather than hoping that someday Tatum and Brown can be a championship level core.

This is the age old debate, get vets in here now by trading young talent, or develop the young talent over time.

There's no right answer of course but given that I'm personally more invested and excited about the Tatum-Brown timeline than I am about the Horford-Hayward timeline, I will be patient. But that's just my personal preference.
I totally get that, but exciting young players often don't develop into what they could be or they could get hurt or they could leave before they are truly ready to compete or they develop well but the team around them isn't good enough or they develop well but just run into a better team.

I'd much rather elevate the current team, which many feel is the best team in the conference already, and take a real shot over the next 3ish seasons (while still keeping Tatum, Smart, Sacto, Mem, etc.).  While I'd favor a healthy Golden State against a Boston team comprised of Irving, Butler, Hayward, Tatum, Horford, Baynes, Smart, and Rozier (with Theis and Williams for big man depth), I'd give that team a real shot, and I think there is a very good chance this is the last real year that GS is what they currently are (I don't see them keeping Klay and Dray and frankly Curry and Durant are aging with health concerns).  When a team is close, getting it closer makes far too much sense to me.

 

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