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Re: Justice Kennedy retiring-Kavanaugh procedings
« Reply #60 on: June 27, 2018, 08:46:26 PM »

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Democrats aren’t obstructing Trump, trying to make him a single term President? Of course they are.

And, Democrats wrote the book on obstructing judicial nominees. Biden talked openly about doing what McConnell did, the Dems filibustered and the blue slip process to an unprecedented degree, and it was Harry Reid who invoked the nuclear option.

You’ve got prominent Democrats calling for harassment by mob.  Their entire platform is based upon appealing to feelings; I’d hardly describe them as policy wonks.  Hillary didn’t run on policy. She ran on “I’m not Trump”, while calling half the country deplorable.

Both parties are motivated by the same thing: gaining and maintaining power.
Again, similarities are not equivalencies. They are both participants in the same 2 party American system. Of course they employ some of the same tactics. Of course there are isolated examples of pretty much everything.

Compared to Trump, Hillary was an absolute policy wonk. Did you read their platforms? What about Bernie's platform? He nearly won the whole thing on progressive democratic socialism, practically a different approach to government altogether. The gulf between Hillary and Bernie's proposals and Trump's "build a wall and Mexico pays for it" was night and day.

Democrats walked Al Franken out the door for a PG rated photo op that he apologized for. Republicans stood by Trump after the "cat" grabber incident and rallied behind an unpopular pedophile and disgraced judge for Senate.

Biden and Reid may have talked and dabbled, but the current GOP run of 9 years culminating in Garland is unlike anything in history. You can claim the dems would have done the same, but the fact is they haven't.

I agree both parties seek power. I agree some of the same things happen. Maybe the democrats will get power back and behave even worse. Who knows. What I do know, is that TODAY, and for at least the past decade, the Republican party is the one playing much dirtier with democracy. Maybe it's temporary. Maybe it's not inherently that way. But right now, it is.
More truth. I don’t see how any of this can be denied. 

I take exception to the derogatory implication of ‘appealing to feelings’.  I would rather align with that party than one so heartless as to appeal to individual rights at all costs.

Re: Justice Kennedy retiring-Kavanaugh procedings
« Reply #61 on: June 27, 2018, 08:50:19 PM »

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Democrats aren’t obstructing Trump, trying to make him a single term President? Of course they are.

And, Democrats wrote the book on obstructing judicial nominees. Biden talked openly about doing what McConnell did, the Dems filibustered and the blue slip process to an unprecedented degree, and it was Harry Reid who invoked the nuclear option.

You’ve got prominent Democrats calling for harassment by mob.  Their entire platform is based upon appealing to feelings; I’d hardly describe them as policy wonks.  Hillary didn’t run on policy. She ran on “I’m not Trump”, while calling half the country deplorable.

Both parties are motivated by the same thing: gaining and maintaining power.
Again, similarities are not equivalencies. They are both participants in the same 2 party American system. Of course they employ some of the same tactics. Of course there are isolated examples of pretty much everything.

Compared to Trump, Hillary was an absolute policy wonk. Did you read their platforms? What about Bernie's platform? He nearly won the whole thing on progressive democratic socialism, practically a different approach to government altogether. The gulf between Hillary and Bernie's proposals and Trump's "build a wall and Mexico pays for it" was night and day.

Democrats walked Al Franken out the door for a PG rated photo op that he apologized for. Republicans stood by Trump after the "cat" grabber incident and rallied behind an unpopular pedophile and disgraced judge for Senate.

Biden and Reid may have talked and dabbled, but the current GOP run of 9 years culminating in Garland is unlike anything in history. You can claim the dems would have done the same, but the fact is they haven't.

I agree both parties seek power. I agree some of the same things happen. Maybe the democrats will get power back and behave even worse. Who knows. What I do know, is that TODAY, and for at least the past decade, the Republican party is the one playing much dirtier with democracy. Maybe it's temporary. Maybe it's not inherently that way. But right now, it is.
More truth. I don’t see how any of this can be denied. 

I take exception to the derogatory implication of ‘appealing to feelings’.  I would rather align with that party than one so heartless as to appeal to individual rights at all costs.

Odd. A bunch of Democrats prefer Democrats and demonize Republicans.


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Re: Justice Kennedy retiring-Kavanaugh procedings
« Reply #62 on: June 27, 2018, 08:53:19 PM »

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Satire/sarcasm alert

I have to say before I read this thread I had no idea Justice Kennedy was the only thing standing between us and the rise of Sauron.

Nor did I realize that apparently we were some sort of hellish 3rd world place before 1972 or so.

Is it true when Pelosi was asked about the terrifying possibility of two parent families becoming the norm again she said "Over Charlie Gard's dead body"?

Re: Justice Kennedy retiring-Kavanaugh procedings
« Reply #63 on: June 27, 2018, 08:58:03 PM »

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Democrats aren’t obstructing Trump, trying to make him a single term President? Of course they are.

And, Democrats wrote the book on obstructing judicial nominees. Biden talked openly about doing what McConnell did, the Dems filibustered and the blue slip process to an unprecedented degree, and it was Harry Reid who invoked the nuclear option.

You’ve got prominent Democrats calling for harassment by mob.  Their entire platform is based upon appealing to feelings; I’d hardly describe them as policy wonks.  Hillary didn’t run on policy. She ran on “I’m not Trump”, while calling half the country deplorable.

Both parties are motivated by the same thing: gaining and maintaining power.
Again, similarities are not equivalencies. They are both participants in the same 2 party American system. Of course they employ some of the same tactics. Of course there are isolated examples of pretty much everything.

Compared to Trump, Hillary was an absolute policy wonk. Did you read their platforms? What about Bernie's platform? He nearly won the whole thing on progressive democratic socialism, practically a different approach to government altogether. The gulf between Hillary and Bernie's proposals and Trump's "build a wall and Mexico pays for it" was night and day.

Democrats walked Al Franken out the door for a PG rated photo op that he apologized for. Republicans stood by Trump after the "cat" grabber incident and rallied behind an unpopular pedophile and disgraced judge for Senate.

Biden and Reid may have talked and dabbled, but the current GOP run of 9 years culminating in Garland is unlike anything in history. You can claim the dems would have done the same, but the fact is they haven't.

I agree both parties seek power. I agree some of the same things happen. Maybe the democrats will get power back and behave even worse. Who knows. What I do know, is that TODAY, and for at least the past decade, the Republican party is the one playing much dirtier with democracy. Maybe it's temporary. Maybe it's not inherently that way. But right now, it is.
More truth. I don’t see how any of this can be denied. 

I take exception to the derogatory implication of ‘appealing to feelings’.  I would rather align with that party than one so heartless as to appeal to individual rights at all costs.

Odd. A bunch of Democrats prefer Democrats and demonize Republicans.
Yeah, well, this Democrat would have prefered Kasich as the guy that won the last presidential election. I only voted Hilary for the same reason you voted Trump...the Supreme Court nominations. I am actually pretty proud to say I didn't vote Trump. The guy is a morally corrupt, mysogynist, racist, egotistical, narcissistic pathalogical liar.

Re: Justice Kennedy retiring-Kavanaugh procedings
« Reply #64 on: June 27, 2018, 09:00:19 PM »

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Putting all the civil rights issues aside for a moment, what the GOP has done in the past 2 years with the Supreme Court is a completely unprecedented party-first power play. There is nothing remotely similar to:

1) Refusing to vote on a nomination for 10 months.. and the appointee was a left-CENTRIST (leave it to liberals to compromise upfront and get screwed).

2) Make rule changes specifically so they could force through subsequent appointees without a filibuster and unbalance the court as much as possible as quickly as possible.

The GOP is not playing at democracy, they are running a slow moving coup to install a conservative America, and fueling it on the backs of culture war.

The truth
The bottom line is that the GOP has a playbook for "winning" at American politics. I consider it dirty politics, anti-democratic, and in some cases downright unconstitutional. Their base considers it smart, tough and justified.

1) Stoke your base in red states with cultural issues. Abortion, Supreme Court, immigration. You can win elections and lose the popular vote by taking advantage of the electoral college. Cast all democrats as elitists and wannabe socialists.

2) Pour money into winning state seats, so that you can gerrymander districts. Now The House has more GOP seats than expected - electoral strategy all over again.

3) Take ownership of patriotism - military, MAGA etc when you have no particular moral authority or stronger record here. Example: funding for the VA.

4) Exploit every loophole in a partisan manner. Anything Obama touches is automatically rejected. Refuse to confirm Garland. If you can vote to change a rule in your favor, do it that way.

5) Unity. No matter if it's a child molester, a philanderer, a liar, an ex-Democrat, always act as a blockade and keep your own people in office.
Dem playbook

1.  Convince minorities and women they are perpetual victims and that the Dems are the only thing between them and total ruin. If a group of minorities, like say Asians, succeed without help and don't vote for you, try to discriminate against them on campuses (wink wink Harvard) and if a minority succeeds and identifies as conservative do what you can to paint them as an Uncle Tom.

2. Give taxpayer money to Planned Parenthood, so that Planned Parenthood will give it back to them.

3. Cave on unsustainable promises to corrupt unions, who then support their campaigns and deliver the vote.

4. Give money to academia, which jacks up the price of college anyway. Create a generation of people in debt beholden to the party that promises free higher education. Make sure conservatives are person non grata on campus and create "safe spaces" where kids can be free of hearing the opposite point of view in the unlikely scenario where they can actually find it.

5. Import voters from other countries and pander to them. If anyone points this out call them bigots.

6. Create class warfare knowing that most people aren't in the 1%, or even the 20%. Continue to live in the biggest houses you can.

7. Attempt to take the scientific high ground by declaring some things settled, whereas other things depend on your feelings. Declare anyone that disagrees uncultured rubes.

8. Make buddies with Hollywood. Collect money from the Weinsteins of the world and praise the Polanskis. Act shocked and jump on the witch hunt train when stuff comes out that everyone knew about for 20 years. Sell yourselves as the only group that values women. Hollywood and your buddies in the media won't point out the lunacy on this one.

All this seems like a recipe for winning. It's actually a recipe for bringing us Trump.
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Re: Justice Kennedy retiring-Kavanaugh procedings
« Reply #65 on: June 27, 2018, 09:09:22 PM »

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I prefer a Supreme Court with at least one centrist swing vote. 4 conservatives, 4 liberals, 1 swing. Or better 3 conservatives, 3 liberals and 3 swings. I think having things this way is best for America.

If Trump eventually gets this court to 6-3 conservatives to liberals I fear for a woman to decide on their own bodies. I fear for equal rights for the LGBT community. I fear for the rights of individuals over rights of corporations. I fear for those of religions other than christians. I fear for the rights of people of color.
no worries Nick.  those you fear for will still have their rights at the state level.  it'll just be in the blue states. 
would not be surprised that if a lot of the SC decisions end up reversed and those people go back to being persecuted that the divisiveness overtakes this country eventually and splinters it into 2-3 smaller countries -- East Coast Blue, West Coast Blue, Red Middle. 
Extreme?  certainly, but without someone or some 'thing' to unite this rapidly dividing house, it's not that farfetched in 25-30 years (or sooner) to become an open discussion if not action

Re: Justice Kennedy retiring-Kavanaugh procedings
« Reply #66 on: June 27, 2018, 09:16:14 PM »

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Considering the fact that abortion is an off-limits topic on CB, I'm seeing an awful lot of talk about it going unchecked by the mods.
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Re: Justice Kennedy retiring-Kavanaugh procedings
« Reply #67 on: June 27, 2018, 09:25:26 PM »

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The dems have been obstructionist before too, read up on Hoover's presidency.  Here is some more recent history.   Note has a video, with direct comments.   I am sure some here are so biased that will try to rationalize it to their side.

2007 Chuck Schumer

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"We should not confirm any Bush nominee to the Supreme Court, except in extraordinary circumstances," Schumer, a New York Democrat, said in prepared remarks to the American Constitution Society, a liberal legal organization.

https://youtu.be/tkRZVE3aDm8

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/schumer-in-2007-dont-confirm-any-bush-supreme-court-nominee

How soon people forget, I guess.

Truth is both these parties want to stay or get in power and neither cares for the greater good anymore.  They both care more about party than country.

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1.  Convince minorities and women they are perpetual victims and that the Dems are the only thing between them and total ruin.

2. Give taxpayer money to Planned Parenthood, so that Planned Parenthood will give it back to them.

3. Cave on unsustainable promises to corrupt unions, who then support their campaigns and deliver the vote.

4. Give money to academia, which jacks up the price of college anyway. Create a generation of people in debt beholden to the party that promises free higher education. Make sure conservatives are person non grata on campus and create "safe spaces" where kids can be free of hearing the opposite point of view in the unlikely scenario where they can actually find it.

5. Import voters from other countries and pander to them. If anyone points this out call them bigots.

6. Create class warfare knowing that most people aren't in the 1%, or even the 20%. Continue to live in the biggest houses you can.

7. Attempt to take the scientific high ground by declaring some things settled, whereas other things depend on your feelings. Declare anyone that disagrees uncultured rubes

8.  You can add open borders to that list.

I have voted for Dems in the past, Gore, Kerry, Clinton, Obama once.   But they are not the party of my grandfather and seem to have turned on the blue collar guys and Trump won a lot over.   

I can't stand all the whiny people the left have let into the tent. For the record, I did not care for the Tea Party movement either and could not stand them.   I guess I don't like the extremes.   And the extremes are what has taken over both parties. 

I have not went into the tent of the right but I am an independent now who is disgusted with both sides of the aisle.  But from my view hypocrisy is now the new norm.  Our candidates are so bad now that is more a question of who you're voting against not who you are voting for...
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Re: Justice Kennedy retiring-Kavanaugh procedings
« Reply #68 on: June 27, 2018, 09:27:55 PM »

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This thread isn't headed anywhere good. I'm taking myself to other parts of CB for now
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Re: Justice Kennedy retiring-Kavanaugh procedings
« Reply #69 on: June 27, 2018, 09:43:45 PM »

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  Our candidates are so bad now that is more a question of who you're voting against not who you are voting for...
Sad but the most true statement made in this thread....TP.

Re: Justice Kennedy retiring-Kavanaugh procedings
« Reply #70 on: June 27, 2018, 09:47:11 PM »

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Considering the fact that abortion is an off-limits topic on CB, I'm seeing an awful lot of talk about it going unchecked by the mods.
2 off the cuff mentions. Nothing went any farther.

We also had a pretty awful labeling of transgenders.

Let's all take this as a reminder to stay in the rules...me included.



Re: Justice Kennedy retiring-Kavanaugh procedings
« Reply #71 on: June 27, 2018, 10:14:35 PM »

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  Our candidates are so bad now that is more a question of who you're voting against not who you are voting for...
Sad but the most true statement made in this thread....TP.
I may be in the minority on this but since becoming old enough to vote for president in the early 80's, there's only been one presidential election where I actually voted 'for' a candidate as opposed to voting against a candidate (or picking between the lesser of 2 bad candidates).

Re: Justice Kennedy retiring-Kavanaugh procedings
« Reply #72 on: June 27, 2018, 10:18:53 PM »

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  Our candidates are so bad now that is more a question of who you're voting against not who you are voting for...
Sad but the most true statement made in this thread....TP.
I may be in the minority on this but since becoming old enough to vote for president in the early 80's, there's only been one presidential election where I actually voted 'for' a candidate as opposed to voting against a candidate (or picking between the lesser of 2 bad candidates).
I voted for Reagan, both terms, and Obama first term as the presidents I voted for rather than vote against the competition.

Yeah, might be a surpruse to some here, but I did actually vote Reagan...2 terms.

Re: Justice Kennedy retiring-Kavanaugh procedings
« Reply #73 on: June 27, 2018, 10:55:51 PM »

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  Our candidates are so bad now that is more a question of who you're voting against not who you are voting for...
Sad but the most true statement made in this thread....TP.
I may be in the minority on this but since becoming old enough to vote for president in the early 80's, there's only been one presidential election where I actually voted 'for' a candidate as opposed to voting against a candidate (or picking between the lesser of 2 bad candidates).
I voted for Reagan, both terms, and Obama first term as the presidents I voted for rather than vote against the competition.

Yeah, might be a surpruse to some here, but I did actually vote Reagan...2 terms.
wasn't old enough to vote for Reagan's first term but did vote 'for' Obama first term.  did vote reagan second term --> I mean, Mondale?  yeesh

Re: Justice Kennedy retiring-Kavanaugh procedings
« Reply #74 on: June 27, 2018, 10:56:40 PM »

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Odd. A bunch of Democrats prefer Democrats and demonize Republicans.
Guys who voted this vile, morally corrupt individual for President don't need additional demonizing.
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