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Quote from: celticsclay on May 01, 2018, 01:27:09 PMQuote from: Green-18 on May 01, 2018, 01:20:00 PMQuote from: celticsclay on May 01, 2018, 01:01:34 PMQuote from: Moranis on May 01, 2018, 11:54:09 AMQuote from: Fafnir on May 01, 2018, 11:45:14 AMI expect the Raptors to win. LBJ exhausted himself to beat a lesser team in the Pacers. He's going to get worn down against the Raptors.Meanwhile the Cavs defense is bad, and they aren't as susceptible to the junk high double like Oladipo was. If you try that against he Raptors as more than a change up mid game they'll pick you apart.The Raptors are a jump shooting team. They have no one with the ball skills that Oladipo has. Thus, the Cavs below average defense will be much more suited to stopping the Raptors then they were to stopping the Pacers. The Raptors also have no one that can even pretend to guard James. The Pacers could give him a lot of strong and varied defensive looks, the Raptors can't. What do you think of the Cavs being 6.5 point underdogs tonight? 3.5 to 1 to win the east? I know you were regularly referencing the odds earlier in the season when Cleveland was the favorite. They now have the 3rd worst odds of winning the east of the teams left (only ahead of us and our missing 3 starters). I am genuinely curious why you think the oddsmakers have turned on them when they have been the darlings of lines ever since Lebron returned to Cleveland.Quote from: celticsclay on May 01, 2018, 01:01:34 PMQuote from: Moranis on May 01, 2018, 11:54:09 AMQuote from: Fafnir on May 01, 2018, 11:45:14 AMI expect the Raptors to win. LBJ exhausted himself to beat a lesser team in the Pacers. He's going to get worn down against the Raptors.Meanwhile the Cavs defense is bad, and they aren't as susceptible to the junk high double like Oladipo was. If you try that against he Raptors as more than a change up mid game they'll pick you apart.The Raptors are a jump shooting team. They have no one with the ball skills that Oladipo has. Thus, the Cavs below average defense will be much more suited to stopping the Raptors then they were to stopping the Pacers. The Raptors also have no one that can even pretend to guard James. The Pacers could give him a lot of strong and varied defensive looks, the Raptors can't. What do you think of the Cavs being 6.5 point underdogs tonight? 3.5 to 1 to win the east? I know you were regularly referencing the odds earlier in the season when Cleveland was the favorite. They now have the 3rd worst odds of winning the east of the teams left (only ahead of us and our missing 3 starters). I am genuinely curious why you think the oddsmakers have turned on them when they have been the darlings of lines ever since Lebron returned to Cleveland.They should be underdogs regardless but this is a case where I believes the odds are being heavily influenced by the public narrative. The odds makers are trying to ensure that they can profit on both sides of the spread. The Philly winning streak, Toronto being a convincing #1 seed, and the drama in Cleveland all came together to influence the betting lines. ESPN coverage is painting a picture of LeBron having his back against the wall. This is true but over exaggerated IMIO. This is a flawed comparison on my part but the 2010 NBA playoff odds come to mind. Deep down I always had faith in the Celtics ability to "flip the switch". I also didn't think the competition in the East was particularly strong. The regular season was mediocre by the Celtics standards and they went into the playoffs at +400 to win the East. I don't bet on my own team but I thought those were excellent odds at the time. Realistically I think a +4.5 line would be more realistic for the Cavs on the road. You really think the odds makers have to give people better odds to get them to bet on Cleveland? Pretty interesting take...In this rare case I would say yes, at least for game 1 of the series. All of the public headlines are along the lines of "can LeBron overcome the Raptors"? I think you could argue that the Raptors historically mediocre game 1 performances should even things out to a certain degree.LeBron also tends to rise to occasion in recent years unless he is faced with insurmountable odds. Who knows though. I could be complete off base. I pick the Raptors to win 104-101 tonight.
Quote from: Green-18 on May 01, 2018, 01:20:00 PMQuote from: celticsclay on May 01, 2018, 01:01:34 PMQuote from: Moranis on May 01, 2018, 11:54:09 AMQuote from: Fafnir on May 01, 2018, 11:45:14 AMI expect the Raptors to win. LBJ exhausted himself to beat a lesser team in the Pacers. He's going to get worn down against the Raptors.Meanwhile the Cavs defense is bad, and they aren't as susceptible to the junk high double like Oladipo was. If you try that against he Raptors as more than a change up mid game they'll pick you apart.The Raptors are a jump shooting team. They have no one with the ball skills that Oladipo has. Thus, the Cavs below average defense will be much more suited to stopping the Raptors then they were to stopping the Pacers. The Raptors also have no one that can even pretend to guard James. The Pacers could give him a lot of strong and varied defensive looks, the Raptors can't. What do you think of the Cavs being 6.5 point underdogs tonight? 3.5 to 1 to win the east? I know you were regularly referencing the odds earlier in the season when Cleveland was the favorite. They now have the 3rd worst odds of winning the east of the teams left (only ahead of us and our missing 3 starters). I am genuinely curious why you think the oddsmakers have turned on them when they have been the darlings of lines ever since Lebron returned to Cleveland.Quote from: celticsclay on May 01, 2018, 01:01:34 PMQuote from: Moranis on May 01, 2018, 11:54:09 AMQuote from: Fafnir on May 01, 2018, 11:45:14 AMI expect the Raptors to win. LBJ exhausted himself to beat a lesser team in the Pacers. He's going to get worn down against the Raptors.Meanwhile the Cavs defense is bad, and they aren't as susceptible to the junk high double like Oladipo was. If you try that against he Raptors as more than a change up mid game they'll pick you apart.The Raptors are a jump shooting team. They have no one with the ball skills that Oladipo has. Thus, the Cavs below average defense will be much more suited to stopping the Raptors then they were to stopping the Pacers. The Raptors also have no one that can even pretend to guard James. The Pacers could give him a lot of strong and varied defensive looks, the Raptors can't. What do you think of the Cavs being 6.5 point underdogs tonight? 3.5 to 1 to win the east? I know you were regularly referencing the odds earlier in the season when Cleveland was the favorite. They now have the 3rd worst odds of winning the east of the teams left (only ahead of us and our missing 3 starters). I am genuinely curious why you think the oddsmakers have turned on them when they have been the darlings of lines ever since Lebron returned to Cleveland.They should be underdogs regardless but this is a case where I believes the odds are being heavily influenced by the public narrative. The odds makers are trying to ensure that they can profit on both sides of the spread. The Philly winning streak, Toronto being a convincing #1 seed, and the drama in Cleveland all came together to influence the betting lines. ESPN coverage is painting a picture of LeBron having his back against the wall. This is true but over exaggerated IMIO. This is a flawed comparison on my part but the 2010 NBA playoff odds come to mind. Deep down I always had faith in the Celtics ability to "flip the switch". I also didn't think the competition in the East was particularly strong. The regular season was mediocre by the Celtics standards and they went into the playoffs at +400 to win the East. I don't bet on my own team but I thought those were excellent odds at the time. Realistically I think a +4.5 line would be more realistic for the Cavs on the road. You really think the odds makers have to give people better odds to get them to bet on Cleveland? Pretty interesting take...
Quote from: celticsclay on May 01, 2018, 01:01:34 PMQuote from: Moranis on May 01, 2018, 11:54:09 AMQuote from: Fafnir on May 01, 2018, 11:45:14 AMI expect the Raptors to win. LBJ exhausted himself to beat a lesser team in the Pacers. He's going to get worn down against the Raptors.Meanwhile the Cavs defense is bad, and they aren't as susceptible to the junk high double like Oladipo was. If you try that against he Raptors as more than a change up mid game they'll pick you apart.The Raptors are a jump shooting team. They have no one with the ball skills that Oladipo has. Thus, the Cavs below average defense will be much more suited to stopping the Raptors then they were to stopping the Pacers. The Raptors also have no one that can even pretend to guard James. The Pacers could give him a lot of strong and varied defensive looks, the Raptors can't. What do you think of the Cavs being 6.5 point underdogs tonight? 3.5 to 1 to win the east? I know you were regularly referencing the odds earlier in the season when Cleveland was the favorite. They now have the 3rd worst odds of winning the east of the teams left (only ahead of us and our missing 3 starters). I am genuinely curious why you think the oddsmakers have turned on them when they have been the darlings of lines ever since Lebron returned to Cleveland.Quote from: celticsclay on May 01, 2018, 01:01:34 PMQuote from: Moranis on May 01, 2018, 11:54:09 AMQuote from: Fafnir on May 01, 2018, 11:45:14 AMI expect the Raptors to win. LBJ exhausted himself to beat a lesser team in the Pacers. He's going to get worn down against the Raptors.Meanwhile the Cavs defense is bad, and they aren't as susceptible to the junk high double like Oladipo was. If you try that against he Raptors as more than a change up mid game they'll pick you apart.The Raptors are a jump shooting team. They have no one with the ball skills that Oladipo has. Thus, the Cavs below average defense will be much more suited to stopping the Raptors then they were to stopping the Pacers. The Raptors also have no one that can even pretend to guard James. The Pacers could give him a lot of strong and varied defensive looks, the Raptors can't. What do you think of the Cavs being 6.5 point underdogs tonight? 3.5 to 1 to win the east? I know you were regularly referencing the odds earlier in the season when Cleveland was the favorite. They now have the 3rd worst odds of winning the east of the teams left (only ahead of us and our missing 3 starters). I am genuinely curious why you think the oddsmakers have turned on them when they have been the darlings of lines ever since Lebron returned to Cleveland.They should be underdogs regardless but this is a case where I believes the odds are being heavily influenced by the public narrative. The odds makers are trying to ensure that they can profit on both sides of the spread. The Philly winning streak, Toronto being a convincing #1 seed, and the drama in Cleveland all came together to influence the betting lines. ESPN coverage is painting a picture of LeBron having his back against the wall. This is true but over exaggerated IMIO. This is a flawed comparison on my part but the 2010 NBA playoff odds come to mind. Deep down I always had faith in the Celtics ability to "flip the switch". I also didn't think the competition in the East was particularly strong. The regular season was mediocre by the Celtics standards and they went into the playoffs at +400 to win the East. I don't bet on my own team but I thought those were excellent odds at the time. Realistically I think a +4.5 line would be more realistic for the Cavs on the road.
Quote from: Moranis on May 01, 2018, 11:54:09 AMQuote from: Fafnir on May 01, 2018, 11:45:14 AMI expect the Raptors to win. LBJ exhausted himself to beat a lesser team in the Pacers. He's going to get worn down against the Raptors.Meanwhile the Cavs defense is bad, and they aren't as susceptible to the junk high double like Oladipo was. If you try that against he Raptors as more than a change up mid game they'll pick you apart.The Raptors are a jump shooting team. They have no one with the ball skills that Oladipo has. Thus, the Cavs below average defense will be much more suited to stopping the Raptors then they were to stopping the Pacers. The Raptors also have no one that can even pretend to guard James. The Pacers could give him a lot of strong and varied defensive looks, the Raptors can't. What do you think of the Cavs being 6.5 point underdogs tonight? 3.5 to 1 to win the east? I know you were regularly referencing the odds earlier in the season when Cleveland was the favorite. They now have the 3rd worst odds of winning the east of the teams left (only ahead of us and our missing 3 starters). I am genuinely curious why you think the oddsmakers have turned on them when they have been the darlings of lines ever since Lebron returned to Cleveland.
Quote from: Fafnir on May 01, 2018, 11:45:14 AMI expect the Raptors to win. LBJ exhausted himself to beat a lesser team in the Pacers. He's going to get worn down against the Raptors.Meanwhile the Cavs defense is bad, and they aren't as susceptible to the junk high double like Oladipo was. If you try that against he Raptors as more than a change up mid game they'll pick you apart.The Raptors are a jump shooting team. They have no one with the ball skills that Oladipo has. Thus, the Cavs below average defense will be much more suited to stopping the Raptors then they were to stopping the Pacers. The Raptors also have no one that can even pretend to guard James. The Pacers could give him a lot of strong and varied defensive looks, the Raptors can't.
I expect the Raptors to win. LBJ exhausted himself to beat a lesser team in the Pacers. He's going to get worn down against the Raptors.Meanwhile the Cavs defense is bad, and they aren't as susceptible to the junk high double like Oladipo was. If you try that against he Raptors as more than a change up mid game they'll pick you apart.
4 missed shots
How was that not a flagrant under today’s rules?
LOL same old choking Raptors You just know Lebron will hit one at the buzzer to win it now.
