Rozier and Yabu similarities

[Chris]

Yabu kind of reminds me of Leon Powe in his development.  Came into the league a physical specimen with really good instincts but basically no awareness of what he was doing out on the court.  Powe was basically unplayable his first year and a half in any real capacity, because when you asked him to do anything within the system he either slowed down as he thought it through, or he simply missed his rotations.  But then suddenly it clicked, and he was able to unleash his talents because he knew what he was doing. 

That is the same progression I have seen with Yabu so far.  Super raw, and clearly thinking things through early in the season, but now that he has come back he is starting to react rather than think, and you are starting to see the impact he can have with his unique skills and instincts. 

I don't think he is ready yet, but he has shown enough in these last few games that I think it is very possible that he could legitimately be counted on next year to fill in for either Baynes or Monroe, one of whom might have to go to stay under the tax.

[SHAQATTACK]

both like pizza...one eats a  pizza , the other two extra large supremes ?

[Vermont Green]

Unfortunately, I see more James Young than Terry Rozier in Yabusele so far.  He is a big guy and yes, development can vary, especially for bigs but he has a way to go from what I see on the court so far.  These guys are really young.  I remember how bad Avery Bradley looked at first but you could tell he was an NBA athlete.  I would say Yabusele is on the fringe, could go either way.  It took Chauncy Billups a long time too.

[footey]

Unfortunately, I see more James Young than Terry Rozier in Yabusele so far.  He is a big guy and yes, development can vary, especially for bigs but he has a way to go from what I see on the court so far.  These guys are really young.  I remember how bad Avery Bradley looked at first but you could tell he was an NBA athlete.  I would say Yabusele is on the fringe, could go either way.  It took Chauncy Billups a long time too.

I saw a lot of James young in Terry Rozier ‘s first year too. Point is it is silly to project a guy his first season who hardly gets much playing time. Next year will tell us what Yabu can or cannot become.

[Chris]

Unfortunately, I see more James Young than Terry Rozier in Yabusele so far.  He is a big guy and yes, development can vary, especially for bigs but he has a way to go from what I see on the court so far.  These guys are really young.  I remember how bad Avery Bradley looked at first but you could tell he was an NBA athlete.  I would say Yabusele is on the fringe, could go either way.  It took Chauncy Billups a long time too.

The problem with Young is that I can never remember seeing NBA level skills from him.  He was supposed to be some great shooter, but that was all potential and not anything realized.  He was not a good shooter in college, and he never shot well in the NBA.  Besides that, he didn't really do anything else that even seemed close to average.  He was a classic case of a guy who had a projectable body and athleticism and decent shooting mechanics, but nothing to show for it.

Yabu on the other hand has already shown very good ball skills for a guy his size, super quick feet, the ability to hit threes, and the ability to attack closeouts.  He has not yet shown how to stitch those plays together, but those are all significant skills for a player his size, that you just didn't have with Young. 

[nickagneta]

Yabu kind of reminds me of Leon Powe in his development.  Came into the league a physical specimen with really good instincts but basically no awareness of what he was doing out on the court.  Powe was basically unplayable his first year and a half in any real capacity, because when you asked him to do anything within the system he either slowed down as he thought it through, or he simply missed his rotations.  But then suddenly it clicked, and he was able to unleash his talents because he knew what he was doing. 

That is the same progression I have seen with Yabu so far.  Super raw, and clearly thinking things through early in the season, but now that he has come back he is starting to react rather than think, and you are starting to see the impact he can have with his unique skills and instincts. 

I don't think he is ready yet, but he has shown enough in these last few games that I think it is very possible that he could legitimately be counted on next year to fill in for either Baynes or Monroe, one of whom might have to go to stay under the tax.

TP this is right on. Not sure about the relying on him to supplant Monroe or Baynes next year but otherwise, I agree. I think he has excellent upside, he just needs the game to become natural for him.

[Chris]

Yabu kind of reminds me of Leon Powe in his development.  Came into the league a physical specimen with really good instincts but basically no awareness of what he was doing out on the court.  Powe was basically unplayable his first year and a half in any real capacity, because when you asked him to do anything within the system he either slowed down as he thought it through, or he simply missed his rotations.  But then suddenly it clicked, and he was able to unleash his talents because he knew what he was doing. 

That is the same progression I have seen with Yabu so far.  Super raw, and clearly thinking things through early in the season, but now that he has come back he is starting to react rather than think, and you are starting to see the impact he can have with his unique skills and instincts. 

I don't think he is ready yet, but he has shown enough in these last few games that I think it is very possible that he could legitimately be counted on next year to fill in for either Baynes or Monroe, one of whom might have to go to stay under the tax.

TP this is right on. Not sure about the relying on him to supplant Monroe or Baynes next year but otherwise, I agree. I think he has excellent upside, he just needs the game to become natural for him.

Well, I should be clear that part of the thinking about next year is that Theis will be back, and Hayward/Tatum will likely be playing more PF as well.  So, realistically there might only be room for one of Baynes and Monroe in the top 10 anyways.  So, you keep one of those guys as basically your backup center (assuming they start Kyrie, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, Horford), and then you have Theis as basically your 4th big and you hope that Yabu can be your 5th big.  This isn't even counting Morris.

[Celtics4ever]

Both were the #16 picks in the first round. Both were drafted ahead of their perceived position. Both were extremely raw picks with high upsides.

 Rozier has really came through in his fourth year, as a result I'm giving Yabu four years to prove himself as well. Yabu is even more raw than Terry, but does have a freakish body and skillset.

 Hopefully Yabu turns the corner just like Rozier did.

Holy Grasping at straws Batman.

[nickagneta]

Yabu kind of reminds me of Leon Powe in his development.  Came into the league a physical specimen with really good instincts but basically no awareness of what he was doing out on the court.  Powe was basically unplayable his first year and a half in any real capacity, because when you asked him to do anything within the system he either slowed down as he thought it through, or he simply missed his rotations.  But then suddenly it clicked, and he was able to unleash his talents because he knew what he was doing. 

That is the same progression I have seen with Yabu so far.  Super raw, and clearly thinking things through early in the season, but now that he has come back he is starting to react rather than think, and you are starting to see the impact he can have with his unique skills and instincts. 

I don't think he is ready yet, but he has shown enough in these last few games that I think it is very possible that he could legitimately be counted on next year to fill in for either Baynes or Monroe, one of whom might have to go to stay under the tax.

TP this is right on. Not sure about the relying on him to supplant Monroe or Baynes next year but otherwise, I agree. I think he has excellent upside, he just needs the game to become natural for him.

Well, I should be clear that part of the thinking about next year is that Theis will be back, and Hayward/Tatum will likely be playing more PF as well.  So, realistically there might only be room for one of Baynes and Monroe in the top 10 anyways.  So, you keep one of those guys as basically your backup center (assuming they start Kyrie, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, Horford), and then you have Theis as basically your 4th big and you hope that Yabu can be your 5th big.  This isn't even counting Morris.

Ahhhh, yeah that makes sense.

[ChillyWilly]

Yabu kind of reminds me of Leon Powe in his development.  Came into the league a physical specimen with really good instincts but basically no awareness of what he was doing out on the court.  Powe was basically unplayable his first year and a half in any real capacity, because when you asked him to do anything within the system he either slowed down as he thought it through, or he simply missed his rotations.  But then suddenly it clicked, and he was able to unleash his talents because he knew what he was doing. 

That is the same progression I have seen with Yabu so far.  Super raw, and clearly thinking things through early in the season, but now that he has come back he is starting to react rather than think, and you are starting to see the impact he can have with his unique skills and instincts. 

I don't think he is ready yet, but he has shown enough in these last few games that I think it is very possible that he could legitimately be counted on next year to fill in for either Baynes or Monroe, one of whom might have to go to stay under the tax.

And this is why I don't get the hype. Leon Powe was out of the league by age 27 and was never in any season a net positive on either end of the floor. After his 3 underwhelming seasons in Boston his career fizzled out.

I believe Powe was more talented than Yabu. Powe won a ring and had a couple games during his career which I guess is pretty good for a bottom 2nd round pick but really is this the projection we can get all hot and bothered over?

[Thruthelookingglass]

Rozier has really came through in his fourth year, as a result I'm giving Yabu four years to prove himself as well. Yabu is even more raw than Terry, but does have a freakish body and skillset.

 Hopefully Yabu turns the corner just like Rozier did.

More than turning the corner, I'm hoping for the Dancing Bear to explode into the French version of The Freak.  A French Freak if you will.

[KG Living Legend]

 For a  Man that's around 275 pounds, he can get off his feet with ease.

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[mr. dee]

Yabu kind of reminds me of Leon Powe in his development.  Came into the league a physical specimen with really good instincts but basically no awareness of what he was doing out on the court.  Powe was basically unplayable his first year and a half in any real capacity, because when you asked him to do anything within the system he either slowed down as he thought it through, or he simply missed his rotations.  But then suddenly it clicked, and he was able to unleash his talents because he knew what he was doing. 

That is the same progression I have seen with Yabu so far.  Super raw, and clearly thinking things through early in the season, but now that he has come back he is starting to react rather than think, and you are starting to see the impact he can have with his unique skills and instincts. 

I don't think he is ready yet, but he has shown enough in these last few games that I think it is very possible that he could legitimately be counted on next year to fill in for either Baynes or Monroe, one of whom might have to go to stay under the tax.

And this is why I don't get the hype. Leon Powe was out of the league by age 27 and was never in any season a net positive on either end of the floor. After his 3 underwhelming seasons in Boston his career fizzled out.

I believe Powe was more talented than Yabu. Powe won a ring and had a couple games during his career which I guess is pretty good for a bottom 2nd round pick but really is this the projection we can get all hot and bothered over?

Leon Powe had a glass body, unfortunately. Yabu have shown any signs of significant injury yet, aside from the ankle he hurt last season in CBA. While Powe is a solid player, he's very limited. He's very good for his role, but he isn't exactly versatile like Yabu have shown in flashes.

While the bear isn't exactly the biggest leaper, he makes up for it with his lateral agility, long reach and sturdy wide frame. Yabu is also a miles better shooter than Powe. He's the jack-of-all-trades big that fits CBS system.

[nickagneta]

Yabu kind of reminds me of Leon Powe in his development.  Came into the league a physical specimen with really good instincts but basically no awareness of what he was doing out on the court.  Powe was basically unplayable his first year and a half in any real capacity, because when you asked him to do anything within the system he either slowed down as he thought it through, or he simply missed his rotations.  But then suddenly it clicked, and he was able to unleash his talents because he knew what he was doing. 

That is the same progression I have seen with Yabu so far.  Super raw, and clearly thinking things through early in the season, but now that he has come back he is starting to react rather than think, and you are starting to see the impact he can have with his unique skills and instincts. 

I don't think he is ready yet, but he has shown enough in these last few games that I think it is very possible that he could legitimately be counted on next year to fill in for either Baynes or Monroe, one of whom might have to go to stay under the tax.

And this is why I don't get the hype. Leon Powe was out of the league by age 27 and was never in any season a net positive on either end of the floor. After his 3 underwhelming seasons in Boston his career fizzled out.

I believe Powe was more talented than Yabu. Powe won a ring and had a couple games during his career which I guess is pretty good for a bottom 2nd round pick but really is this the projection we can get all hot and bothered over?

Leon Powe in 2007-08 and 2008-09 was one heck of a bench player. Great offensive rebounder. PER from 17-20. Reb% in the 17-18% area. Way above average defender. Great garbage man. Just the type of big you want coming off your bench.

His tremendous drop off and early exit from the league was all injury driven. He hurt the same knee he did in college and was never the same.

[SHAQATTACK]

Rozier has really came through in his fourth year, as a result I'm giving Yabu four years to prove himself as well. Yabu is even more raw than Terry, but does have a freakish body and skillset.

 Hopefully Yabu turns the corner just like Rozier did.

More than turning the corner, I'm hoping for the Dancing Bear to explode into the French version of The Freak.  A French Freak if you will.

LOL ..at first glance ...i thought you said exploding French Fry ..