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Re: Bradley to OKC? (Rumor)
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Re: Bradley to OKC? (Rumor)
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2018, 10:52:01 AM »

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And what does OKC have in trade value good enough to snag Bradley?

Roberson.

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Bradley is certainly more valuable than Roberson, even if Roberson wasn't injured. The Clippers would rightfully demand more than that for Bradley.

But I would love to see Bradley on the Thunder, he'd be a great fit there.

Yeah but Bradley's on an expiring contract. 3 months of Bradley is not worth more than a player signed to a good contract for several years.

I love Roberson, but his trade value is not that high. Clippers also are going to either full on rebuild, or try to re-tool. The last thing Doc Rivers really wants to do is give up one of his favorite players to coach, for a player that is hard to measurably increase his potential because of major flaws in his game. He may be signed reasonably, but that is because he literally cannot do anything except but defend. He is shooting 22% from 3PA. He cannot pass, and he cannot score. I love Roberson, I love watching him on defense, and I believe he will 100% bounce back and still show others that he is capable of reaching his All-Defensive team skillset once again.

OKC has no first round pick this year, their second rounder is going to be absolute garbage, and other than Ferguson, or Grant, who else is even worth taking a flier on?

Bradley also said he wanted a more featured role, which he wasn't going to get in Boston, and now it is looking like with Jackson out, the Pistons don't see much use for Bradley since he has reverted to the Bad Bradley in Boston. (The long pull up 2's that can't go in, lazy defense, and missing easy shots.)

It TRULY ASTONISHES me how we tend to OVER rate AB.  He has a 10.00 PER this year.  He is shooting 40.9% overall.  He is rated 77th out of 104 PG in defensive RPM.

On the other hand, Roberson is an 11.1 PER this year and he is shooting 53.7% and he has the HIGHEST rated defensive PER among SG's!!!

Matter of fact, Roberson has the 2nd highest defensive RPM in the ENTIRE NBA!!!

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM


Maybe it is what MOST do NOT know about Roberson combined with us remembering Avery with us and BEFORE he paid out over $400K in hush money!!

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I don't get your point to be honest. Bradley has always been an anomaly even during his tenure with Boston. He was terrible defensively, and he wasn't even that great of an scorer, but you can bet your money that he gave Lillard, Westbrook and Curry absolute problems on the court when he was on defense.

I like Roberson, and in my original post you quoted, I kept talking about Roberson glowingly. But Roberson doesn't have to do anything else on offense, besides back door cuts through Zip Thunder plays or double screens for easy lay ins. He literally only has to defend, and when you only have to defend, you can allow yourself to exert more energy on that specific end. Do you watch any OKC games, like at all? Because Roberson literally stands in the corner like a PF (even though he cannot shoot anything, and his FT% is Jaylen Brown territority), and is unable to make any plays, because his ball handling is really bad, and he has a tendency to always go right when he drives, which gets him stripped quite easily.

It probably isn't well-known, but Roberson has played the 4 and small-ball 5 his entire life untill he came to the NBA. He was basically already pampered to become another small 4 and 5 tweener that couldn't shoot. He set more screens last year as a SG and was statistically one of the best rebounding SG's.

But like I said.... Why would the Clippers take on someone like Roberson? And why would OKC even give up Roberson, who Westbrook and Adams are very close with?
 
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Re: Bradley to OKC? (Rumor)
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2018, 10:54:12 AM »

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And what does OKC have in trade value good enough to snag Bradley?

Roberson.

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Bradley is certainly more valuable than Roberson, even if Roberson wasn't injured. The Clippers would rightfully demand more than that for Bradley.

But I would love to see Bradley on the Thunder, he'd be a great fit there.

Yeah but Bradley's on an expiring contract. 3 months of Bradley is not worth more than a player signed to a good contract for several years.

I love Roberson, but his trade value is not that high. Clippers also are going to either full on rebuild, or try to re-tool. The last thing Doc Rivers really wants to do is give up one of his favorite players to coach, for a player that is hard to measurably increase his potential because of major flaws in his game. He may be signed reasonably, but that is because he literally cannot do anything except but defend. He is shooting 22% from 3PA. He cannot pass, and he cannot score. I love Roberson, I love watching him on defense, and I believe he will 100% bounce back and still show others that he is capable of reaching his All-Defensive team skillset once again.

OKC has no first round pick this year, their second rounder is going to be absolute garbage, and other than Ferguson, or Grant, who else is even worth taking a flier on?

Bradley also said he wanted a more featured role, which he wasn't going to get in Boston, and now it is looking like with Jackson out, the Pistons don't see much use for Bradley since he has reverted to the Bad Bradley in Boston. (The long pull up 2's that can't go in, lazy defense, and missing easy shots.)

It TRULY ASTONISHES me how we tend to OVER rate AB.  He has a 10.00 PER this year.  He is shooting 40.9% overall.  He is rated 77th out of 104 PG in defensive RPM.

On the other hand, Roberson is an 11.1 PER this year and he is shooting 53.7% and he has the HIGHEST rated defensive PER among SG's!!!

Matter of fact, Roberson has the 2nd highest defensive RPM in the ENTIRE NBA!!!

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM


Maybe it is what MOST do NOT know about Roberson combined with us remembering Avery with us and BEFORE he paid out over $400K in hush money!!

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Numbers aside, Avery has the ability to raise his game and shut down other guards.  He is one of the key reasons we got two wins in Golden State over the past years, and we all watched how he matched or even bested Jimmy Butler in the Chicago series last year.

Re: Bradley to OKC? (Rumor)
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2018, 11:04:07 AM »

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Trade 1 - Jordan, Harrell for Adams
Trade 2 - Bradley for Singler, Huestis, Collison
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Re: Bradley to OKC? (Rumor)
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2018, 11:15:55 AM »

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And what does OKC have in trade value good enough to snag Bradley?

Roberson.

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Bradley is certainly more valuable than Roberson, even if Roberson wasn't injured. The Clippers would rightfully demand more than that for Bradley.

But I would love to see Bradley on the Thunder, he'd be a great fit there.

Yeah but Bradley's on an expiring contract. 3 months of Bradley is not worth more than a player signed to a good contract for several years.

I love Roberson, but his trade value is not that high. Clippers also are going to either full on rebuild, or try to re-tool. The last thing Doc Rivers really wants to do is give up one of his favorite players to coach, for a player that is hard to measurably increase his potential because of major flaws in his game. He may be signed reasonably, but that is because he literally cannot do anything except but defend. He is shooting 22% from 3PA. He cannot pass, and he cannot score. I love Roberson, I love watching him on defense, and I believe he will 100% bounce back and still show others that he is capable of reaching his All-Defensive team skillset once again.

OKC has no first round pick this year, their second rounder is going to be absolute garbage, and other than Ferguson, or Grant, who else is even worth taking a flier on?

Bradley also said he wanted a more featured role, which he wasn't going to get in Boston, and now it is looking like with Jackson out, the Pistons don't see much use for Bradley since he has reverted to the Bad Bradley in Boston. (The long pull up 2's that can't go in, lazy defense, and missing easy shots.)

It TRULY ASTONISHES me how we tend to OVER rate AB.  He has a 10.00 PER this year.  He is shooting 40.9% overall.  He is rated 77th out of 104 PG in defensive RPM.

On the other hand, Roberson is an 11.1 PER this year and he is shooting 53.7% and he has the HIGHEST rated defensive PER among SG's!!!

Matter of fact, Roberson has the 2nd highest defensive RPM in the ENTIRE NBA!!!

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM


Maybe it is what MOST do NOT know about Roberson combined with us remembering Avery with us and BEFORE he paid out over $400K in hush money!!

Smitty77
On his podcast, Nate Duncan said Bradley was possibly the most overrated player in the league.  His defense has declined these past couple seasons and he's not very switchable.  Offensively, he's very limited.  Pretty good shooter but not much else.  Plus he's injury prone. 

Re: Bradley to OKC? (Rumor)
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2018, 11:27:50 AM »

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Re: Bradley to OKC? (Rumor)
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2018, 11:34:31 AM »

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« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2018, 12:28:37 PM »

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Trade 1 - Jordan, Harrell for Adams
Trade 2 - Bradley for Singler, Huestis, Collison

Jordan for Adams is a nonstarter for me. They have surprisingly similar numbers and Adams age suggests he can still improve his game.
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« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2018, 01:03:13 PM »

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Trade 1 - Jordan, Harrell for Adams
Trade 2 - Bradley for Singler, Huestis, Collison

Jordan for Adams is a nonstarter for me. They have surprisingly similar numbers and Adams age suggests he can still improve his game.
sure and Adams is signed long term which is why they include Harrell and do the second trade
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« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2018, 01:09:57 PM »

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Trade 1 - Jordan, Harrell for Adams
Trade 2 - Bradley for Singler, Huestis, Collison

Jordan for Adams is a nonstarter for me. They have surprisingly similar numbers and Adams age suggests he can still improve his game.

Adams is really the perfect player for Westbrook and the age difference is substantial considering how much Jordan relies on athleticism. Second trade would be great for them (though I wonder how they would feel trading collison as a throw in given his tenure and role in the locker room)

Re: Bradley to OKC? (Rumor)
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2018, 01:11:14 PM »

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And what does OKC have in trade value good enough to snag Bradley?

Roberson.

Smitty77

Bradley is certainly more valuable than Roberson, even if Roberson wasn't injured. The Clippers would rightfully demand more than that for Bradley.

But I would love to see Bradley on the Thunder, he'd be a great fit there.

Yeah but Bradley's on an expiring contract. 3 months of Bradley is not worth more than a player signed to a good contract for several years.

I love Roberson, but his trade value is not that high. Clippers also are going to either full on rebuild, or try to re-tool. The last thing Doc Rivers really wants to do is give up one of his favorite players to coach, for a player that is hard to measurably increase his potential because of major flaws in his game. He may be signed reasonably, but that is because he literally cannot do anything except but defend. He is shooting 22% from 3PA. He cannot pass, and he cannot score. I love Roberson, I love watching him on defense, and I believe he will 100% bounce back and still show others that he is capable of reaching his All-Defensive team skillset once again.

OKC has no first round pick this year, their second rounder is going to be absolute garbage, and other than Ferguson, or Grant, who else is even worth taking a flier on?

Bradley also said he wanted a more featured role, which he wasn't going to get in Boston, and now it is looking like with Jackson out, the Pistons don't see much use for Bradley since he has reverted to the Bad Bradley in Boston. (The long pull up 2's that can't go in, lazy defense, and missing easy shots.)

It TRULY ASTONISHES me how we tend to OVER rate AB.  He has a 10.00 PER this year.  He is shooting 40.9% overall.  He is rated 77th out of 104 PG in defensive RPM.

On the other hand, Roberson is an 11.1 PER this year and he is shooting 53.7% and he has the HIGHEST rated defensive PER among SG's!!!

Matter of fact, Roberson has the 2nd highest defensive RPM in the ENTIRE NBA!!!

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM


Maybe it is what MOST do NOT know about Roberson combined with us remembering Avery with us and BEFORE he paid out over $400K in hush money!!

Smitty77

I don't get your point to be honest. Bradley has always been an anomaly even during his tenure with Boston. He was terrible defensively, and he wasn't even that great of an scorer, but you can bet your money that he gave Lillard, Westbrook and Curry absolute problems on the court when he was on defense.

I like Roberson, and in my original post you quoted, I kept talking about Roberson glowingly. But Roberson doesn't have to do anything else on offense, besides back door cuts through Zip Thunder plays or double screens for easy lay ins. He literally only has to defend, and when you only have to defend, you can allow yourself to exert more energy on that specific end. Do you watch any OKC games, like at all? Because Roberson literally stands in the corner like a PF (even though he cannot shoot anything, and his FT% is Jaylen Brown territority), and is unable to make any plays, because his ball handling is really bad, and he has a tendency to always go right when he drives, which gets him stripped quite easily.

It probably isn't well-known, but Roberson has played the 4 and small-ball 5 his entire life untill he came to the NBA. He was basically already pampered to become another small 4 and 5 tweener that couldn't shoot. He set more screens last year as a SG and was statistically one of the best rebounding SG's.

But like I said.... Why would the Clippers take on someone like Roberson? And why would OKC even give up Roberson, who Westbrook and Adams are very close with?

Not exactly sure why and how you don't get my point about AB.  That being said, I value your opinion and you made some great points here!!

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Re: Bradley to OKC? (Rumor)
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2018, 01:29:20 PM »

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And what does OKC have in trade value good enough to snag Bradley?

Roberson.

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Bradley is certainly more valuable than Roberson, even if Roberson wasn't injured. The Clippers would rightfully demand more than that for Bradley.

But I would love to see Bradley on the Thunder, he'd be a great fit there.

Yeah but Bradley's on an expiring contract. 3 months of Bradley is not worth more than a player signed to a good contract for several years.

I love Roberson, but his trade value is not that high. Clippers also are going to either full on rebuild, or try to re-tool. The last thing Doc Rivers really wants to do is give up one of his favorite players to coach, for a player that is hard to measurably increase his potential because of major flaws in his game. He may be signed reasonably, but that is because he literally cannot do anything except but defend. He is shooting 22% from 3PA. He cannot pass, and he cannot score. I love Roberson, I love watching him on defense, and I believe he will 100% bounce back and still show others that he is capable of reaching his All-Defensive team skillset once again.

OKC has no first round pick this year, their second rounder is going to be absolute garbage, and other than Ferguson, or Grant, who else is even worth taking a flier on?

Bradley also said he wanted a more featured role, which he wasn't going to get in Boston, and now it is looking like with Jackson out, the Pistons don't see much use for Bradley since he has reverted to the Bad Bradley in Boston. (The long pull up 2's that can't go in, lazy defense, and missing easy shots.)

It TRULY ASTONISHES me how we tend to OVER rate AB.  He has a 10.00 PER this year.  He is shooting 40.9% overall.  He is rated 77th out of 104 PG in defensive RPM.

On the other hand, Roberson is an 11.1 PER this year and he is shooting 53.7% and he has the HIGHEST rated defensive PER among SG's!!!

Matter of fact, Roberson has the 2nd highest defensive RPM in the ENTIRE NBA!!!

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM


Maybe it is what MOST do NOT know about Roberson combined with us remembering Avery with us and BEFORE he paid out over $400K in hush money!!

Smitty77

I don't get your point to be honest. Bradley has always been an anomaly even during his tenure with Boston. He was terrible defensively, and he wasn't even that great of an scorer, but you can bet your money that he gave Lillard, Westbrook and Curry absolute problems on the court when he was on defense.

I like Roberson, and in my original post you quoted, I kept talking about Roberson glowingly. But Roberson doesn't have to do anything else on offense, besides back door cuts through Zip Thunder plays or double screens for easy lay ins. He literally only has to defend, and when you only have to defend, you can allow yourself to exert more energy on that specific end. Do you watch any OKC games, like at all? Because Roberson literally stands in the corner like a PF (even though he cannot shoot anything, and his FT% is Jaylen Brown territority), and is unable to make any plays, because his ball handling is really bad, and he has a tendency to always go right when he drives, which gets him stripped quite easily.

It probably isn't well-known, but Roberson has played the 4 and small-ball 5 his entire life untill he came to the NBA. He was basically already pampered to become another small 4 and 5 tweener that couldn't shoot. He set more screens last year as a SG and was statistically one of the best rebounding SG's.

But like I said.... Why would the Clippers take on someone like Roberson? And why would OKC even give up Roberson, who Westbrook and Adams are very close with?

Not exactly sure why and how you don't get my point about AB.  That being said, I value your opinion and you made some great points here!!

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I do get your point. Bradley is an undersized overrated PG/SG tweener who cannot create his shot, handle the ball well enough, and isn't even that great at defending on team help defense, and constantly get lost in defensive rotations or picked off too easily on screens. He's also too injury prone, and his shoulder has been a constant pain in the butt waiting for him to stay healthy. He doesn't fit in our long term plans, because he isn't large or have the wingspan to switch comfortably on our team.

That being said, he is always fun to watch on ball defense especially with full court press, and he hasn't ever been a locker room issue. He has always been a professional from the start, and has improved over the years on rebounding, being able to pass out of picks, and improved his shooting.

But I do agree, Bradley has been overrated by us, but I also think its because Stevens knew what he had with Bradley. I don't think SVG knows how to hide or use Bradley's strengths and weaknesses. He just isn't that good of a coach.
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Re: Bradley to OKC? (Rumor)
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« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2018, 01:36:30 PM »

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And what does OKC have in trade value good enough to snag Bradley?

Roberson.

Smitty77

Bradley is certainly more valuable than Roberson, even if Roberson wasn't injured. The Clippers would rightfully demand more than that for Bradley.

But I would love to see Bradley on the Thunder, he'd be a great fit there.

Yeah but Bradley's on an expiring contract. 3 months of Bradley is not worth more than a player signed to a good contract for several years.

I love Roberson, but his trade value is not that high. Clippers also are going to either full on rebuild, or try to re-tool. The last thing Doc Rivers really wants to do is give up one of his favorite players to coach, for a player that is hard to measurably increase his potential because of major flaws in his game. He may be signed reasonably, but that is because he literally cannot do anything except but defend. He is shooting 22% from 3PA. He cannot pass, and he cannot score. I love Roberson, I love watching him on defense, and I believe he will 100% bounce back and still show others that he is capable of reaching his All-Defensive team skillset once again.

OKC has no first round pick this year, their second rounder is going to be absolute garbage, and other than Ferguson, or Grant, who else is even worth taking a flier on?

Bradley also said he wanted a more featured role, which he wasn't going to get in Boston, and now it is looking like with Jackson out, the Pistons don't see much use for Bradley since he has reverted to the Bad Bradley in Boston. (The long pull up 2's that can't go in, lazy defense, and missing easy shots.)


Doc is not calling the shots in LA anymore though, he's not the GM anymore, and he may not be around much longer as a coach either.

Re: Bradley to OKC? (Rumor)
« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2018, 02:29:57 PM »

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Trade 1 - Jordan, Harrell for Adams
Trade 2 - Bradley for Singler, Huestis, Collison

Jordan for Adams is a nonstarter for me. They have surprisingly similar numbers and Adams age suggests he can still improve his game.

Adams is really the perfect player for Westbrook and the age difference is substantial considering how much Jordan relies on athleticism. Second trade would be great for them (though I wonder how they would feel trading collison as a throw in given his tenure and role in the locker room)
it is really one trade but Bradley can only be traded alone so I separated them. That is why the first favors the Clippers and the second favors OKC
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