Even the shining star of the Republican Party, Ronald Reagan, gave amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants. Wonder what he would think about a shoot to kill policy and not giving DACA and their families a path to citizenship? Of course, Reagan would probably be a Democrat in today's political environment.
Its surprising to me that we're debating deporting a DACA or creating a path to citizenship when the initial problem of illegal immigration is still not solved. Do you also clean up the water from the overflowing toilet before shutting off the water? Whatever considerations you give to a DACA needs to be established after securing the border for good as to not have policy fuel more illegal immigration. I'm fine with keeping them here until then.Not sure what you mean by "securing the border for good". You're never going to be able to stop all illegal immigration. DACA and the overall illegal immigration issue needs to be worked together. There should be no issue with the policy fueling more illegal immigration because it would only apply to illegal immigrants that could prove they were already in the US before a certain date.
If you put an exception for one group of people, it stands a logical test that we'll repeat the same courtesy for the next batch. It's kind of like negotiating with terrorists in the sense that if you do it once you'll do it always. Best case scenario in my opinion is to secure the border as much as possible (shoot to kill if you have to) and then keep the DACAs and their families here, make them pay penalties, whatever taxes they didn't pay over their time but do not ever allow citizenship for them. We're partially to blame for their illegal immigration because we've been soft on it with this catch and release method. Just shoot them dead as you would a trespasser and they'll stop coming. They are not citizens and could be dangerous. We are only protecting our borders so no human rights violations.
This has been talked about at work. Everybody agrees here that the solution is just giving immigrants (not just the DREAMERS, but all illegal/undocumented) legal status with eventual path to citizenship. Of course, the conservative base doesn't want that. Some would say they don't want it unless they can secure the borders. Some don't want it, period.
But we focused the debate on the securing the borders thing. Now, we are not politicians, alright, we are just concerned people that wants a fix to the problem. We had an idea about this. . .
There's an estimated 11 million undocumented/illegals (I'm using both terms, I don't want to offend) in the country. Why not legalize them and charge them a fine for breaking the law?
If, say 5 million of the 11 million people pay a $1000 fine to be legalized, that's $5 BILLION the government can get. Whether it's a wall, a fence, more agents to enforce laws, or whatever it is they plan on doing, that should be able to fund it, or at the very least add to it.
Now the terms of legalization needs to be ironed out. They will be legal, but there are some things they can do that US citizens or Green Card holders can. Maybe they can't get Social Security benefits, or unemployment, and maybe some other government funded service except healthcare (we all agreed everyone should be able to get health care). They can't be a convicted felon. They have to learn English. They also have to pay their taxes once they became legal. Something like those, and some other things could be added too.
They did break the law, so we thought that, and paying a fine are a fair compromise. And that doesn't count as amnesty (not to us at least).
And they have to wait 15 years to be qualified for citizenship, and have to renew their legal status every 3 years, which means another $1000 fee, as well as they have to pass said requirements to be legal.
And the fine could be bigger too, if the government sees it as too small for the law that was broken.
Point is, the immigrants are going to pay for the wall, or whatever they want to put in the border. They pay for it, their status become legal.
I don't know. We think it's never going to happen, but we floated that idea at work and we think that's a sensible solution. But we aren't lawyers and politicians, so maybe this idea sucks too.
But I think we all can agree that this needs to be fixed now.