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Is Kyrie Irving A Legitimate, Bonafide Superstar In The NBA (In Your Books/Definition)?

Yes, Kyrie Irving Is A Legitimate (Bonafide) Superstar In This League
79 (74.5%)
No, I View Kyrie As A Legit All-Star, But A Fringe Superstar At Best Currently
27 (25.5%)

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Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #120 on: November 21, 2017, 10:58:34 PM »

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He was certainly a superstar last night.

Last night, yes.

But Isaiah had these kinds of nights too last season far often, but wasn't considered a superstar still.

Probably because IT was a 5'9" PG who didn't play any defense and was the 60th player picked in his draft. IT was always an overachiever with a ceiling cause of his lack of size who needed the perfect system built around him. While Kyrie was the #1 player in his draft and one of the most talented players in the league. I don't think I ever seen a player with a better handle than Kyrie. Kyrie is suppose to be one of the top players in the NBA and now has a team all to himself to show it. 

Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #121 on: November 22, 2017, 08:49:39 PM »

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He was certainly a superstar last night.

Last night, yes.

But Isaiah had these kinds of nights too last season far often, but wasn't considered a superstar still.

Probably because IT was a 5'9" PG who didn't play any defense and was the 60th player picked in his draft. IT was always an overachiever with a ceiling cause of his lack of size who needed the perfect system built around him. While Kyrie was the #1 player in his draft and one of the most talented players in the league. I don't think I ever seen a player with a better handle than Kyrie. Kyrie is suppose to be one of the top players in the NBA and now has a team all to himself to show it.

I agree and think it has more to do with defense.

Kyrie's playing elite defense (as stats show). If he wasn't playing defense like IT last year, there wouldn't be as much hype. That's a big difference IMHO.

Kyrie's scoring average a bit down, BUT his defense is statistically Top-15 in the entire league.  :o
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Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #122 on: November 30, 2017, 08:14:46 PM »

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Jalen Rose on First Take today, during the Lebron-to-Philly discussions, mentioned Kyrie and the Greek Freak as the 2nd and 3rd best players in the East while making a point in his argument.

Idk, being 2nd/3rd best in a conference sounds like "superstar" in my books, though I don't think so. (Voted "Legit All-Star, Only Fringe Superstar")

Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #123 on: November 30, 2017, 08:43:15 PM »

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i view him as an inter dimensional basketball wizard who is able to warp space and time to get buckets
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Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #124 on: November 30, 2017, 08:44:01 PM »

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i view him as an inter dimensional basketball wizard who is able to warp space and time to get buckets

Wrong team.

 ;)  :laugh:
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Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #125 on: November 30, 2017, 08:58:53 PM »

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i view him as an inter dimensional basketball wizard who is able to warp space and time to get buckets

Wrong team.

 ;)  :laugh:
ha
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Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #126 on: November 30, 2017, 09:49:34 PM »

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i view him as an inter dimensional basketball wizard who is able to warp space and time to get buckets

Wrong team.

 ;)  :laugh:
ha

 :P
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Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #127 on: November 30, 2017, 10:08:04 PM »

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Best ball handler in the history of the NBA.

Hyperbole?

I don't think so.

Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #128 on: November 30, 2017, 10:46:55 PM »

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We're a quarter of the way through the season, and it's real hard to argue he isn't one of the best players in the league right now. And he's played good ball both ways.

If that's not a superstar, I don't know what is.

Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #129 on: December 01, 2017, 08:28:15 AM »

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We're a quarter of the way through the season, and it's real hard to argue he isn't one of the best players in the league right now. And he's played good ball both ways.

If that's not a superstar, I don't know what is.

Do you consider Kyrie Top-10, Top-15 or Top-20 overall in league?

We had a "fun" debate about this yesterday on the game thread  :laugh:
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« Reply #130 on: December 01, 2017, 07:39:40 PM »

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i view him as an inter dimensional basketball wizard who is able to warp space and time to get buckets
I've been calling him The Wizard of Causeway street, in my head.
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« Reply #131 on: December 01, 2017, 07:52:30 PM »

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Though he takes complete control of the ball in closing minutes, it really seems to me that the ball touches more hands on each possession than it used to. He is scoring like nuts, at will, and in crunch time, and yet the whole team seems to be involved and engaged in the offense. It's not 48 minutes of high p/r.

It looks like the game is just slow to him; he never has to rush anything. Complete control.

We have a #1 guy who can win it all and makes the team better.

And he gives some fascinating interviews.

Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #132 on: December 01, 2017, 08:46:03 PM »

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We're a quarter of the way through the season, and it's real hard to argue he isn't one of the best players in the league right now. And he's played good ball both ways.

If that's not a superstar, I don't know what is.

He's playing on one of the best teams in the NBA, with a ton of support around him, and a wizard of a coach.  So it really depends how you define superstar.  If every team has one, for example, then sure.. he's a superstar.
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Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #133 on: December 01, 2017, 09:13:02 PM »

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We're a quarter of the way through the season, and it's real hard to argue he isn't one of the best players in the league right now. And he's played good ball both ways.

If that's not a superstar, I don't know what is.

He's playing on one of the best teams in the NBA, with a ton of support around him, and a wizard of a coach.  So it really depends how you define superstar.  If every team has one, for example, then sure.. he's a superstar.

Main difference is, Kyrie's playing MUCH better defense than Isaiah ever could.

But I mean, Isaiah was an MVP candidate last year too and averaged 29/6 (carried us to ECF as well), but no one considered him a superstar.
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Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #134 on: December 01, 2017, 10:16:24 PM »

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We're a quarter of the way through the season, and it's real hard to argue he isn't one of the best players in the league right now. And he's played good ball both ways.

If that's not a superstar, I don't know what is.

Do you consider Kyrie Top-10, Top-15 or Top-20 overall in league?

We had a "fun" debate about this yesterday on the game thread  :laugh:

Kyrie is a top 15 player. Through my green goggles, I think Kyrie's the 9th best player. I ranked the top 30 players.

Lebron
KD
Steph
Westbrook
Kawhi
Giannis
Anthony Davis
Harden
Kyrie
Cousins
Chris Paul
Lillard
Paul George
John Wall
KAT
IT
Porzingis
Marc Gasol
Jokic
Whiteside
Drummond
Gobert
Embiid
Klay
Lowry
Simmons
Hayward
Derozan
Blake Griffin
Horford


 

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