Smart's Shot Selection

[moiso]

Is it possible his aggressive physical defense interferes with with a more calculating ,finesse type of point guard-does his adrenaline level get jacked.
This guy feels no pain diving for loose balls ,no fear--i personally don't care because of his defense and little things he does plus the clutch factor
But i had hoped his shooting for numbers would improve

I think there is something to the “too jacked” theory as well.  I’m just trying to figure out how KG ever hit a jumper or free throw.

[droopdog7]

What's really nuts about there still being complaints about Smart's taking threes is that it's essentially based on a sample of one game, the opener. In the two games he's played since he went 3 for 7 and 2 for 6. In the preseason before that he was nails from three. In the postseason (and April) before that, ditto.

NO, its based off three full seasons of data suggesting he is one of the worst three point volumes shooter to ever chuck in the NBA. Now can that change? Yes, even bad shooter can become good shooters, its a skill that can improve for players. However he needs to do it for more than a couple games before he gets the benefit of the doubt. If he shoots league average FOR THE SEASON then we can revisit whether he should be shooting less than 8 seconds into the clock. Untill then then answer is no. He also needs to stop h=throwing one up every time he makes one and stop shooting off the dribble. Stick to the corners and the 4th quarter.

does this calculation take into account that smart has changed his shooting form during the off season?

i think his career long poor shooting may stem from a pair of factors: 1. poor shooting form. 2. poor shot selection. (while under pressure, not a good location, or end of clock.)

based upon games since changing his form, his 3 point shooting may be getting better WHEN he takes a good shot selection.

i believe smart is among the league leaders in taking last second 3 pointers with time running out. i remember some discussion here about that. that doesnt kill his shooting percentages, but it certainly doesnt boost them

also, from the corners, smart is above nba average for 3 pointers for his career. so, he is a good 3 point shooting in the RIGHT situation.

why he insists upon putting up shots from bad locations on the floor (for him) is the puzzler for me.

given the changes in his shooting form and the sss on this season's 3 pointers, i am content to wait and see on this.

Man, that’s an awful lot of qualifications.  You almost have to write a dissertation to explain how smart almost, maybe, could possibly be a good shooter.

[Green-18]

What's really nuts about there still being complaints about Smart's taking threes is that it's essentially based on a sample of one game, the opener. In the two games he's played since he went 3 for 7 and 2 for 6. In the preseason before that he was nails from three. In the postseason (and April) before that, ditto.

NO, its based off three full seasons of data suggesting he is one of the worst three point volumes shooter to ever chuck in the NBA. Now can that change? Yes, even bad shooter can become good shooters, its a skill that can improve for players. However he needs to do it for more than a couple games before he gets the benefit of the doubt. If he shoots league average FOR THE SEASON then we can revisit whether he should be shooting less than 8 seconds into the clock. Untill then then answer is no. He also needs to stop h=throwing one up every time he makes one and stop shooting off the dribble. Stick to the corners and the 4th quarter.

does this calculation take into account that smart has changed his shooting form during the off season?

i think his career long poor shooting may stem from a pair of factors: 1. poor shooting form. 2. poor shot selection. (while under pressure, not a good location, or end of clock.)

based upon games since changing his form, his 3 point shooting may be getting better WHEN he takes a good shot selection.

i believe smart is among the league leaders in taking last second 3 pointers with time running out. i remember some discussion here about that. that doesnt kill his shooting percentages, but it certainly doesnt boost them

also, from the corners, smart is above nba average for 3 pointers for his career. so, he is a good 3 point shooting in the RIGHT situation.

why he insists upon putting up shots from bad locations on the floor (for him) is the puzzler for me.

given the changes in his shooting form and the sss on this season's 3 pointers, i am content to wait and see on this.

Man, that’s an awful lot of qualifications.  You almost have to write a dissertation to explain how smart almost, maybe, could possibly be a good shooter.

What's really nuts about there still being complaints about Smart's taking threes is that it's essentially based on a sample of one game, the opener. In the two games he's played since he went 3 for 7 and 2 for 6. In the preseason before that he was nails from three. In the postseason (and April) before that, ditto.

NO, its based off three full seasons of data suggesting he is one of the worst three point volumes shooter to ever chuck in the NBA. Now can that change? Yes, even bad shooter can become good shooters, its a skill that can improve for players. However he needs to do it for more than a couple games before he gets the benefit of the doubt. If he shoots league average FOR THE SEASON then we can revisit whether he should be shooting less than 8 seconds into the clock. Untill then then answer is no. He also needs to stop h=throwing one up every time he makes one and stop shooting off the dribble. Stick to the corners and the 4th quarter.

does this calculation take into account that smart has changed his shooting form during the off season?

i think his career long poor shooting may stem from a pair of factors: 1. poor shooting form. 2. poor shot selection. (while under pressure, not a good location, or end of clock.)

based upon games since changing his form, his 3 point shooting may be getting better WHEN he takes a good shot selection.

i believe smart is among the league leaders in taking last second 3 pointers with time running out. i remember some discussion here about that. that doesnt kill his shooting percentages, but it certainly doesnt boost them

also, from the corners, smart is above nba average for 3 pointers for his career. so, he is a good 3 point shooting in the RIGHT situation.

why he insists upon putting up shots from bad locations on the floor (for him) is the puzzler for me.

given the changes in his shooting form and the sss on this season's 3 pointers, i am content to wait and see on this.

Man, that’s an awful lot of qualifications.  You almost have to write a dissertation to explain how smart almost, maybe, could possibly be a good shooter.

Here's an additional stat to validate Marcus as a clutch shooter.  Marcus is 14/31 in 4th quarter 3-point attempts over the last 2 postseasons.  Only 2 of those makes were in his 7/10 game against the Cavs. 

Also, during the last 5 minutes of games he shot 37% from 3 when the game was within 5 points or less.  This includes both the 2017 regular season and playoffs.  His percentage was still 35% in one possession games using this same criteria.  Only Horford shot a higher percentage.  Marcus also took the 3rd most attempts in these situations.  I get that these are very specific stats but it still shows that Marcus has a knack for coming up big when it matters most.

[hwangjini_1]

What's really nuts about there still being complaints about Smart's taking threes is that it's essentially based on a sample of one game, the opener. In the two games he's played since he went 3 for 7 and 2 for 6. In the preseason before that he was nails from three. In the postseason (and April) before that, ditto.

NO, its based off three full seasons of data suggesting he is one of the worst three point volumes shooter to ever chuck in the NBA. Now can that change? Yes, even bad shooter can become good shooters, its a skill that can improve for players. However he needs to do it for more than a couple games before he gets the benefit of the doubt. If he shoots league average FOR THE SEASON then we can revisit whether he should be shooting less than 8 seconds into the clock. Untill then then answer is no. He also needs to stop h=throwing one up every time he makes one and stop shooting off the dribble. Stick to the corners and the 4th quarter.

does this calculation take into account that smart has changed his shooting form during the off season?

i think his career long poor shooting may stem from a pair of factors: 1. poor shooting form. 2. poor shot selection. (while under pressure, not a good location, or end of clock.)

based upon games since changing his form, his 3 point shooting may be getting better WHEN he takes a good shot selection.

i believe smart is among the league leaders in taking last second 3 pointers with time running out. i remember some discussion here about that. that doesnt kill his shooting percentages, but it certainly doesnt boost them

also, from the corners, smart is above nba average for 3 pointers for his career. so, he is a good 3 point shooting in the RIGHT situation.

why he insists upon putting up shots from bad locations on the floor (for him) is the puzzler for me.

given the changes in his shooting form and the sss on this season's 3 pointers, i am content to wait and see on this.

Man, that’s an awful lot of qualifications.  You almost have to write a dissertation to explain how smart almost, maybe, could possibly be a good shooter.

yep, all of which is saying that it is too early to make definitive judgements. we simply do  not know for sure right now.

oh, and you should never write a dissertation to explain anything. you write a dissertation to answer a question. 

[IDreamCeltics]

What's really nuts about there still being complaints about Smart's taking threes is that it's essentially based on a sample of one game, the opener. In the two games he's played since he went 3 for 7 and 2 for 6. In the preseason before that he was nails from three. In the postseason (and April) before that, ditto.

NO, its based off three full seasons of data suggesting he is one of the worst three point volumes shooter to ever chuck in the NBA. Now can that change? Yes, even bad shooter can become good shooters, its a skill that can improve for players. However he needs to do it for more than a couple games before he gets the benefit of the doubt. If he shoots league average FOR THE SEASON then we can revisit whether he should be shooting less than 8 seconds into the clock. Untill then then answer is no. He also needs to stop h=throwing one up every time he makes one and stop shooting off the dribble. Stick to the corners and the 4th quarter.

does this calculation take into account that smart has changed his shooting form during the off season?

i think his career long poor shooting may stem from a pair of factors: 1. poor shooting form. 2. poor shot selection. (while under pressure, not a good location, or end of clock.)

based upon games since changing his form, his 3 point shooting may be getting better WHEN he takes a good shot selection.

i believe smart is among the league leaders in taking last second 3 pointers with time running out. i remember some discussion here about that. that doesnt kill his shooting percentages, but it certainly doesnt boost them

also, from the corners, smart is above nba average for 3 pointers for his career. so, he is a good 3 point shooting in the RIGHT situation.

why he insists upon putting up shots from bad locations on the floor (for him) is the puzzler for me.

given the changes in his shooting form and the sss on this season's 3 pointers, i am content to wait and see on this.

Man, that’s an awful lot of qualifications.  You almost have to write a dissertation to explain how smart almost, maybe, could possibly be a good shooter.

yep, all of which is saying that it is too early to make definitive judgements. we simply do  not know for sure right now.

oh, and you should never write a dissertation to explain anything. you write a dissertation to answer a question. 

We have plenty of evidence on what Smart is.  He's the same player as when we drafted him - an NBA caliber defensive/hustle player who is lacking offensive skills...

[Dino Pitino]

If he keeps going 2 for 6 from three, is that good or bad shot selection?

[nickagneta]

If he keeps going 2 for 6 from three, is that good or bad shot selection?

He threw up two bad 3 pointers last night. Both were early in the clock, heat check, 3 pointers taken right after he had hit a shot the previous time down the court. That's still bad shot selection on those plays.

[DooVoo]

What's really nuts about there still being complaints about Smart's taking threes is that it's essentially based on a sample of one game, the opener. In the two games he's played since he went 3 for 7 and 2 for 6. In the preseason before that he was nails from three. In the postseason (and April) before that, ditto.

NO, its based off three full seasons of data suggesting he is one of the worst three point volumes shooter to ever chuck in the NBA. Now can that change? Yes, even bad shooter can become good shooters, its a skill that can improve for players. However he needs to do it for more than a couple games before he gets the benefit of the doubt. If he shoots league average FOR THE SEASON then we can revisit whether he should be shooting less than 8 seconds into the clock. Untill then then answer is no. He also needs to stop h=throwing one up every time he makes one and stop shooting off the dribble. Stick to the corners and the 4th quarter.

does this calculation take into account that smart has changed his shooting form during the off season?

i think his career long poor shooting may stem from a pair of factors: 1. poor shooting form. 2. poor shot selection. (while under pressure, not a good location, or end of clock.)

based upon games since changing his form, his 3 point shooting may be getting better WHEN he takes a good shot selection.

i believe smart is among the league leaders in taking last second 3 pointers with time running out. i remember some discussion here about that. that doesnt kill his shooting percentages, but it certainly doesnt boost them

also, from the corners, smart is above nba average for 3 pointers for his career. so, he is a good 3 point shooting in the RIGHT situation.

why he insists upon putting up shots from bad locations on the floor (for him) is the puzzler for me.

given the changes in his shooting form and the sss on this season's 3 pointers, i am content to wait and see on this.

Man, that’s an awful lot of qualifications.  You almost have to write a dissertation to explain how smart almost, maybe, could possibly be a good shooter.

yep, all of which is saying that it is too early to make definitive judgements. we simply do  not know for sure right now.

oh, and you should never write a dissertation to explain anything. you write a dissertation to answer a question. 

We have plenty of evidence on what Smart is.  He's the same player as when we drafted him - an NBA caliber defensive/hustle player who is lacking offensive skills...

If you don't think he has improved offensively since they drafted him you aren't paying attention at all. He is involved far more in the offense than he was the last two years. And he is a little more than "NBA caliber" defensive player. All his defensive stats this year have been elite.

[Celtics4ever]

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If he keeps going 2 for 6 from three, is that good or bad shot selection?

32% bearable but not elite!

[Chris22]

Smart needs to realize that point guards who are bad shooters need to pass the ball.

[unclebay]

Smart needs to realize that point guards who are bad shooters need to pass the ball.

Might be the best passer on the team. Like... do you watch the games?

[unclebay]

What's really nuts about there still being complaints about Smart's taking threes is that it's essentially based on a sample of one game, the opener. In the two games he's played since he went 3 for 7 and 2 for 6. In the preseason before that he was nails from three. In the postseason (and April) before that, ditto.

NO, its based off three full seasons of data suggesting he is one of the worst three point volumes shooter to ever chuck in the NBA. Now can that change? Yes, even bad shooter can become good shooters, its a skill that can improve for players. However he needs to do it for more than a couple games before he gets the benefit of the doubt. If he shoots league average FOR THE SEASON then we can revisit whether he should be shooting less than 8 seconds into the clock. Untill then then answer is no. He also needs to stop h=throwing one up every time he makes one and stop shooting off the dribble. Stick to the corners and the 4th quarter.

does this calculation take into account that smart has changed his shooting form during the off season?

i think his career long poor shooting may stem from a pair of factors: 1. poor shooting form. 2. poor shot selection. (while under pressure, not a good location, or end of clock.)

based upon games since changing his form, his 3 point shooting may be getting better WHEN he takes a good shot selection.

i believe smart is among the league leaders in taking last second 3 pointers with time running out. i remember some discussion here about that. that doesnt kill his shooting percentages, but it certainly doesnt boost them

also, from the corners, smart is above nba average for 3 pointers for his career. so, he is a good 3 point shooting in the RIGHT situation.

why he insists upon putting up shots from bad locations on the floor (for him) is the puzzler for me.

given the changes in his shooting form and the sss on this season's 3 pointers, i am content to wait and see on this.

Man, that’s an awful lot of qualifications.  You almost have to write a dissertation to explain how smart almost, maybe, could possibly be a good shooter.

What's really nuts about there still being complaints about Smart's taking threes is that it's essentially based on a sample of one game, the opener. In the two games he's played since he went 3 for 7 and 2 for 6. In the preseason before that he was nails from three. In the postseason (and April) before that, ditto.

NO, its based off three full seasons of data suggesting he is one of the worst three point volumes shooter to ever chuck in the NBA. Now can that change? Yes, even bad shooter can become good shooters, its a skill that can improve for players. However he needs to do it for more than a couple games before he gets the benefit of the doubt. If he shoots league average FOR THE SEASON then we can revisit whether he should be shooting less than 8 seconds into the clock. Untill then then answer is no. He also needs to stop h=throwing one up every time he makes one and stop shooting off the dribble. Stick to the corners and the 4th quarter.

does this calculation take into account that smart has changed his shooting form during the off season?

i think his career long poor shooting may stem from a pair of factors: 1. poor shooting form. 2. poor shot selection. (while under pressure, not a good location, or end of clock.)

based upon games since changing his form, his 3 point shooting may be getting better WHEN he takes a good shot selection.

i believe smart is among the league leaders in taking last second 3 pointers with time running out. i remember some discussion here about that. that doesnt kill his shooting percentages, but it certainly doesnt boost them

also, from the corners, smart is above nba average for 3 pointers for his career. so, he is a good 3 point shooting in the RIGHT situation.

why he insists upon putting up shots from bad locations on the floor (for him) is the puzzler for me.

given the changes in his shooting form and the sss on this season's 3 pointers, i am content to wait and see on this.

Man, that’s an awful lot of qualifications.  You almost have to write a dissertation to explain how smart almost, maybe, could possibly be a good shooter.

Here's an additional stat to validate Marcus as a clutch shooter.  Marcus is 14/31 in 4th quarter 3-point attempts over the last 2 postseasons.  Only 2 of those makes were in his 7/10 game against the Cavs. 

Also, during the last 5 minutes of games he shot 37% from 3 when the game was within 5 points or less.  This includes both the 2017 regular season and playoffs.  His percentage was still 35% in one possession games using this same criteria.  Only Horford shot a higher percentage.  Marcus also took the 3rd most attempts in these situations.  I get that these are very specific stats but it still shows that Marcus has a knack for coming up big when it matters most.

Those are great stats

[unclebay]

Honestly, at this point if you don't appreciate what Marcus Smart brings to this team you simply don't appreciate true Celtic basketball and are better off rooting for another team.

[Chris22]

Smart needs to realize that point guards who are bad shooters need to pass the ball.

Might be the best passer on the team. Like... do you watch the games?

I haven't missed a game in ten years.
Smart is shot happy. Needs to pass more.

[PhoSita]

He is what he is at this point.