KILL THE DEAL

[SHAQATTACK]

screw them and the horse they rode in on.

we ll just take our shot at Marvin Bagley back .......THANk you Very much


and Cavs can enjoy, no Irving ,  NO lottery pick , Dragen Bender and a crippled EB .....and their Whiner leaving too.

Enjoy ....cavs fans 

[Phantom255x]

screw them and the horse they rode in on.

we ll just take our shot at Marvin Bagley back .......THANk you Very much


and Cavs can enjoy, no Irving ,  NO lottery pick , Dragen Bender and a crippled EB .....and their Whiner leaving too.

Enjoy ....cavs fans 

Yep. Only obstacle would be whether Isaiah even wants to come back after all this though... Same with Crowder though he could still get traded for good value.

[SHAQATTACK]

The Cavs team is on a express elevator to the  bottom of the NBA ...

they are kicking and screaming all the way .

in two years , when the whiner is gone .....Cav will be back in their rightful spot ....Tanked out for next 30'years.

[G-Bones]

If this trade goes through, then the Celtics need to go in tank mode when playing Brooklyn next year.  The four wins will help the Nets very much. Lol

[crimson_stallion]

Get isaiah back with all the best medical and rehab
If he can come back later in season for the playoffs
He then can showcase himself and build his value as repaired and as good as new.
IF not he gets operated on and misses the season'
THE FANS LOVE HIM we keep our nets pick
,Give Crowder a new contract with a raise and trade him
or a raise and play him-Keep two potential lottery picks for a big guy who can play
-We will need that against philly

Isaiah just played his butt off for us last season, finished up averaging 29 PPG and 3rd in scoring. 

He played in the playoffs the day after his sister passed away from a tragic car accident - put his own family second to the team.

He rejected the opportunity to negotiate a contract extension this off-season and put his own future at risk so that Boston could have more cap flexibility, and could sign Hayward.

Then Danny Ainge traded him the first opportunity he had. 

Thomas is going to feel hurt, heartbroke, furious.  I wouldn't blame him if he outright refused to suit up a single game for the Celtics after being stabbed in the back like this. I know it's just a business, and I can understand why Danny had to do it, but as a player you would never forget that. 

So if this trade gets voided, Isaiah will probably demand a trade.  Then we have a guy with one year on his contract demanding a trade, which puts us in the worst possible negotiating position - we'd pretty much have no choice but to take the best lowball offer we get.

Maybe Crowder would let it go, maybe he'd request a trade as well.  If he does, we kinda have to let him go eventually too.  Remember he was already upset when Boston fans cheered for Hayward - now Hayward is here and Crowder just got traded - he's going to feel backstabbed for sure.  Like he is now "redundant" with Hayward here.  He's not going to be happy in Boston, probably, anymore.

If the trade is killed, the only positive things we can really take from it is that we get Zizic and the Brooklyn pick back.  I can live with that because I was kinda hoping that Brooklyn pick would bring us the talented young big man prospect we've been needing for years...but regardless, we're still in a better position if the deal gets done then we are if it fails.

So are Cleveland.  This deal fails and they have no choice but to accept a lesser deal, because no team is offering as much as we just did.  Cleveland then lose Kyrie, don't get a comparable player back...so they get worse.  Lose once again in the finals against Golden State - this time probably swept.  Lebron leaves to go elsewhere...now Cleveland are left with no Kyrie, no Lebron - all they can really do is trade Love for a pick to try and get some cap flexibility back and then rebuild.

So if this deal falis, it hurts both teams.  It's in both Cleveland's and Boston's best interests to get this thing done.  If Cleveland's GM voids the trade just because Boston refuses to give any more assets, then he's an idiot..only shooting himself in the foot.

 

[trickybilly]

If it does get killed, what options are there for IT?

A buyout? And, like, that's about it no? Maybe trade him for pennies on the dollar?

Adding another asset would be too much for Danny I'm guessing..

[kozlodoev]

If it does get killed, what options are there for IT?

A buyout? And, like, that's about it no? Maybe trade him for pennies on the dollar?

Adding another asset would be too much for Danny I'm guessing..

Treat him, have him play as much as he can this season, let him go on hims merry way. Not much different from the options before this deal was a thing.

[greece66]

Rollie, great to read your thoughts as always.

As far as I understand, only Cleveland can void the deal now (the deadline is Wednesday). As far as they accept the original deal, there is nothing Boston can do to retract.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Rollie, great to read your thoughts as always.





As far as I understand, only Cleveland can void the deal now (the deadline is Wednesday). As far as they accept the original deal, there is nothing Boston can do to retract.

LOL....well if you like irrational, subjective haiku!

[celticinorlando]

Thomas has no options...if you try to treat it he will miss game after game before realizing he has to be shutdown for surgery. I do not want him back in Boston and if he is, it will be a huge disappointment.

I would rather have him have the surgery and move on for good than to see him gimp and hobble around every game trying to gut it out. That helps nobody. The last thing they need is an Avery Bradley situation where Thomas misses long stretches because he cannot play

[greece66]

Rollie, great to read your thoughts as always.





As far as I understand, only Cleveland can void the deal now (the deadline is Wednesday). As far as they accept the original deal, there is nothing Boston can do to retract.

LOL....well if you like irrational, subjective haiku!

You probably have no clue who rollie is.

Also, no reason to be rude in general. You don't like what other posters write - fine. Express your disagreement and move on.

[CelticsElite]

NO

[Phantom255x]

I want the trade to go through but if it doesn't, I would even be mad. I really really like the top prospects next year. And that's really unprofessional and annoying how the Cavs are handling the deal.

Yep and reading the rumored Suns and Bucks offers, unless they add more "firepower" (highly doubt it), then CLE would be idiots to void this trade. Won't get anything close to what BOS offered.

But I wouldn't mind. I'd take back a Salty IT, Crowder, as well as Nets Pick and Zizic if CLE really are intent on another 1st round pick.

This rookie GM isn't really helping himself with all this drama over his first deal (though Lebron really runs the show LOL).

[SHAQATTACK]

I want the trade to go through but if it doesn't, I would even be mad. I really really like the top prospects next year. And that's really unprofessional and annoying how the Cavs are handling the deal.

Yep and reading the rumored Suns and Bucks offers, unless they add more "firepower" (highly doubt it), then CLE would be idiots to void this trade. Won't get anything close to what BOS offered.

But I wouldn't mind. I'd take back a Salty IT, Crowder, as well as Nets Pick and Zizic if CLE really are intent on another 1st round pick.

This rookie GM isn't really helping himself with all this drama over his first deal (though Lebron really runs the show LOL).

This where Im at too.   I grow weary of their stupidity.    Thomas confirms his health .    Cleveland is stonewalling.    From me they would not be getting Zizic for acting like turds.

[ashanm10]

Get isaiah back with all the best medical and rehab
If he can come back later in season for the playoffs
He then can showcase himself and build his value as repaired and as good as new.
IF not he gets operated on and misses the season'
THE FANS LOVE HIM we keep our nets pick
,Give Crowder a new contract with a raise and trade him
or a raise and play him-Keep two potential lottery picks for a big guy who can play
-We will need that against philly

Isaiah just played his butt off for us last season, finished up averaging 29 PPG and 3rd in scoring. 

He played in the playoffs the day after his sister passed away from a tragic car accident - put his own family second to the team.

He rejected the opportunity to negotiate a contract extension this off-season and put his own future at risk so that Boston could have more cap flexibility, and could sign Hayward.

Then Danny Ainge traded him the first opportunity he had. 

Thomas is going to feel hurt, heartbroke, furious.  I wouldn't blame him if he outright refused to suit up a single game for the Celtics after being stabbed in the back like this. I know it's just a business, and I can understand why Danny had to do it, but as a player you would never forget that. 

So if this trade gets voided, Isaiah will probably demand a trade.  Then we have a guy with one year on his contract demanding a trade, which puts us in the worst possible negotiating position - we'd pretty much have no choice but to take the best lowball offer we get.

Maybe Crowder would let it go, maybe he'd request a trade as well.  If he does, we kinda have to let him go eventually too.  Remember he was already upset when Boston fans cheered for Hayward - now Hayward is here and Crowder just got traded - he's going to feel backstabbed for sure.  Like he is now "redundant" with Hayward here.  He's not going to be happy in Boston, probably, anymore.

If the trade is killed, the only positive things we can really take from it is that we get Zizic and the Brooklyn pick back.  I can live with that because I was kinda hoping that Brooklyn pick would bring us the talented young big man prospect we've been needing for years...but regardless, we're still in a better position if the deal gets done then we are if it fails.

So are Cleveland.  This deal fails and they have no choice but to accept a lesser deal, because no team is offering as much as we just did.  Cleveland then lose Kyrie, don't get a comparable player back...so they get worse.  Lose once again in the finals against Golden State - this time probably swept.  Lebron leaves to go elsewhere...now Cleveland are left with no Kyrie, no Lebron - all they can really do is trade Love for a pick to try and get some cap flexibility back and then rebuild.

So if this deal falis, it hurts both teams.  It's in both Cleveland's and Boston's best interests to get this thing done.  If Cleveland's GM voids the trade just because Boston refuses to give any more assets, then he's an idiot..only shooting himself in the foot.

 

can think of any situations where we can get anything decent for thomas+crowder package?