What's exactly the downside if the deal falls through?

[playdream]

beyond not getting Irving?
Like why are you guys saying we/danny are Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ed?
I mean it's not like Danny is hiding the injury about IT's hip , nor is it a thing that can be hide

So we take him back and his hip is so severe he can't play next season,
So it doesn't matter if he will be unhappy because he won't even play anyway, and we won't max him to stay anyway, and his trading value won't change because any team we trade him is going to know about his condition in physical exam anyway

as for JC you can still trade him with no problem, and Zizic won't be a problem too

[mr. dee]

Crowder and IT can still be shipped somewhere although their value will be all-time low. The upside of the voided transaction is we get back the BKN pick which was the prize of this trade.

[cltc5]

The backtracking just didn't make sense for Cleveland unless they want another pick which ain't happening.  They can A]. Take the deal and if IT Cnt play, eat the contract and let him walk...you still have crowder, zizic, nets pick.  Lebron still probably walks.  If they close the deal.  They're stuck with kyrie and no future when lebron walks, and probably lose kyrie eventually.

If Cleveland thinks they have one more shot at the finals they may keep kyrie, but if IT is able to play at all this year even if it's at the end of the season, they have to take the deal.  IT WOULD help with scoring for the playoffs and they'd have the option to resign him for maybe less money.

[Somebody]

THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE! I AM READY TO ROLL!

[celticinorlando]

1 Thomas returning to Boston is a downside
2 having to deal with Crowder and starting him and Hayward together
3 Thomas is not fitting into the future of Boston

I would be surprised if Thomas does not miss more than half the season. Rozier or Larkin starting is a huge downside

I do not want Thomas anywhere near the celtics. He is not a max player and he now makes them a worse team being hurt

[playdream]

1 Thomas returning to Boston is a downside
2 having to deal with Crowder and starting him and Hayward together
3 Thomas is not fitting into the future of Boston

I would be surprised if Thomas does not miss more than half the season. Rozier or Larkin starting is a huge downside

I do not want Thomas anywhere near the celtics. He is not a max player and he now makes them a worse team being hurt

That's not a downside that's the origin point, we lost nothing during the process

[celticinorlando]

1 Thomas returning to Boston is a downside
2 having to deal with Crowder and starting him and Hayward together
3 Thomas is not fitting into the future of Boston

I would be surprised if Thomas does not miss more than half the season. Rozier or Larkin starting is a huge downside

I do not want Thomas anywhere near the celtics. He is not a max player and he now makes them a worse team being hurt

That's not a downside that's the origin point, we lost nothing during the process

You have to take back a hurt IT that cannot play. That is a huge downside. So technically you are losing 25 points a game because you have no Kyrie and no IT

[playdream]

The backtracking just didn't make sense for Cleveland unless they want another pick which ain't happening.  They can A]. Take the deal and if IT Cnt play, eat the contract and let him walk...you still have crowder, zizic, nets pick.  Lebron still probably walks.  If they close the deal.  They're stuck with kyrie and no future when lebron walks, and probably lose kyrie eventually.

If Cleveland thinks they have one more shot at the finals they may keep kyrie, but if IT is able to play at all this year even if it's at the end of the season, they have to take the deal.  IT WOULD help with scoring for the playoffs and they'd have the option to resign him for maybe less money.

Yeah i forgot to mention, if they keep kyrie it will be truly circus for them
and if they trade him for say bledsoe or middlton they aren't going to win the finals so there is really no point

[playdream]

1 Thomas returning to Boston is a downside
2 having to deal with Crowder and starting him and Hayward together
3 Thomas is not fitting into the future of Boston

I would be surprised if Thomas does not miss more than half the season. Rozier or Larkin starting is a huge downside

I do not want Thomas anywhere near the celtics. He is not a max player and he now makes them a worse team being hurt

That's not a downside that's the origin point, we lost nothing during the process

You have to take back a hurt IT that cannot play. That is a huge downside. So technically you are losing 25 points a game because you have no Kyrie and no IT

He is hurt for months, it's not like he got hurt during the trade talks, so he is gone anyway
you can say we fell to improve but we didn't decline and that's my point
you fell to trade the pick for KI, now you can trade the pick for other star or draft it

[SHAQATTACK]

Thomas has no immediate future with Celtics .  Maybe they could wave him .  He is taking up room on the team .  None of the contender s are waiting 1-2 years to see if he ll be able to rehab back from surgery T 30 years of age ....

Crowder goes back to first valuable player in deal for an upgrade .  .....maybe Marc Gasol.

Zizic and Nets picks good as ever.

Downside tor Cavs ......They can't flip the pick to give James any reason to stay .  They fall off the cliff , when James leaves into tanking trip of 5-10 years to rebuild .  The Nets pick could cut 2-5 years or more off a rebuild.

[celticinorlando]

1 Thomas returning to Boston is a downside
2 having to deal with Crowder and starting him and Hayward together
3 Thomas is not fitting into the future of Boston

I would be surprised if Thomas does not miss more than half the season. Rozier or Larkin starting is a huge downside

I do not want Thomas anywhere near the celtics. He is not a max player and he now makes them a worse team being hurt

That's not a downside that's the origin point, we lost nothing during the process

You have to take back a hurt IT that cannot play. That is a huge downside. So technically you are losing 25 points a game because you have no Kyrie and no IT

He is hurt for months, it's not like he got hurt during the trade talks..
you can say we fell to improve but we didn't decline and that's my point

Not talking about the trade..talking about having to deal with a hurt IT and the fact it is worse off for Boston regardless if they keep him or not. If he cannot play this season, they are not nearly as good on the court. Yes he has been hurt for a while but it seems it is not just a rest up type of injury

They have to replace that scoring

[Roy H.]

I'm not too worried about it, but the concerns are:

1. Chemistry

2. Having no good replacement for IT if he's going to miss significant time

We all remember the grudge Ray felt when he was traded to Memphis, only to have it fall through. IT and Crowder are both prideful guys.

[playdream]

Thomas has no immediate future with Celtics .  Maybe they could wave him .  He is taking up room on the team .  None of the contender s are waiting 1-2 years to see if he ll be able to rehab back from surgery T 30 years of age ....

Crowder goes back to first valuable player in deal for an upgrade .  .....maybe Marc Gasol.

Zizic and Nets picks good as ever.

Downside tor Cavs ......They can't flip the pick to give James any reason to stay .  They fall off the cliff , when James leaves into tanking trip of 5-10 years to rebuild .  The Nets pick could cut 2-5 years or more off a rebuild.

James isn't staying no matter what it is obvious, he had shown it by all those tweets
I think he already talked to PG/(RW) and have a agreement to join the lakers all together

[Erik]

Crowder and IT can still be shipped somewhere although their value will be all-time low. The upside of the voided transaction is we get back the BKN pick which was the prize of this trade.

We would have to find a team quick for those assets.

[celticinorlando]

Nobody is going to trade anything of value for Jae Crowder and a hurt IT.

The biggest issue is how do you replace the offense without Irving and Thomas off the court for a long long time