Woj: Boston has interest in Irving, no formal offer made yet. Cavs like Tatum

[mef730]

There just isn't a trade that makes sense for both sides here, it's futility.

I agree. I just can't come up with anything that works logically. Too big of a bid-ask spread. They're not going to want what we're going to offer, and we're not going to offer what they want.

It's insanity even considering these trades that come up, at least I have the faith that Ainge won't be considering anything like this..

As the old CB saying goes, "It's not insanity. It's just August."

Mike

[JHTruth]

There just isn't a trade that makes sense for both sides here, it's futility.

I agree. I just can't come up with anything that works logically. Too big of a bid-ask spread. They're not going to want what we're going to offer, and we're not going to offer what they want.

It's insanity even considering these trades that come up, at least I have the faith that Ainge won't be considering anything like this..

As the old CB saying goes, "It's not insanity. It's just August."

Mike

Exactly. Woj just trying to make "news" by throwing wild speculation out there. Click bait..

[Tr1boy]

Tatum and IT4 contract fillers for Irving...but no future picks

Need to think about it

Irving will go off against the cavs in the ecf

you can't be seriuos...
IT for Kyrie would be great, and that's one of the best offers that the cavs would be able to facilitate in this position.
Giving the #1 pick and a superstar for a superstar...well you can see that it doesn't add up, at all.

Irving is better than IT4...

He has been to the finals 3 times now and won a ring. He is younger. Better defender. Better stats (not by alot but still). 

Plus  you have him for another season.... (Could trade him etc)

Cavs say no to a Irving and IT4 1 on 1 swap

Maybe instead of adding tatum

IT4, Crowder, Rozier and a 2018 lakers or nets pick (whichever is best) could do the trick

This thing is dragging out like crazy.... Cavs have no way out and Celts might be the only trading partner left....

The more I think about it, doesnt make sense the Suns trading for Irving. Not in line to contend


Horford
Morris
Hayward
Smart/Brown
Irving

This unit looks like it can win a championship

Really? Pffft, that team probably can't make it out of the East.

Trading the 2018 Nets pick? That could be Bagley or Porter?? what the heck??

The key word is maybe...

Greedy for the future... I dont blame you

But would love to bring in Kyrie

[JHTruth]

Tatum and IT4 contract fillers for Irving...but no future picks

Need to think about it

Irving will go off against the cavs in the ecf

you can't be seriuos...
IT for Kyrie would be great, and that's one of the best offers that the cavs would be able to facilitate in this position.
Giving the #1 pick and a superstar for a superstar...well you can see that it doesn't add up, at all.

Irving is better than IT4...

He has been to the finals 3 times now and won a ring. He is younger. Better defender. Better stats (not by alot but still). 

Plus  you have him for another season.... (Could trade him etc)

Cavs say no to a Irving and IT4 1 on 1 swap

Maybe instead of adding tatum

IT4, Crowder, Rozier and a 2018 lakers or nets pick (whichever is best) could do the trick

This thing is dragging out like crazy.... Cavs have no way out and Celts might be the only trading partner left....

The more I think about it, doesnt make sense the Suns trading for Irving. Not in line to contend


Horford
Morris
Hayward
Smart/Brown
Irving

This unit looks like it can win a championship

Really? Pffft, that team probably can't make it out of the East.

Trading the 2018 Nets pick? That could be Bagley or Porter?? what the heck??

The key word is maybe...

Greedy for the future... I dont blame you

But would love to bring in Kyrie

Realistically think about it. What would happen if Danny traded the pick that ended up being Marvin Bagley for Kyrie freaking Irving. LOL. He'd be roasted and put on the next train out of town. The "maybe" is likely enough to preclude moving the pick..

[CelticsElite]

"Have been hearing teams don't have a sense on Cavs' timeline for a Kyrie deal. Cs and Cavs have remained in discussions."
https://mobile.twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/897453088692248576

[Vermont Green]

Tatum and IT4 contract fillers for Irving...but no future picks

Need to think about it

Irving will go off against the cavs in the ecf

You could think about IT4 for Irving straight up. 

You can't think about IT4 plus Tatum. That is insane. 

You lost your GM privileges for a month, TB.

Take off your celts homer , lets rip off other teams hat
How is IT4 for Irving 1 to 1 trade fair?

Pretty close.  The problem is the salaries don't match up enough.  I believe that Irving has some higher value (talent, contract, age) but not a gap equivalent to Tatum or Crowder+Rozier.  Plus CLE is win now so Tatum isn't what they are looking for anyway.  I just don't see a deal here.  It is CLE that needs it not us so why would we reach?

[hpantazo]

Woj doesn't have any good Celtics sources, that has been evident in the past. Whatever he's hearing is from other teams. My guess is Cleveland is putting out this rumor to try to get Phoenix to give up Jackson along with Bledsoe

[johnnygreen]

With two max guys already on the roster, and most likely a third after next season with Thomas, the Celtics need to hold onto their young talent to help with the salary cap (Brown, Tatum, 2018 draft picks). I don't see Danny or ownership, having any desire to trade any of those young assets.

I believe the best package the Celtics could offer is still Thomas, Crowder, Rozier, and the Celtics 2018 own first round draft pick. Having said that, I'm not sure if Boston would even do that deal. Trading Thomas would be very difficult, as Thomas has built up so much good will amongst the fans, teammates and ownership. As discussed, there isn't much of a statistical difference between Thomas and Irving, so I think intangibles have to play a factor, which is where I believe Thomas clearly has the edge. Also, Crowder is a strong role player that most playoff teams need (who also helps with the salary cap issue)

When it comes to evaluating Irving, I don't think you can rely on statistics to measure him against Thomas. Were Thomas' numbers over inflated because Boston had no other reliable #1 or #2 scoring option? Were Irving's numbers under inflated because he was playing with go to scorers and elite passers in LeBron and Love? When it comes to evaluating who is a max player, I wouldn't hesitate to give Irving one of those contracts. However, I still do have concerns about giving one to Thomas.

Danny and Brad are in a tough spot. I believe Irving is the better player, and the Celtics have the assets available to make a trade. However, do the ends justify the means?

[Th3M2n]

Not just no, but HELLLLLLL no!

[Boris Badenov]

Tatum and IT4 contract fillers for Irving...but no future picks

Need to think about it

Irving will go off against the cavs in the ecf

You could think about IT4 for Irving straight up. 

You can't think about IT4 plus Tatum. That is insane. 

You lost your GM privileges for a month, TB.

Take off your celts homer , lets rip off other teams hat
How is IT4 for Irving 1 to 1 trade fair?

Why would what's "fair" affect anything here? No concept of fairness enters trade discussions.

The market is the market. What we need to do is beat the next best offer and/or meet the Cavs' asking price.

Given what other superstars (Butler, Cousins, George) have been fetching in return, there's little reason to think that a disgruntled Kyrie Irving would fetch both an All-NBA player, another player or two and a top-3 pick in a strong draft. I just don't see it.

I mean, rumor has it that the Suns will offer Bledsoe and Bender (but not Jackson). That absolutely pales in comparison to IT/Tatum.

[Rosco917]

No way I would trade Tatum, It would be like trading a Paul Pierce before he even played a game for the Celtics.

I'm not even ready to trade Crowder and IT for Irving. Unless the C's know something about Thomas health that we don't know.

The Cavs must be fielding some offers around the NBA, hence the quiet before the storm. Let them make their own mistakes.

[aingeforthree]

No way I would trade Tatum, It would be like trading a Paul Pierce before he even played a game for the Celtics.

I'm not even ready to trade Crowder and IT for Irving. Unless the C's know something about Thomas health that we don't know.

The Cavs must be fielding some offers around the NBA, hence the quiet before the storm. Let them make their own mistakes.

The guy turned 19 just 5 months ago. He's got it all to be great, including a great work ethic. IMO, he will be far better than Brown.

I'll cut loose with a Brown package, but not Tatum.

[LilRip]

Really don't wanna give up Tatum for Kyrie. I can't see the Kyrie-IT backcourt working either.

If we're getting Kyrie, we gotta give up IT. But then that's an all star for an all star. I'd give up guys like Rozier and idk how else to make salaries work without giving up Crowder, Smart, JB pen Tatum. I wouldn't throw in any picks either.

[spikelovetheCelts]

Not just no, but HELLLLLLL no!

Build from what we have we. We will have 5 Lottery picks after 19 or 20. ANd IT, Heyward and Holford.
 Stay the course and hope for a KG type Injury to a Warrior and we win.

Let KI go to PHX, IMO.

[PAOBoston]

My answer is no.

The ends do not justify the means. Irving is a great scorer but he's not thaaat much better than IT to justify trading an All NBA caliber player AND a good role player (on a great value contract) and a legit blue chip prospect. That is madness.

Also, while people focus on the scoring aspect, the intangibles aspect needs to be evaluated as well. IT is the heart of this team. He is a legitimate leader and has endeared himself with the city and fans that it would legitimately be a massive blow to the moral and chemistry of this team. I'm not sure what to make of Irving. It seems incredibly self centered to not talk to teammates in the middle of a playoff run and to want to get out of the shadow of the best player of his generation.

Also, with Irving, we're going to be in the exact same spot we are with IT now in 2 years: having to decide to give a Max contract to a guard that will take him into his thirties. If we are going to do that, why not just give it to IT and keep all the cost controlled assets instead of giving them up for Irving?