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If you are IT4, would you rather have an extension now or wait it out?
« on: July 10, 2017, 06:14:03 PM »

Offline Tr1boy

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Also if you are a core piece of the puzzle, why arent the Celtics pressing for an extension now?  For the benefit of the team , the IT4 extension would be cheaper to do now than wait until next offseason.

The chances IT4 puts up the scoring numbers he did last season just decreased by 20 percent at least (with the addition of Hayward, Morris). His assist totals may rise instead...maybe

Chances he makes the all nba team also decreases. Chances of injury increases due to age/mileage.

Pros for Team to extend IT4 now
- Core piece of the puzzle. Cheaper max.
- Better chance to extend other role players

Cons for Team to extend  IT4 now
- not a core piece but pay max money
- Injury concerns

Pros for IT4 to extend now
- Dont have to think about it
- Not fearing of injury

Cons for IT4 to extend now
- Less money on the table
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Re: If you are IT4, would you rather have an extension now or wait it out?
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2017, 06:15:57 PM »

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Do the Celtics have cap room for an extension?
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Re: If you are IT4, would you rather have an extension now or wait it out?
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2017, 06:20:46 PM »

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Quote from: CelticsBR on July 10, 2017, 06:15:57 PM
Do the Celtics have cap room for an extension?

No.  IT could get an extension that starts next year at about $7.5 million.   This is a wasted thread.
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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2017, 06:22:47 PM »

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Quote from: saltlover on July 10, 2017, 06:20:46 PM
Quote from: CelticsBR on July 10, 2017, 06:15:57 PM
Do the Celtics have cap room for an extension?

No.  IT could get an extension that starts next year at about $7.5 million.   This is a wasted thread.

I didnt consider this aspect

So the Celts cant pay him 20 million per year max extension, with Wyc having to pay the luxury tax?

Also why cant the Celts set up a pre extension like what Harden got from the Rockets with 2 years currently left in his contract?
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2017, 06:28:32 PM »

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Quote from: triboy16f on July 10, 2017, 06:22:47 PM
Quote from: saltlover on July 10, 2017, 06:20:46 PM
Quote from: CelticsBR on July 10, 2017, 06:15:57 PM
Do the Celtics have cap room for an extension?

No.  IT could get an extension that starts next year at about $7.5 million.   This is a wasted thread.

I didnt consider this aspect

So the Celts cant pay him 20 million per year max extension, with Wyc having to pay the luxury tax?

Also why cany the Celts set up a pre extension like what Harden got from the Rockets with 2 years currently left in his contract?

Harden is eligible for the Designated Veteran Extension, which IT is not eligible for because a) he has not been in the league long enough (minimum 7 seasons) and b) has not been with the Celtics long enough (minimum 5 seasons).

You are allowed to renegotiate and extend a contract that has been signed meow than three years ago, for which IT would be eligible effective today, I believe, but only if you have the cap space to add to the contract.  Otherwise it can just give a player a 20% raise next year.

If we had missed out on Hayward, it was very possible IT would have been given a renegotiation /extension at the reduced max price this year.  But since we got Hayward, we have no cap room.  I prefer Hayward, myself.  IT will get paid next year.  Ownership presumably has set a budget that allows them to pay the luxury tax next year if they signed a max player this summer, since they'll pay to be contenders.
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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2017, 06:32:11 PM »

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Quote from: saltlover on July 10, 2017, 06:28:32 PM
Quote from: triboy16f on July 10, 2017, 06:22:47 PM
Quote from: saltlover on July 10, 2017, 06:20:46 PM
Quote from: CelticsBR on July 10, 2017, 06:15:57 PM
Do the Celtics have cap room for an extension?

No.  IT could get an extension that starts next year at about $7.5 million.   This is a wasted thread.

I didnt consider this aspect

So the Celts cant pay him 20 million per year max extension, with Wyc having to pay the luxury tax?

Also why cany the Celts set up a pre extension like what Harden got from the Rockets with 2 years currently left in his contract?

Harden is eligible for the Designated Veteran Extension, which IT is not eligible for because a) he has not been in the league long enough (minimum 7 seasons) and b) has not been with the Celtics long enough (minimum 5 seasons).

You are allowed to renegotiate and extend a contract that has been signed meow than three years ago, for which IT would be eligible effective today, I believe, but only if you have the cap space to add to the contract.  Otherwise it can just give a player a 20% raise next year.

If we had missed out on Hayward, it was very possible IT would have been given a renegotiation /extension at the reduced max price this year.  But since we got Hayward, we have no cap room.  I prefer Hayward, myself.  IT will get paid next year.  Ownership presumably has set a budget that slows them to pay the luxury tax next year if they signed a max player this summer, since they'll pay to be contenders.

Good info. Thanks
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2017, 07:03:45 PM »

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And we are NOT going to pay him the max...
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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2017, 07:18:15 PM »

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You are allowed to renegotiate and extend a contract that has been signed meow than three years ago...

Sorry, SL, this is the only part of your response that stuck with me. =^.^=   ;)

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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2017, 07:52:54 PM »

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Quote from: jambr380 on July 10, 2017, 07:18:15 PM
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You are allowed to renegotiate and extend a contract that has been signed meow than three years ago...

Sorry, SL, this is the only part of your response that stuck with me. =^.^=   ;)

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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2017, 08:01:58 PM »

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Quote from: jambr380 on July 10, 2017, 07:18:15 PM
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You are allowed to renegotiate and extend a contract that has been signed meow than three years ago...

Sorry, SL, this is the only part of your response that stuck with me. =^.^=   ;)

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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2017, 08:43:12 PM »

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Just wondering - does IT have the Celtics by the gonads in that if he were to leave next summer as an UFA, they would not be able to add a similar priced player?
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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2017, 08:50:11 PM »

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Lowe had an interesting take on IT. He said because the cap is essentially flat for the next few years there may not be many suitors for IT and the Celtics think they will be able to sign him to a contract that will average around $25m
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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2017, 09:00:02 PM »

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Quote from: Kuberski33 on July 10, 2017, 08:43:12 PM
Just wondering - does IT have the Celtics by the gonads in that if he were to leave next summer as an UFA, they would not be able to add a similar priced player?

Yes.
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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2017, 09:17:40 PM »

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Quote from: saltlover on July 10, 2017, 09:00:02 PM
Quote from: Kuberski33 on July 10, 2017, 08:43:12 PM
Just wondering - does IT have the Celtics by the gonads in that if he were to leave next summer as an UFA, they would not be able to add a similar priced player?

Yes.
That's what I thought.  Unless he drops off dramatically next season, he's going to get his money from Wyc.  No discounts given.
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« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2017, 09:21:55 PM »

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Quote from: Wretch on July 10, 2017, 08:50:11 PM
Lowe had an interesting take on IT. He said because the cap is essentially flat for the next few years there may not be many suitors for IT and the Celtics think they will be able to sign him to a contract that will average around $25m

If they risk letting him seek offers on the market though, someone could throw the full max at him and then we are left with nothing in return. He could also feel slighted if they lowball him and leave out of spite.
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