Van Gundy Baynes praise/was the trade really AB for Morris AND Baynes?

[csfansince60s]

AB was my favorite Celtic. Solid citizen, great teammate, phenomenal work ethic that resulted in improvement EVERY year.

I didn't like seeing him go, but understood why he had to: imbalanced roster with too many guards and a soon to be cost-prohibitive contract as well as the need to make financial room for Hayward.

For those who didn't like the trade as far as value goes, does it make it more palatable that we actually got Morris AND Baynes for AB and the second round pick?

I think that this may have actually been discussed, and it was decided to make it two separate transactions so that we got the salary space/flexibility we needed for Hayward with the initial transaction and then we were able to sign Baynes with the room exception.

Van Gundy seemed to really value Baynes and didn't want to trade him at the deadline, even knowing that he would lose him for nothing in the offseason.

"The Pistons opted against trading Baynes before the deadline despite the knowledge he could walk away at season's end. Head coach Stan Van Gundy said the team would have lost too much defensively down the stretch just to hunt down a likely lesser asset in a return, per Aaron McMann of MLive.com.

"It's really been proved for two years now that our defense is significantly better with Aron on the floor," Van Gundy said. "His communication, his toughness, the fact that he reacts quickly and is ahead of the play, really, really helps our defense. And he helps us play well on offense, too. He's a great screener, he understands the game. He helps us."

From http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2717061-aron-baynes-celtics-reportedly-agree-on-1-year-43-million-contract

I like what van Gundy says about Baynes. We got him at a "bargain" that may have actually been a wink-wink in the AB trade.

[BitterJim]

Baynes was a free agent.  The Pistons had absolutely no control over where he went. He owed nothing t the Pistons, and if he took less to sign here (hard to tell), then is was to play for a good team.

You really think a free agent would take less money to sign with a team because his former team somehow made him feel like he owed it to both teams to do so?

[billysan]

Baynes was a free agent.  The Pistons had absolutely no control over where he went. He owed nothing t the Pistons, and if he took less to sign here (hard to tell), then is was to play for a good team.

You really think a free agent would take less money to sign with a team because his former team somehow made him feel like he owed it to both teams to do so?

Yeah kinda hard to believe he would agree to that..

Still I like the acquisition of this beast.

[Alleyoopster]

Baynes was a free agent.  The Pistons had absolutely no control over where he went. He owed nothing t the Pistons, and if he took less to sign here (hard to tell), then is was to play for a good team.

You really think a free agent would take less money to sign with a team because his former team somehow made him feel like he owed it to both teams to do so?

Yeah kinda hard to believe he would agree to that..

Still I like the acquisition of this beast.

This must have been mentioned in other threads. He probably really likes playing with Morris and decided this was the only way this was happening. Plus, he may have felt this move may be the last chance for him to take another run at a Championship ring. 

[Snakehead]

No wink wink but he fits an exact team need.  He makes half of what Zeller made last year.  It's a bargain.

For Baynes I think this is a big opportunity to play himself into his next contract.  I think he starts, isn't asked to do more than he can, and looks good and will probably do just that.

[Alleyoopster]

No wink wink but he fits an exact team need. He makes half of what Zeller made last year.  It's a bargain.

For Baynes I think this is a big opportunity to play himself into his next contract.  I think he starts, isn't asked to do more than he can, and looks good and will probably do just that.

If Zeller were available for the minimum wouldn't he be an upgrade over Jordan?

[moiso]

Baynes was a free agent.  The Pistons had absolutely no control over where he went. He owed nothing t the Pistons, and if he took less to sign here (hard to tell), then is was to play for a good team.

You really think a free agent would take less money to sign with a team because his former team somehow made him feel like he owed it to both teams to do so?

Of course not but if Baynes let Ainge know that he was interested in coming and Ainge knew that he could still afford to sign Baynes after trading for Morris, then its kind of like trading Bradley for both Baynes and Morris, at least from Ainge's perspective.

[kozlodoev]

Baynes was a free agent.  The Pistons had absolutely no control over where he went. He owed nothing t the Pistons, and if he took less to sign here (hard to tell), then is was to play for a good team.

You really think a free agent would take less money to sign with a team because his former team somehow made him feel like he owed it to both teams to do so?

Of course not but if Baynes let Ainge know that he was interested in coming and Ainge knew that he could still afford to sign Baynes after trading for Morris, then its kind of like trading Bradley for both Baynes and Morris, at least from Ainge's perspective.

Baynes signed for the room exception. He would have been available one way or the other.

[green_bballers13]

I've read that the Celtics didn't get enough for AB...... a good (not great player) who is coming up to a point where he's going to be paid like one of the better players in the NBA. The Celtics should have been fine with getting any valuable asset that they could get, without having to overpay AB. They got Morris, who is a decent player. I think the trade was fair.

[trickybilly]

So after paying it the max, can we still do a multi for Baynes next year? Is what this thread come down to...

Salt?

[saltlover]

Baynes was a free agent.  The Pistons had absolutely no control over where he went. He owed nothing t the Pistons, and if he took less to sign here (hard to tell), then is was to play for a good team.

You really think a free agent would take less money to sign with a team because his former team somehow made him feel like he owed it to both teams to do so?

Yeah, there was no wink-wink.  However, I'm fairly certain the Pistons needed to renounce Baynes in order to make the numbers work to take on AB, since Morris-AB didn't match on salaries.  (Not positive on this, as I was traveling this weekend and not keeping total track, but I do know they announced the AB trade and pretty much immediately renounced both Baynes and KCP, and there would be no reason to renounce them but for creating cap space to trade for Bradley.)

So Baynes losing his Bird rights with Detroit might have made him more willing to take the room exception, and thus the trade and signing could be slightly linked.

[saltlover]

So after paying it the max, can we still do a multi for Baynes next year? Is what this thread come down to...

Salt?

We could have chosen to sign Baynes to a two-year deal, but Ainge is trying to limit obligations ahead of the near-certain luxury tax that will occur in 2018-2019.  If that's what you're asking.

[tarheelsxxiii]

Salt, will I get a good performance evaluation at work in 3 weeks?

[saltlover]

Salt, will I get a good performance evaluation at work in 3 weeks?

Do you work a 9 to 5?  If so, are you on your lunch break?

[Boris Badenov]

So after paying it the max, can we still do a multi for Baynes next year? Is what this thread come down to...

Salt?

We could have chosen to sign Baynes to a two-year deal, but Ainge is trying to limit obligations ahead of the near-certain luxury tax that will occur in 2018-2019.  If that's what you're asking.

I think the question is, can we re-sign Baynes next summer even if over the cap.

And I think the answer is yes, but only to 120% of his 2017 salary, and for up to four years.

(Setting aside luxury tax issues, this is just in the context of the cap).