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Not So Free Agent Signing
« on: July 07, 2017, 05:09:47 PM »

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The Celtics had to give up Avery Bradley, Kelly Olynyk and Tyler Zeller and a second round pick to make room for Gordon Hayward and Marcus Morris

When considering that Morris soon goes on trial for felony aggravated assault and will likely miss the upcoming NBA season the moves ostensibly netted Gordon Hayward.

This is not markedly different than the value given up for stars Jimmy Butler and Paul George

Jimmy Butler was traded for a 2017 first round pick swap, Zach Lavine, and Kriss Dunn
Paul George was traded for Oladipo, and Sabonis

Of the three (George, Butler, and Hayward) Butler had the highest PER and WS last season while also totaling the highest number of points, assists, steals, blocks, and A/To ratio, he was also the only player of the three to make an All-NBA team last season.  Hayward is the only one of the three not to have made an all-NBA, or all defensive team in his career.

Contracts:
George is signed for 1 year at 18 million while OKC also acquired his Bird Rights.
Butler is signed for 3 more years starting at 17.5 million per and escalating 1 million each season thereafter- the third year being a player option at 19.5 million
Hayward is signed for 3 years at 30 million per year.

Did the Celtics really end up with the best player?  Did they end up with the best deal?

Here is a clip from Collin Cowherd's show discussing this
https://youtu.be/m93i2lWqM0I

Re: Not So Free Agent Signing
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2017, 05:13:40 PM »

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When considering that Morris soon goes on trial for felony aggravated assault and will likely miss the upcoming NBA season the moves ostensibly netted Gordon Hayward.
Is that what the talking points are under the bridge these days?

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Re: Not So Free Agent Signing
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2017, 05:16:16 PM »

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The Celtics had to give up Avery Bradley, Kelly Olynyk and Tyler Zeller and a second round pick to make room for Gordon Hayward and Marcus Morris

When considering that Morris soon goes on trial for felony aggravated assault and will likely miss the upcoming NBA season the moves ostensibly netted Gordon Hayward.

This is not markedly different than the value given up for stars Jimmy Butler and Paul George

Jimmy Butler was traded for a 2017 first round pick swap, Zach Lavine, and Kriss Dunn
Paul George was traded for Oladipo, and Sabonis

Of the three (George, Butler, and Hayward) Butler had the highest PER and WS last season while also totaling the highest number of points, assists, steals, blocks, and A/To ratio, he was also the only player of the three to make an All-NBA team last season.  Hayward is the only one of the three not to have made an all-NBA, or all defensive team in his career.

Contracts:
George is signed for 1 year at 18 million while OKC also acquired his Bird Rights.
Butler is signed for 3 more years starting at 17.5 million per and escalating 1 million each season thereafter- the third year being a player option at 19.5 million
Hayward is signed for 3 years at 30 million per year.

Did the Celtics really end up with the best player?  Did they end up with the best deal?

Here is a clip from Collin Cowherd's show discussing this
https://youtu.be/m93i2lWqM0I

He says Kelly is our best big, I guess he's never seen Horford...

Re: Not So Free Agent Signing
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2017, 05:19:44 PM »

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Collin Cowherd's show is a pile of poop. The Celtics got a lot better this off season.

Re: Not So Free Agent Signing
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2017, 05:23:42 PM »

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The Celtics had to give up Avery Bradley, Kelly Olynyk and Tyler Zeller and a second round pick to make room for Gordon Hayward and Marcus Morris

When considering that Morris soon goes on trial for felony aggravated assault and will likely miss the upcoming NBA season the moves ostensibly netted Gordon Hayward.

This is not markedly different than the value given up for stars Jimmy Butler and Paul George

Jimmy Butler was traded for a 2017 first round pick swap, Zach Lavine, and Kriss Dunn
Paul George was traded for Oladipo, and Sabonis

Of the three (George, Butler, and Hayward) Butler had the highest PER and WS last season while also totaling the highest number of points, assists, steals, blocks, and A/To ratio, he was also the only player of the three to make an All-NBA team last season.  Hayward is the only one of the three not to have made an all-NBA, or all defensive team in his career.

Contracts:
George is signed for 1 year at 18 million while OKC also acquired his Bird Rights.
Butler is signed for 3 more years starting at 17.5 million per and escalating 1 million each season thereafter- the third year being a player option at 19.5 million
Hayward is signed for 3 years at 30 million per year.

Did the Celtics really end up with the best player?  Did they end up with the best deal?

Here is a clip from Collin Cowherd's show discussing this
https://youtu.be/m93i2lWqM0I

This is flat out not true, and nobody should really debate the points of this when it is including such blatently false info to make an argument.

Re: Not So Free Agent Signing
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2017, 05:28:35 PM »

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I'd consider not having to pay Kelly Olynyk $50 million to be a net positive.

Re: Not So Free Agent Signing
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2017, 05:38:03 PM »

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The Celtics had to give up Avery Bradley, Kelly Olynyk and Tyler Zeller and a second round pick to make room for Gordon Hayward and Marcus Morris

When considering that Morris soon goes on trial for felony aggravated assault and will likely miss the upcoming NBA season the moves ostensibly netted Gordon Hayward.

This is not markedly different than the value given up for stars Jimmy Butler and Paul George

Jimmy Butler was traded for a 2017 first round pick swap, Zach Lavine, and Kriss Dunn
Paul George was traded for Oladipo, and Sabonis

Of the three (George, Butler, and Hayward) Butler had the highest PER and WS last season while also totaling the highest number of points, assists, steals, blocks, and A/To ratio, he was also the only player of the three to make an All-NBA team last season.  Hayward is the only one of the three not to have made an all-NBA, or all defensive team in his career.

Contracts:
George is signed for 1 year at 18 million while OKC also acquired his Bird Rights.
Butler is signed for 3 more years starting at 17.5 million per and escalating 1 million each season thereafter- the third year being a player option at 19.5 million
Hayward is signed for 3 years at 30 million per year.

Did the Celtics really end up with the best player?  Did they end up with the best deal?

Here is a clip from Collin Cowherd's show discussing this
https://youtu.be/m93i2lWqM0I

This is flat out not true, and nobody should really debate the points of this when it is including such blatently false info to make an argument.

What parts do you feel are untrue?  Please feel free to provide evidence and links that supports your opinion.

Re: Not So Free Agent Signing
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2017, 05:48:42 PM »

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When considering that Morris soon goes on trial for felony aggravated assault and will likely miss the upcoming NBA season the moves ostensibly netted Gordon Hayward.
Is that what the talking points are under the bridge these days?

 ;D ;D ;D

People like yourself seem to be pretty ignorant of this situation so here's some links to check out.

http://wjla.com/sports/washington-wizards/phoenix-trial-date-set-for-wizards-markieff-morris-twin-brother-accused-of-assault
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2017/4/28/15478956/markieff-marcus-morris-twins-get-court-date-in-phoenix-suns-detroit-pistons-washington-wizards-nba

Just so we're clear a felony is a crime punishable by more than a 1 year jail sentence.


Re: Not So Free Agent Signing
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2017, 05:49:37 PM »

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The Celtics had to give up Avery Bradley, Kelly Olynyk and Tyler Zeller and a second round pick to make room for Gordon Hayward and Marcus Morris

When considering that Morris soon goes on trial for felony aggravated assault and will likely miss the upcoming NBA season the moves ostensibly netted Gordon Hayward.

This is not markedly different than the value given up for stars Jimmy Butler and Paul George

Jimmy Butler was traded for a 2017 first round pick swap, Zach Lavine, and Kriss Dunn
Paul George was traded for Oladipo, and Sabonis

Of the three (George, Butler, and Hayward) Butler had the highest PER and WS last season while also totaling the highest number of points, assists, steals, blocks, and A/To ratio, he was also the only player of the three to make an All-NBA team last season.  Hayward is the only one of the three not to have made an all-NBA, or all defensive team in his career.

Contracts:
George is signed for 1 year at 18 million while OKC also acquired his Bird Rights.
Butler is signed for 3 more years starting at 17.5 million per and escalating 1 million each season thereafter- the third year being a player option at 19.5 million
Hayward is signed for 3 years at 30 million per year.

Did the Celtics really end up with the best player?  Did they end up with the best deal?

Here is a clip from Collin Cowherd's show discussing this
https://youtu.be/m93i2lWqM0I

This is flat out not true, and nobody should really debate the points of this when it is including such blatently false info to make an argument.

What parts do you feel are untrue?  Please feel free to provide evidence and links that supports your opinion.

What's your opinion based upon? What's your evidence?

Unless you're his attorney, saying which sentencing outcome is "likely" seems fool-hardy.


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Re: Not So Free Agent Signing
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2017, 05:52:54 PM »

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The Celtics had to give up Avery Bradley, Kelly Olynyk and Tyler Zeller and a second round pick to make room for Gordon Hayward and Marcus Morris

When considering that Morris soon goes on trial for felony aggravated assault and will likely miss the upcoming NBA season the moves ostensibly netted Gordon Hayward.

This is not markedly different than the value given up for stars Jimmy Butler and Paul George

Jimmy Butler was traded for a 2017 first round pick swap, Zach Lavine, and Kriss Dunn
Paul George was traded for Oladipo, and Sabonis

Of the three (George, Butler, and Hayward) Butler had the highest PER and WS last season while also totaling the highest number of points, assists, steals, blocks, and A/To ratio, he was also the only player of the three to make an All-NBA team last season.  Hayward is the only one of the three not to have made an all-NBA, or all defensive team in his career.

Contracts:
George is signed for 1 year at 18 million while OKC also acquired his Bird Rights.
Butler is signed for 3 more years starting at 17.5 million per and escalating 1 million each season thereafter- the third year being a player option at 19.5 million
Hayward is signed for 3 years at 30 million per year.

Did the Celtics really end up with the best player?  Did they end up with the best deal?

Here is a clip from Collin Cowherd's show discussing this
https://youtu.be/m93i2lWqM0I

This is flat out not true, and nobody should really debate the points of this when it is including such blatently false info to make an argument.

What parts do you feel are untrue?  Please feel free to provide evidence and links that supports your opinion.
The part I feel is bolded is clearly what I feel is untrue. You are making an outrageous claim that a player will be suspended for an entire year and be in jail. We  I can't find a single media site that has suggested that will happen. Futhermore, I haven't even people confident that the case will ever even get to trial instead of having a settlement.

If you want to make outrageous claims with no proof the burden is on to you suggest why you think that will be the case.

Re: Not So Free Agent Signing
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2017, 05:55:29 PM »

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When considering that Morris soon goes on trial for felony aggravated assault and will likely miss the upcoming NBA season the moves ostensibly netted Gordon Hayward.
Is that what the talking points are under the bridge these days?

 ;D ;D ;D

People like yourself seem to be pretty ignorant of this situation so here's some links to check out.

http://wjla.com/sports/washington-wizards/phoenix-trial-date-set-for-wizards-markieff-morris-twin-brother-accused-of-assault
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2017/4/28/15478956/markieff-marcus-morris-twins-get-court-date-in-phoenix-suns-detroit-pistons-washington-wizards-nba

Just so we're clear a felony is a crime punishable by more than a 1 year jail sentence.

And misdemeanors are punishable by up to 364 days. Is it "likely" that somebody committing a misdemeanor will do jail time?


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Re: Not So Free Agent Signing
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2017, 05:57:48 PM »

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Here is a clip from Collin Cowherd's show discussing this
https://youtu.be/m93i2lWqM0I

Aah, it all makes sense now.

Cowherd is cow dung.

Re: Not So Free Agent Signing
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2017, 06:03:24 PM »

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Are we just going to ignore the part where we brought in a 27-year-old all-star in his prime?  An all-star is worth a helluva lot more than three role players.

Re: Not So Free Agent Signing
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2017, 06:07:34 PM »

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When considering that Morris soon goes on trial for felony aggravated assault and will likely miss the upcoming NBA season the moves ostensibly netted Gordon Hayward.
Is that what the talking points are under the bridge these days?

 ;D ;D ;D

People like yourself seem to be pretty ignorant of this situation so here's some links to check out.

http://wjla.com/sports/washington-wizards/phoenix-trial-date-set-for-wizards-markieff-morris-twin-brother-accused-of-assault
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2017/4/28/15478956/markieff-marcus-morris-twins-get-court-date-in-phoenix-suns-detroit-pistons-washington-wizards-nba

Just so we're clear a felony is a crime punishable by more than a 1 year jail sentence.

And misdemeanors are punishable by up to 364 days. Is it "likely" that somebody committing a misdemeanor will do jail time?

I'm surprised it's so controversial to suggest that two men who initiated and participated in the gang beating of a man attempting to run away from them will go to jail...

Here's a link that cites the police report

http://www.nba.com/2015/news/04/08/suns-morris-twins-accused-of-beating-former-mentor.ap/

They had a man held down on the ground while they kicked him...  He had to go to the hospital and suffered a fractured nose among other injuries.   Witnesses positively identified the Morris brothers.

And the trial is next month...

Seems pretty likely to me that a judge and jury will look unfavorably on two giant men who - with three of their friends - held a youth basketball coach on the ground and proceeded to kick him in the face and lie to police about it.

Re: Not So Free Agent Signing
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2017, 06:08:07 PM »

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When it comes to the Celtics Cowherd is clearly antagonistic against most anything they do. When he was talking about the Bradley trade he doesn't even mention that they got Morris in the deal so he basically says we got Hayward for Olynyk and Bradley. He likes to view trades based on how many ppg are going out and how many ppg are coming in, so he says Bradley at 17ppg and Olynyk at 9ppg equals 25 and Hayward scored 22ppg.

First of all I think this is not a great way to evaluate a trade. If you just look at ppg going out and coming back you probably don't do the Garnett trade as the combination of Al Jefferson, Gerald Green etc. had more ppg than Garnett.

Secondly, if you want to use that formula to evaluate a trade you probably need to include the person Bradley was traded for. Morris 14ppg plus Hayward's is greater than Bradley's and Olynyk's total ppg.  I realize these players weren't all involved in a trade, but in essence this was very similar to a trade with these players involved.

Finally, I am very curious to see how Gordon's log are affected going from the 5th slowest paced team to one of the fastest paced teams in the league.