It was the right move for them and for us. They should try to bring Ibaka and Lowry back and go for it for a year or two. We on the other hand should be looking to contend without giving cup our future. Our true window begins in 2019-20

"All in"? They gave up the 25th pick, two seconds, and Terrence Ross. You think that's going to cripple their franchise?

That was their "all in", indeed. Not every team does have the enormous collection of assets the Celtics possess.

What I find interesting is they are having problems justifying paying for all of them again. Toronto may take a step back this year.

Of course, as it was undestandable for us to stand pat, because the Celtics are on the rise for the next years.

"All in"? They gave up the 25th pick, two seconds, and Terrence Ross. You think that's going to cripple their franchise?

I can see not wanting to trade "building block" pieces, but for role players and late #1s, the risk is pretty minimal.

It may surprise you to find out but a lot of success in life, both personally and professionally, is determined by the smaller choices, rather than the big "all or nothing" gambles.

The trades were not an unreasonable move for Toronto to make, given the state of their franchise.  But it didn't work and now there will be a cost.  Sometimes five little mistakes can be worse than one big mistake.

Mike

Quote from: liam on July 02, 2017, 01:29:41 AM

The Raptors went all in with trades for Ibaka and  P.J. Tucker. Many on this very board where saying how Danny missed the boat on these two guys. Toronto gave up assets for both and where swept out of the playoffs by The Cavs . Tucker is already on his way to the Rockets and Ibaka will be a surprise if he comes back. Tronto went all in for an end of season run that got them nowhere and it may end up being the beginning of The Raptors rebuild. I liked the way Danny handled this at the time and it looks way better in hindsight...

Where have you read that Ibaka will be a surprise if he comes back because I've been reading the exact opposite from every site.  This is straight off of Hoops Rumors yesterday. 

"A report earlier today suggested that the Raptors weren’t overly confident about their chances of retaining Tucker, but remained optimistic about bringing back Kyle Lowry and Serge Ibaka."

I think the idea is that Toronto clearly has ZERO chance of contending as currently constructed, so why wouldn't Ibaka...

A.  Take more money from another team?  The Raptors will be over the cap if they resign Lowry and have $80+ a year committed to him, DeRozen, Valanciunas and DeMarre Carrol.  Are they really going to match is some team offers Ibaka $19 mil a year?

B.  Take less money for at least a chance to win a ring?  If we get Hayward and offer Ibaka an MLE deal with an opt-out after one year, does the automatically turn it down?

Mike

Quote from: Geo123 on July 02, 2017, 10:35:12 AM

Quote from: liam on July 02, 2017, 01:29:41 AM

The Raptors went all in with trades for Ibaka and  P.J. Tucker. Many on this very board where saying how Danny missed the boat on these two guys. Toronto gave up assets for both and where swept out of the playoffs by The Cavs . Tucker is already on his way to the Rockets and Ibaka will be a surprise if he comes back. Tronto went all in for an end of season run that got them nowhere and it may end up being the beginning of The Raptors rebuild. I liked the way Danny handled this at the time and it looks way better in hindsight...

Where have you read that Ibaka will be a surprise if he comes back because I've been reading the exact opposite from every site.  This is straight off of Hoops Rumors yesterday. 

"A report earlier today suggested that the Raptors weren’t overly confident about their chances of retaining Tucker, but remained optimistic about bringing back Kyle Lowry and Serge Ibaka."

I think the idea is that Toronto clearly has ZERO chance of contending as currently constructed, so why wouldn't Ibaka...

A.  Take more money from another team?  The Raptors will be over the cap if they resign Lowry and have $80+ a year committed to him, DeRozen, Valanciunas and DeMarre Carrol.  Are they really going to match is some team offers Ibaka $19 mil a year?

B.  Take less money for at least a chance to win a ring?  If we get Hayward and offer Ibaka an MLE deal with an opt-out after one year, does the automatically turn it down?

Mike

Ibaka agreed to 3 yr, 65 million deal with Toronto that's why