Author Topic: Interesting tweet about super teams.  (Read 5610 times)

0 Members and 0 Guests are viewing this topic.

Re: Interesting tweet about super teams.
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2017, 02:15:04 PM »

Offline KGs Knee

  • Frank Ramsey
  • ************
  • Posts: 12765
  • Tommy Points: 1546
The salary cap is not "going down", what the hell is it with this nonsense.  The salary cap is still going up for next season, just not as much as was initially expected.  The bottom line is the league is still more profitable than it has ever been.  That is a fact.

Re: Interesting tweet about super teams.
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2017, 02:20:06 PM »

Online Donoghus

  • Global Moderator
  • Walter Brown
  • ********************************
  • Posts: 32765
  • Tommy Points: 1732
  • What a Pub Should Be
The salary cap is not "going down", what the hell is it with this nonsense.  The salary cap is still going up for next season, just not as much as was initially expected.  The bottom line is the league is still more profitable than it has ever been.  That is a fact.

Yeah, for clarification sake, that is what is being meant here.   Sorry for the confusion.


2010 CB Historical Draft - Best Overall Team

Re: Interesting tweet about super teams.
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2017, 02:20:06 PM »

Offline celticsclay

  • JoJo White
  • ****************
  • Posts: 16178
  • Tommy Points: 1407
Does the NBA need to contract teams?

No.   The league is flush with money & there's no way the player's union would ever go for that. 

Almost all of the "sky is falling" stuff out there right now is much ado about nothing and just stupid #hotsportstakes.  The league is fine.

That is not really true. The salary cap IS going down because the playoffs were not competitive and there were the least amount of games since the format changed in 2003.

Local TV ratings for a majority of teams were down this season (last I saw was 20 out of 30)

To my surprise, the ratings for this finals were very high (there was not that level of enthusiasm from my friends around the country or even here in the bay area where I live). However, I don't think having lower interest for the regular season and 90% of the playoffs is exactly good business.

The Warriors team is unprecedented in the modern NBA with 4 top 20 players in their early 20's playing together along with back to back MVPs.

The only hot take I really see is people that refuse to acknowledge there are some issues that the league has to figure out or it will become a much bigger problem than the small one it already is. Silver himself has acknowledged the cap spike with no smoothing wasn't great for the league and he is not exactly a sky is falling kind of guy.

Just because the cap is going down doesn't mean the league isn't healthy. Hell, if a couple of more games are played, it's a moot point.   

The "sky is falling" stuff is mostly based on anecdotal items.   A large scale picture of the league shows that it remains financially robust & healthy.  They've also globally better than any of the other Big 4 easily.  They also seem to pivot in regards to technology better than the other leagues. The competitive balance thing is an issue to some but things tend to correct themselves & once the cap spike is smoothed over & the lingering effects of the last CBA off off the books, any issues of competitive balance should correct themselves if people are genuinely worried about this "super team" concept. Its a temporary issue for now.  Also, and as always,  what looks written in stone now can make a huge swing with one injury here or there or just another team coming out of nowhere.

I agree with both of these two points. I also am not trying to say I think the league is some intense downward spiral that it can not recover from. I do think the league is heading in a direction that will reverse a lot of the positive things you are talking about. Perhaps we disagree on how much this will "naturally" work itself out without adjustments to the CBA.

I do object to people that are pretending these playoffs were not awful and that they are always like this because that is just not the case whether you look at total games played, record of the teams in the finals, amount of blowouts. By any objective measure they were a lousy set of playoffs. Now one year is not going to ruin the league. The NFL has had sloppy postseasons or terrible super bowls and it didn't matter. My concern would be, will it be crappy again next season?

I also do think if the Warriors and Cavs meet again in the 4th straight finals next season it will be a tipping point for the league where they will lose some fans. No other league I have followed the last 25+ years has had more than back to back championship matchups. Having it 4 years in a row would be very very boring and I say that as a fan of one of the better teams in the league. Imagine trying to get excited about it if you are in Orlando?

The other concern I have is that the superteam concept seems to be gaining momentum. Let's say Paul does go to the Spurs and Blake or Hayward comes to us. What does the rest of the league even do? The clippers become completely irrelevant. Utah becomes a mediocre team with no direction. This follows on the heels of OKC becoming an also ran from losing Durant and Ibaka and losing Toronto as an interesting team to age and superstar conglomeration. It is hard to get excited about THAT NBA. It really can get worse before it gets better.


Re: Interesting tweet about super teams.
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2017, 02:22:01 PM »

Offline libermaniac

  • Jim Loscutoff
  • **
  • Posts: 2944
  • Tommy Points: 385
The Warriors team is unprecedented in the modern NBA with 4 top 20 players in their early 20's playing together along with back to back MVPs.
You need to brush up on your math skills.  Draymond and Klay are 27.  Durant is 28, and Curry is 29.  Not sure any of that qualifies as "early" 20s.  ;)

The main problem that allowed this was the foolish decision to bump the salary cap by like $30 million in one off-season.  This meant that almost all teams had cap space for Durant.  I don't think the Warriors are unbeatable without KD.

Re: Interesting tweet about super teams.
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2017, 02:22:23 PM »

Offline celticsclay

  • JoJo White
  • ****************
  • Posts: 16178
  • Tommy Points: 1407
The salary cap is not "going down", what the hell is it with this nonsense.  The salary cap is still going up for next season, just not as much as was initially expected.  The bottom line is the league is still more profitable than it has ever been.  That is a fact.

Yeah, for clarification sake, that is what is being meant here.   Sorry for the confusion.

yea sorry down from projection. Sorry to ruffle your feathers.

Re: Interesting tweet about super teams.
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2017, 02:27:13 PM »

Offline KGs Knee

  • Frank Ramsey
  • ************
  • Posts: 12765
  • Tommy Points: 1546

To my surprise, the ratings for this finals were very high (there was not that level of enthusiasm from my friends around the country or even here in the bay area where I live). However, I don't think having lower interest for the regular season and 90% of the playoffs is exactly good business.



Clearly the issue here is you are incapable of seeing things going on outside of your own bubble.

The fact you were surprised that this years Finals were rated so highly is evidence you don't know what you are talking about.  Most casual NBA fans love seeing two heavyweight teams go at it.

Maybe you and your imaginary friends are upset about the fact the Warriors are running rough shod over the league right now, but if it was the Celtics doing it you wouldn't be saying a [dang] thing.  You sound like you're jealous, more than anything.  But stop watching if it really bothers you that much, you won't be missed.

LeBron doesn't even whine this much.

Re: Interesting tweet about super teams.
« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2017, 02:43:02 PM »

Offline celticsclay

  • JoJo White
  • ****************
  • Posts: 16178
  • Tommy Points: 1407

To my surprise, the ratings for this finals were very high (there was not that level of enthusiasm from my friends around the country or even here in the bay area where I live). However, I don't think having lower interest for the regular season and 90% of the playoffs is exactly good business.



Clearly the issue here is you are incapable of seeing things going on outside of your own bubble.

The fact you were surprised that this years Finals were rated so highly is evidence you don't know what you are talking about.  Most casual NBA fans love seeing two heavyweight teams go at it.

Maybe you and your imaginary friends are upset about the fact the Warriors are running rough shod over the league right now, but if it was the Celtics doing it you wouldn't be saying a [dang] thing.  You sound like you're jealous, more than anything.  But stop watching if it really bothers you that much, you won't be missed.

LeBron doesn't even whine this much.

First off, there really is no reason to take this tone or be a jerk about it. I certainly haven't insulted you at all and I am not sure what I have said that would make you feel the need to call my friends imaginary and say I am jealous and should stop watching.If everyone starts talking to each like that this board really will go down hill fast

That being said, I actually live in the Bay Area and have for about 10 years. The Warriors are who I probably root for the most besides the Celtics because most of close friends work there and the company I work for also has a partnership with them (I am attending the parade Thursday for work). So all that being said what is your deal?

I really enjoy the playoffs traditionally, second only to March madness. This year the games were blowouts. I would sit down with my friends or coworkers to watch the jazz warriors games and they just were not very entertaining. There was only 9 games in both conference finals, which are traditionally really good basketball to watch. It sucked and I felt like I got cheated out of good entertainment. Do you really feel otherwise? Even if so, that is cool. I am not going to berate for you feeling that way.

Re: Interesting tweet about super teams.
« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2017, 02:44:20 PM »

Offline celticsclay

  • JoJo White
  • ****************
  • Posts: 16178
  • Tommy Points: 1407
The Warriors team is unprecedented in the modern NBA with 4 top 20 players in their early 20's playing together along with back to back MVPs.
You need to brush up on your math skills.  Draymond and Klay are 27.  Durant is 28, and Curry is 29.  Not sure any of that qualifies as "early" 20s.  ;)

The main problem that allowed this was the foolish decision to bump the salary cap by like $30 million in one off-season.  This meant that almost all teams had cap space for Durant.  I don't think the Warriors are unbeatable without KD.

yea sorry I just meant their 20's. TP

Re: Interesting tweet about super teams.
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2017, 02:51:24 PM »

Offline wiley

  • Antoine Walker
  • ****
  • Posts: 4855
  • Tommy Points: 386
If Cleveland is to have a chance against the Durant-led Warriors, Kevin Love has to go.  He was useful against the Warriors pre-Durant.  Now he is a borderline liability due to his slowness.

Here is the trade Cleveland should ask Boston for if they want to have a chance in next year's finals:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydhgw5by

That's Zeller, Crowder, AB and Mickey for Love.

Boston should respond by asking for the Cav's 2018 first rounder (pick 27 or 28...) along with Love, and can give the Cavs a second rounder so the Cavs can add a young body...


To beat the Warriors there has to be a player who can make life miserable for Curry.  That would be Bradley.  Meanwhile Crowder can help deal with both Klay Thompson and Durant.

The Warriors small ball lineup is something Cleveland cannot come close to dealing with.  With this trade they could:

It would be Iriving, Bradley, Smith, Crowder, Lebron  Verses Curry, Thompson, Iggy, Durant, Green

That's a MUCH better shot against the Warriors than with slow-footed Love out there. 

I am not much of a fan of Love at this point. But if became a Celtic I would root hard for him
as a piece of the puzzle and much needed big man help/rebounding. 

IT, Fultz, Rozier
Smart, Brown
Hayward, Brown, Smart
Love, KO (re-signed), Yabu
Horford, Zizic

If Fultz blossoms quickly then eventual trade of IT.  with Bradley gone keeping Smart would be essential and there would be plenty of offense with Fultz and Hayward and Love. 


Re: Interesting tweet about super teams.
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2017, 02:55:26 PM »

Offline guava_wrench

  • Satch Sanders
  • *********
  • Posts: 9931
  • Tommy Points: 777
Does the NBA need to contract teams?
That would not matter at all.

Re: Interesting tweet about super teams.
« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2017, 03:00:39 PM »

Offline guava_wrench

  • Satch Sanders
  • *********
  • Posts: 9931
  • Tommy Points: 777
Does the NBA need to contract teams?

No.   The league is flush with money & there's no way the player's union would ever go for that. 

Almost all of the "sky is falling" stuff out there right now is much ado about nothing and just stupid #hotsportstakes.  The league is fine.

That is not really true. The salary cap IS going down because the playoffs were not competitive and there were the least amount of games since the format changed in 2003.

Local TV ratings for a majority of teams were down this season (last I saw was 20 out of 30)

To my surprise, the ratings for this finals were very high (there was not that level of enthusiasm from my friends around the country or even here in the bay area where I live). However, I don't think having lower interest for the regular season and 90% of the playoffs is exactly good business.

The Warriors team is unprecedented in the modern NBA with 4 top 20 players in their early 20's playing together along with back to back MVPs.

The only hot take I really see is people that refuse to acknowledge there are some issues that the league has to figure out or it will become a much bigger problem than the small one it already is. Silver himself has acknowledged the cap spike with no smoothing wasn't great for the league and he is not exactly a sky is falling kind of guy.
Salary cap is going down because playoffs weren't competitive? Huh? How did you come up with that claim?

I agree that the cap spike was bad news. GS was luck to also have all their top guys waaaaay underpaid to make that all possible.

Re: Interesting tweet about super teams.
« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2017, 03:08:11 PM »

Offline celticsclay

  • JoJo White
  • ****************
  • Posts: 16178
  • Tommy Points: 1407
Does the NBA need to contract teams?

No.   The league is flush with money & there's no way the player's union would ever go for that. 

Almost all of the "sky is falling" stuff out there right now is much ado about nothing and just stupid #hotsportstakes.  The league is fine.

That is not really true. The salary cap IS going down because the playoffs were not competitive and there were the least amount of games since the format changed in 2003.

Local TV ratings for a majority of teams were down this season (last I saw was 20 out of 30)

To my surprise, the ratings for this finals were very high (there was not that level of enthusiasm from my friends around the country or even here in the bay area where I live). However, I don't think having lower interest for the regular season and 90% of the playoffs is exactly good business.

The Warriors team is unprecedented in the modern NBA with 4 top 20 players in their early 20's playing together along with back to back MVPs.

The only hot take I really see is people that refuse to acknowledge there are some issues that the league has to figure out or it will become a much bigger problem than the small one it already is. Silver himself has acknowledged the cap spike with no smoothing wasn't great for the league and he is not exactly a sky is falling kind of guy.
Salary cap is going down because playoffs weren't competitive? Huh? How did you come up with that claim?

I agree that the cap spike was bad news. GS was luck to also have all their top guys waaaaay underpaid to make that all possible.

It isn't my claim. I don't have the links handy but it has been reported multiple places the salary cap will be about 1 million less then what was projected before the playoffs because there were fewer playoff games than ever (9 less than last year for example).