DeAndre Ayton vs. Mohamed Bamba

[CFAN38]

Interesting. Between these two and Porter, looks like top-3 next year is going to be the sweet spot. Of course, all that might change after a year in school.

Ayton looks several inches taller than Bamba even with that hair of his. And I thought Ayton was a bit thicker like an Al Jefferson? He looks like he's really leaned out (in a good way), and both of them look good size and really long.

You can't leave out Luka Doncic. Those 4 could make an amazing draft class.

[nickagneta]

Interesting. Between these two and Porter, looks like top-3 next year is going to be the sweet spot. Of course, all that might change after a year in school.

Ayton looks several inches taller than Bamba even with that hair of his. And I thought Ayton was a bit thicker like an Al Jefferson? He looks like he's really leaned out (in a good way), and both of them look good size and really long.

You can't leave out Luka Doncic. Those 4 could make an amazing draft class.

Problem is there isn't much in next year's draft but those 4 guys. The drop off in talent is considerable.

I would want Porter but would be happy with any of next year's top 4 players.

[jpotter33]

Interesting. Between these two and Porter, looks like top-3 next year is going to be the sweet spot. Of course, all that might change after a year in school.

Ayton looks several inches taller than Bamba even with that hair of his. And I thought Ayton was a bit thicker like an Al Jefferson? He looks like he's really leaned out (in a good way), and both of them look good size and really long.

You can't leave out Luka Doncic. Those 4 could make an amazing draft class.

Problem is there isn't much in next year's draft but those 4 guys. The drop off in talent is considerable.

I would want Porter but would be happy with any of next year's top 4 players.

Don't know much about Porter, but I've seen his measurables and know he's considered the top prospect as of now. Is he more of a Blake Griffin/Ben Simmons type athletic 4, or is he a bigger 3 like Durant? I'd much prefer the former, because I think Brown ends up our long-term 3 eventually. 

With our serious lack of competent bigs, if three of the top four prospects next year are bigs (4's and 5's), that'd be pretty beneficial for us.

[Future Celtics Owner]

Didn't we have a thread.....

Here is some stuff on Ayton that I have not seen anyone mention:
- Ayton has never lifted weights in his life. His new coach says he is getting plugged immediately into their strength and conditioning program. Ayton came to Arizona weighing in at an impressive 250lbs. Ayton apparently only did pushups, pullups, and etc. but nothing with weights in order to not stunt his growth....very smart
- Here is a video of his coach talking about Ayton and his potential to get ripped....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eL8TjZ2u-I
-Ayton has 7'5.5'' wingspan and 9'4.5'' standing reach= GOLD STANDARD IN LENGTH
-He has the ability to be a slightly larger, and longer,  form of Myles Turner due to his shot.
- Ayton has yet offensively dominate in one of the big Hoop Summit or etc. and that is something scouts are looking for.
These are 2 of the better videos I have found that display Ayton's shooting ability. It is VERY important to watch both bc they are not long and you can see his offensive potential for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXn2BkmxygQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S14-72ESLo

He shows a decent step-back jumper in the game against Carter. IMO he has shown some nice flashes of a jumper that would translate to the NBA.

[Big333223]

Both look like really fluid athletes for their size. It would be truly amazing to add one of them with a Nets pick after getting Fultz with one this summer.

But we'll see how they react to the college game.

[Future Celtics Owner]

Interesting. Between these two and Porter, looks like top-3 next year is going to be the sweet spot. Of course, all that might change after a year in school.

Ayton looks several inches taller than Bamba even with that hair of his. And I thought Ayton was a bit thicker like an Al Jefferson? He looks like he's really leaned out (in a good way), and both of them look good size and really long.

You can't leave out Luka Doncic. Those 4 could make an amazing draft class.

Problem is there isn't much in next year's draft but those 4 guys. The drop off in talent is considerable.

I would want Porter but would be happy with any of next year's top 4 players.

Don't know much about Porter, but I've seen his measurables and know he's considered the top prospect as of now. Is he more of a Blake Griffin/Ben Simmons type athletic 4, or is he a bigger 3 like Durant? I'd much prefer the former, because I think Brown ends up our long-term 3 eventually. 

With our serious lack of competent bigs, if three of the top four prospects next year are bigs (4's and 5's), that'd be pretty beneficial for us.

I see MPJ as a 3. He is nowhere near as long as Durant or even Ingram. I think he could be like Crowder, a 3 that can also play the 4. He's a better shooter than Simmons.

Persoanlly I want Jaylen as our long-term 2. Fultz at PG and Jaylen at SG, he's only 6'5.25'' w/o shoes. His length is very elite and he has elite strength overall and he is completely able to defend and play the 3 and sometimes 4
. I get that we have a lot of 1/2's and it would be easier to just slap SF on Jaylen but IMO he would be a dominant SG...physically he has the elite quickness and strength to destroy other 2's.

I get if we are in a win-now mode and we do not make trades then things will get tied up with minutes at 1-2-3...especially with Fultz.

[jpotter33]

Interesting. Between these two and Porter, looks like top-3 next year is going to be the sweet spot. Of course, all that might change after a year in school.

Ayton looks several inches taller than Bamba even with that hair of his. And I thought Ayton was a bit thicker like an Al Jefferson? He looks like he's really leaned out (in a good way), and both of them look good size and really long.

You can't leave out Luka Doncic. Those 4 could make an amazing draft class.

Problem is there isn't much in next year's draft but those 4 guys. The drop off in talent is considerable.

I would want Porter but would be happy with any of next year's top 4 players.

Don't know much about Porter, but I've seen his measurables and know he's considered the top prospect as of now. Is he more of a Blake Griffin/Ben Simmons type athletic 4, or is he a bigger 3 like Durant? I'd much prefer the former, because I think Brown ends up our long-term 3 eventually. 

With our serious lack of competent bigs, if three of the top four prospects next year are bigs (4's and 5's), that'd be pretty beneficial for us.

I see MPJ as a 3. He is nowhere near as long as Durant or even Ingram. I think he could be like Crowder, a 3 that can also play the 4. He's a better shooter than Simmons.

Persoanlly I want Jaylen as our long-term 2. Fultz at PG and Jaylen at SG, he's only 6'5.25'' w/o shoes. His length is very elite and he has elite strength overall and he is completely able to defend and play the 3 and sometimes 4
. I get that we have a lot of 1/2's and it would be easier to just slap SF on Jaylen but IMO he would be a dominant SG...physically he has the elite quickness and strength to destroy other 2's.

I get if we are in a win-now mode and we do not make trades then things will get tied up with minutes at 1-2-3...especially with Fultz.

I like him more as a Derozan-type 2 going forward, too, because it seems like he has the quickness and foot speed to stay with twos defensively, while having a significant size, strength, and length advantage, too.

But it seems like they're prepping him to be the 3 long-term once we move on from Jae. But Fultz and Brown would be a pretty crazy backcourt with elite size, length, and athleticism.

[saltlover]

Interesting. Between these two and Porter, looks like top-3 next year is going to be the sweet spot. Of course, all that might change after a year in school.

Ayton looks several inches taller than Bamba even with that hair of his. And I thought Ayton was a bit thicker like an Al Jefferson? He looks like he's really leaned out (in a good way), and both of them look good size and really long.

You can't leave out Luka Doncic. Those 4 could make an amazing draft class.

Problem is there isn't much in next year's draft but those 4 guys. The drop off in talent is considerable.

I would want Porter but would be happy with any of next year's top 4 players.

Don't know much about Porter, but I've seen his measurables and know he's considered the top prospect as of now. Is he more of a Blake Griffin/Ben Simmons type athletic 4, or is he a bigger 3 like Durant? I'd much prefer the former, because I think Brown ends up our long-term 3 eventually. 

With our serious lack of competent bigs, if three of the top four prospects next year are bigs (4's and 5's), that'd be pretty beneficial for us.

I see MPJ as a 3. He is nowhere near as long as Durant or even Ingram. I think he could be like Crowder, a 3 that can also play the 4. He's a better shooter than Simmons.

Persoanlly I want Jaylen as our long-term 2. Fultz at PG and Jaylen at SG, he's only 6'5.25'' w/o shoes. His length is very elite and he has elite strength overall and he is completely able to defend and play the 3 and sometimes 4
. I get that we have a lot of 1/2's and it would be easier to just slap SF on Jaylen but IMO he would be a dominant SG...physically he has the elite quickness and strength to destroy other 2's.

I get if we are in a win-now mode and we do not make trades then things will get tied up with minutes at 1-2-3...especially with Fultz.

Durant at age 18 measured with a 9'1/2" standing reach.  Porter measured at 9 feet even at the same age, all of 1/2 inch shorter.  We'll likely not know what he measures at the combine next year, to see if he continued to grow another inch (or had an inch added to his measurements, since he was listed at the same height and wingspan both years)like KD did, but the length is not an issue.  All three of Porter, Ingram, and KD are plenty long for the PF, measuring several inches longer than Kevin Love, who's an archetypal PF.  The question is more about thickness and strength.  He's got about 20 pounds on Ingram, but is about equal to KD, at the same age.  If he fills out a bit more he could easily be a full time 4.  If he remains a little more wiry, then yes, he's more of a 3 who can play up at times.

[Future Celtics Owner]

Interesting. Between these two and Porter, looks like top-3 next year is going to be the sweet spot. Of course, all that might change after a year in school.

Ayton looks several inches taller than Bamba even with that hair of his. And I thought Ayton was a bit thicker like an Al Jefferson? He looks like he's really leaned out (in a good way), and both of them look good size and really long.

You can't leave out Luka Doncic. Those 4 could make an amazing draft class.

Problem is there isn't much in next year's draft but those 4 guys. The drop off in talent is considerable.

I would want Porter but would be happy with any of next year's top 4 players.

Don't know much about Porter, but I've seen his measurables and know he's considered the top prospect as of now. Is he more of a Blake Griffin/Ben Simmons type athletic 4, or is he a bigger 3 like Durant? I'd much prefer the former, because I think Brown ends up our long-term 3 eventually. 

With our serious lack of competent bigs, if three of the top four prospects next year are bigs (4's and 5's), that'd be pretty beneficial for us.

I see MPJ as a 3. He is nowhere near as long as Durant or even Ingram. I think he could be like Crowder, a 3 that can also play the 4. He's a better shooter than Simmons.

Persoanlly I want Jaylen as our long-term 2. Fultz at PG and Jaylen at SG, he's only 6'5.25'' w/o shoes. His length is very elite and he has elite strength overall and he is completely able to defend and play the 3 and sometimes 4
. I get that we have a lot of 1/2's and it would be easier to just slap SF on Jaylen but IMO he would be a dominant SG...physically he has the elite quickness and strength to destroy other 2's.

I get if we are in a win-now mode and we do not make trades then things will get tied up with minutes at 1-2-3...especially with Fultz.

Durant at age 18 measured with a 9'1/2" standing reach.  Porter measured at 9 feet even at the same age, all of 1/2 inch shorter.  We'll likely not know what he measures at the combine next year, to see if he continued to grow another inch (or had an inch added to his measurements, since he was listed at the same height and wingspan both years)like KD did, but the length is not an issue.  All three of Porter, Ingram, and KD are plenty long for the PF, measuring several inches longer than Kevin Love, who's an archetypal PF.  The question is more about thickness and strength.  He's got about 20 pounds on Ingram, but is about equal to KD, at the same age.  If he fills out a bit more he could easily be a full time 4.  If he remains a little more wiry, then yes, he's more of a 3 who can play up at times.

Porter is actually older right now than Durant was when he was drafted. Durant was like 18.7 when drafted and MPJ is currently 18.9.

Durant actually had a 9'2'' standing reach at the combine....with basically a 7'5'' wingspan. Porter, as of 2017,  only has a 9' standing reach with a 7' wingspan....kinda a big differance, especially with Porter being older and whatever...."The More You Know"

No big deal. If a player can play then length is so much less of an issue, like with your reference of Kevin Love. But if you are offering me Kevin Love or Kevin Love with a 7'5'' wingspan and 9' standing reach........well,  you know who I'm taking. Same goes for Blake and Horford.

Wingspan and Standing Reach are just variables to help gauge a player and there are a ton of variables. Including private workouts that we can not see.

[clevelandceltic]

Porter is a lethal shooter. He doesnt get to the rim as much as you want but I would sure take him.

[CelticsElite]

Didn't we have a thread.....

Here is some stuff on Ayton that I have not seen anyone mention:
- Ayton has never lifted weights in his life. His new coach says he is getting plugged immediately into their strength and conditioning program. Ayton came to Arizona weighing in at an impressive 250lbs. Ayton apparently only did pushups, pullups, and etc. but nothing with weights in order to not stunt his growth....very smart
- Here is a video of his coach talking about Ayton and his potential to get ripped....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eL8TjZ2u-I
-Ayton has 7'5.5'' wingspan and 9'4.5'' standing reach= GOLD STANDARD IN LENGTH
-He has the ability to be a slightly larger, and longer,  form of Myles Turner due to his shot.
- Ayton has yet offensively dominate in one of the big Hoop Summit or etc. and that is something scouts are looking for.
These are 2 of the better videos I have found that display Ayton's shooting ability. It is VERY important to watch both bc they are not long and you can see his offensive potential for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXn2BkmxygQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S14-72ESLo

He shows a decent step-back jumper in the game against Carter. IMO he has shown some nice flashes of a jumper that would translate to the NBA.

a 9'4.5" standing reach. He can literally almost touch the hoop standing flat. Its also less than 2 inches shorter than Yao Mings standing reach of 9-6.25

Yao Mings size with the athleticism of young KG. That pick is officially untradeable in my book

[Somebody]

I like Bamba more, just a personal preference. He seems very smart and hardworking, also has those insane measurements

[mmmmm]

Interesting. Between these two and Porter, looks like top-3 next year is going to be the sweet spot. Of course, all that might change after a year in school.

Ayton looks several inches taller than Bamba even with that hair of his. And I thought Ayton was a bit thicker like an Al Jefferson? He looks like he's really leaned out (in a good way), and both of them look good size and really long.

You seem to be over-looking Luka Doncic.

[max215]

I'll take Bamba. Theoretically, he'd be exactly what we need alongside Markelle. He also seems like a genuinely wonderful kid.

[nickagneta]

I'll take Bamba. Theoretically, he'd be exactly what we need alongside Markelle. He also seems like a genuinely wonderful

I would want Porter. I think he is going to be a special offensive player very quickly in the NBA. Him, Fultz and Brown would be who I would want as a big 3 in 5-6 years.