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Is adding 2 impact players possible this summer?
« on: May 09, 2017, 08:07:52 PM »

Offline jade88

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Ok so rather than be vague, let me cut right to it.

Remember how much salary the Brooklyn Nets took on in 2013 in an attempt to win it all? Are we in a position to do something similar? They had D'Will, Joe Johnson, and Brook Lopez and added KG and Paul Pierce. If our owner ship who did allude that we need 2 stars, wanted to added them, could they?

What would the moving parts look like? Who would we want?

Just wondering what our absolute ceiling for the summer is. I remember Cavs GM Griffin saying he thought that we might get George and Butler via trade, if money is no object, would the cap allow for something like that?

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Re: Is adding 2 impact players possible this summer?
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2017, 09:04:06 PM »

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The cap wouldn't be an issue.  With Butler and PG at 18.7M and 19.3M and our nearly 30M cap space, matching salaries to make the trades work wouldn't be difficult.  It would take both Brooklyn picks and quite a bit more to actually get them assuming they are even available. 

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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2017, 09:31:03 PM »

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You'd have to somehow convince one team to take the 2018 Nets Pick, not 2017.

Because, you know, there's only one 2017 BKN Pick LOL.

But this could be a potential roster if a deal were made:

PG: Isaiah/Rozier/Jackson
SG: Butler/Smart/Green
SF: George/Brown/Nader
PF: Olynyk/(MLE signing)
C: Horford/Zizic

Crowder, Bradley, both Nets Picks gone (and some filler like Zeller and 1-2 future picks)

I think that works out $$$ wise with about 15-16M gone. Then keep KO on Bird Rights and use the exceptions you have to sign people to fill the roster.

There will still need to be something that happens to help at the 4 and 5 positions (depth).

Unless PG13 is willing to play the 4 for quite a bit as well.
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Re: Is adding 2 impact players possible this summer?
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2017, 01:00:34 AM »

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The cap wouldn't be an issue.  With Butler and PG at 18.7M and 19.3M and our nearly 30M cap space, matching salaries to make the trades work wouldn't be difficult.  It would take both Brooklyn picks and quite a bit more to actually get them assuming they are even available.
Yeah, if you're talking about trades, teams generally end up about even salary-wise.  The bigger issue is that we don't have the assets to bring in two stars.

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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2017, 01:20:36 AM »

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In theory, you can do anything with the sole constraint being that there is only enough free cap to add one max FA with some minor finagling. Trades can be constructed to be cap-neutral. Down the road, you can go over the cap to sign your own players.

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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2017, 01:24:13 AM »

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The cap wouldn't be an issue.  With Butler and PG at 18.7M and 19.3M and our nearly 30M cap space, matching salaries to make the trades work wouldn't be difficult.  It would take both Brooklyn picks and quite a bit more to actually get them assuming they are even available.
Yeah, if you're talking about trades, teams generally end up about even salary-wise.  The bigger issue is that we don't have the assets to bring in two stars.

You don't think BK 18 is coveted?

I think BK 17 can land us Jimmy or George.

I think Crowder and filler can get Us Melo if we want him.

Thomas, Butler, Melo, PF, Horford

One route.

If George wants out and his price is reasonable, BK 18 and Jaylen.

We could also sign a FA like Blake or Hayward, and then trade for another.

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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2017, 02:26:14 AM »

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The cap wouldn't be an issue.  With Butler and PG at 18.7M and 19.3M and our nearly 30M cap space, matching salaries to make the trades work wouldn't be difficult.  It would take both Brooklyn picks and quite a bit more to actually get them assuming they are even available.
Yeah, if you're talking about trades, teams generally end up about even salary-wise.  The bigger issue is that we don't have the assets to bring in two stars.

You don't think BK 18 is coveted?

I think BK 17 can land us Jimmy or George.

I think Crowder and filler can get Us Melo if we want him.

Thomas, Butler, Melo, PF, Horford

One route.

If George wants out and his price is reasonable, BK 18 and Jaylen.

We could also sign a FA like Blake or Hayward, and then trade for another.


I like this more. But still to put some bigger body in the paint.

Re: Is adding 2 impact players possible this summer?
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2017, 02:57:52 AM »

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The cap wouldn't be an issue.  With Butler and PG at 18.7M and 19.3M and our nearly 30M cap space, matching salaries to make the trades work wouldn't be difficult.  It would take both Brooklyn picks and quite a bit more to actually get them assuming they are even available.

Where did you get that $30M in cap space theory?

Re: Is adding 2 impact players possible this summer?
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2017, 03:28:10 AM »

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The cap wouldn't be an issue.  With Butler and PG at 18.7M and 19.3M and our nearly 30M cap space, matching salaries to make the trades work wouldn't be difficult.  It would take both Brooklyn picks and quite a bit more to actually get them assuming they are even available.
Yeah, if you're talking about trades, teams generally end up about even salary-wise.  The bigger issue is that we don't have the assets to bring in two stars.

You don't think BK 18 is coveted?

I think BK 17 can land us Jimmy or George.

I think Crowder and filler can get Us Melo if we want him.

Thomas, Butler, Melo, PF, Horford

One route.

If George wants out and his price is reasonable, BK 18 and Jaylen.

We could also sign a FA like Blake or Hayward, and then trade for another.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves. 

I think everybody knows that Fultz is the top talent in this draft, and the next couple of guys after him are a significant drop off. 

The Brooklyn pick might well drop in value from now until the time trades open up again.  If lottery doesn't go our way and that pick falls to #2 or worse, then it's value drops significantly. 

There's also the fact that three of the top 5 prospects are point guards.  Any team out there who doesn't have a desperate need for a PG might not be all that willing to give up star talent for that pick. 

Lucky for us Chicago is one team that is desperate for a PG - regardless of whether they want to compete or rebuilt, that pick could be very valuable to them.  However unless they decide it's time to go full rebuild mode, it's not going to make much sense for them to trade Butler to get it. 

He's a young star on a pretty friendly contract, it's a big gamble trading him for a potential star, especially given how often high picks fail to work out (e.g. Jabari Parker and Dante Exum - no way you'd trade Butler for either of those two guys).   

So I think for Chicago to trade Butler for that pick, it probably needs to fall top 2.  They would need to know that they can get either Fultz or (at the very least) Ball with that pick, otherwise I doubt they'd be willing to move Butler.

The same is probably true for Indiana, as George is still young and has quite a bit of star power around the league, so unless you can get a top 2 pick I'm not sure you trade a guy of that calibre. 

Personally I would try knocking on the Pelican's door and see if I can get either Cousins or Davis back in return for that pick.  Cousins / Davis has the potential to be one of the top front-courts in the history of the NBA, but it's still uncertain if they will be able to play well together. 

Considering that AD is only 24 years old, and that they didn't have to give up that much to get him in the first place, it might be a smart move for the Pelicans to trade Cousins to the Celtics if that pick falls in the top 2. 

Cousins would offer Boston the size, strength, post scoring, rebounding and "Perkins-like" toughness that they so desperately need...while his passing ability and ability to stretch the floor make him a perfect fit in Brad's system.

Finally, if there is ANY player in this league who can be a positive influence on Cousins it is Al Horford.  He must be one of the nicest guys in the NBA, and he's a multi-time all star, so there's a good chance Cousins would listen to him.

It's a long stretch, but with the latest AD injury it's also possible the Pelicans might decided to take a pass on Davis and move forward with Cousins as their franchise big.  I doubt they'd move him lightly, but an offer starting with a #1 / #2 pick might make them at least hear Ainge out.

Re: Is adding 2 impact players possible this summer?
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2017, 03:51:17 AM »

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The cap wouldn't be an issue.  With Butler and PG at 18.7M and 19.3M and our nearly 30M cap space, matching salaries to make the trades work wouldn't be difficult.  It would take both Brooklyn picks and quite a bit more to actually get them assuming they are even available.

Where did you get that $30M in cap space theory?
Same place everyone that suggests signing Hayward or Griffin in free agency does.  Have to let Amir (UFA), JJ (UFA), Zeller (non-guaranteed) and KO (RFA) go but that is well worth it to get a star. 

Edit:  Should have mentioned trading our Brooklyn pick would free up ~5-8M of cap space.   If we still have it, we wouldn't have enough space to MAX Hayward or Griffin without moving another player.   
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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2017, 04:05:34 AM »

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The cap wouldn't be an issue.  With Butler and PG at 18.7M and 19.3M and our nearly 30M cap space, matching salaries to make the trades work wouldn't be difficult.  It would take both Brooklyn picks and quite a bit more to actually get them assuming they are even available.
Yeah, if you're talking about trades, teams generally end up about even salary-wise.  The bigger issue is that we don't have the assets to bring in two stars.

You don't think BK 18 is coveted?

I think BK 17 can land us Jimmy or George.

I think Crowder and filler can get Us Melo if we want him.

Thomas, Butler, Melo, PF, Horford

One route.

If George wants out and his price is reasonable, BK 18 and Jaylen.

We could also sign a FA like Blake or Hayward, and then trade for another.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves. 

I think everybody knows that Fultz is the top talent in this draft, and the next couple of guys after him are a significant drop off. 

The Brooklyn pick might well drop in value from now until the time trades open up again.  If lottery doesn't go our way and that pick falls to #2 or worse, then it's value drops significantly. 

There's also the fact that three of the top 5 prospects are point guards.  Any team out there who doesn't have a desperate need for a PG might not be all that willing to give up star talent for that pick. 

Lucky for us Chicago is one team that is desperate for a PG - regardless of whether they want to compete or rebuilt, that pick could be very valuable to them.  However unless they decide it's time to go full rebuild mode, it's not going to make much sense for them to trade Butler to get it. 

He's a young star on a pretty friendly contract, it's a big gamble trading him for a potential star, especially given how often high picks fail to work out (e.g. Jabari Parker and Dante Exum - no way you'd trade Butler for either of those two guys).   

So I think for Chicago to trade Butler for that pick, it probably needs to fall top 2.  They would need to know that they can get either Fultz or (at the very least) Ball with that pick, otherwise I doubt they'd be willing to move Butler.

The same is probably true for Indiana, as George is still young and has quite a bit of star power around the league, so unless you can get a top 2 pick I'm not sure you trade a guy of that calibre. 

Personally I would try knocking on the Pelican's door and see if I can get either Cousins or Davis back in return for that pick.  Cousins / Davis has the potential to be one of the top front-courts in the history of the NBA, but it's still uncertain if they will be able to play well together. 

Considering that AD is only 24 years old, and that they didn't have to give up that much to get him in the first place, it might be a smart move for the Pelicans to trade Cousins to the Celtics if that pick falls in the top 2. 

Cousins would offer Boston the size, strength, post scoring, rebounding and "Perkins-like" toughness that they so desperately need...while his passing ability and ability to stretch the floor make him a perfect fit in Brad's system.

Finally, if there is ANY player in this league who can be a positive influence on Cousins it is Al Horford.  He must be one of the nicest guys in the NBA, and he's a multi-time all star, so there's a good chance Cousins would listen to him.

It's a long stretch, but with the latest AD injury it's also possible the Pelicans might decided to take a pass on Davis and move forward with Cousins as their franchise big.  I doubt they'd move him lightly, but an offer starting with a #1 / #2 pick might make them at least hear Ainge out.
You talk about the difficulty getting Butler and PG but then suggest AD as an option who is a lot less attainable.  The Bulls have already shopped Butler albeit with a high asking price.  Indiana will try to trade PG if he says he isn't going to resign with them.  As for Cousins, Ainge already had an opportunity to trade for Cousins but didn't make an offer so why would he do so now? 

Re: Is adding 2 impact players possible this summer?
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2017, 10:53:20 AM »

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Can we come up with a better example then the Nets?




But yes.


1)  Sign Hayward or Blake

2)  Draft a top 4 rookie. 

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Not to bad...

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Not to bad...
Add Dano from the Nuggets and grow as a team. Butler and George will not be celtics. George wants to be a Laker. When reason prevails in Chicago butler stays or he goes to NY. Heyward will stay jazz to much potential for that team and he will end up being second only to Karl Malone and without a title. Do you really think pretty boy Blake Griffin is coming here. Let's just build and hope. Trade vets for pick and build some more. Brown looks like he many amazes us. And all our vets will have better seasons next IMO.
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BK 18 might be a better pick than BK 17.

I am really for taking Fultz this year and then getting a Doncic, Porter or Ayton in 2018. That BK pick is not going to be any worse than #3.

That gives you 2 really good young pieces. Then you need to add a max player to the mix. I prefer Hayward. Let Bradley, KO walk..resign Smart and IT.