Ainge Explains Why He Didn't Make A Minor Move For Rebounding..

[Timdawgg]

it's been exactly 6 years to the day since we traded perk

6 years since we've had a CENTER playing center. Hopefully we don't have to wait much longer.

Are you saying that 38 year old Shaq wasn't a center!? Although I guess he might not fit the "playing" part of "playing center" 

Mentioning Shaq.  Makes me sad that team when healthy was unstoppable.   The Celts were torching people that year until Shaq got hurt.   

[oldtype]

Don't know if I agree with this.  A pure rebounding big doesn't fit our style of play, but it can be helpful to have the option when we're getting killed on the boards. 

[tstorey_97]

Ainge and Stevens are  in step with the modern NBA.

The Celtics are 3rd in the league in 3 pt attempts.
They are 6th in PPG.

GS is 5th in 3pt attempts.

"Centers" as we know them appear to have changed to the point that Amir who can't really jump anymore, Zeller who is essentially a 3rd stringer, Jerebko who is a "big" but, is relied on to hit 3's with KO who gets underneath sort of, but, really is a 7 ft shooting guard, Horford is kind of playing like he's hurt (only excuse I can think of)...this group plays on a team that literally runs away from rebounding opportunities unless it's their 6'2" 180 pound "all world rebounder" shooting guard.

Recipe for disaster? They are 17-6 since Jan.1 (w/o their #1 rebounder Bradley)and nobody wants to play them.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Ainge's explanation doesn't make sense. He talks about Boston's desire to "spread the floor" with its bigs, but that's on offense; Boston's biggest rebounding problem is defensive rebounding—that is, giving up too many offensive rebounds to opponents. Boston needs to be able to limit opponents to one shot per possession, which means that relying on KO and Al is a disaster.

[GreenShooter]

Ainge's explanation doesn't make sense. He talks about Boston's desire to "spread the floor" with its bigs, but that's on offense; Boston's biggest rebounding problem is defensive rebounding—that is, giving up too many offensive rebounds to opponents. Boston needs to be able to limit opponents to one shot per possession, which means that relying on KO and Al is a disaster.

THIS! I was going to post something very similar. I think he's being bashed by media and fans for not making a move at the deadline or even before so he's just trying to deflect the criticism with a b.s excuse. Does he think we're that dumb? We get killed on the offensive boards!

[saltlover]

Ainge's explanation doesn't make sense. He talks about Boston's desire to "spread the floor" with its bigs, but that's on offense; Boston's biggest rebounding problem is defensive rebounding—that is, giving up too many offensive rebounds to opponents. Boston needs to be able to limit opponents to one shot per possession, which means that relying on KO and Al is a disaster.

It's not football -- you can't swap offensive and defensive players every possession.   If you want Andrew Bogut out there getting defensive rebounds, it means that he's out there not spreading the floor on offense.  Ideally the Celtics would have a power forward who can hit threes, pass, and set good screens on offense while also being capable of getting rebounds on defense.  But they aren't getting Draymond Green, and I guess they couldn't quite get JaMychal Green.  Hopefully in a couple of years that's what Yabusele turns into.  That's what they hoped Jordan Mickey would become, but it hasn't worked out.

[Smokeeye123]

Ainge's explanation doesn't make sense. He talks about Boston's desire to "spread the floor" with its bigs, but that's on offense; Boston's biggest rebounding problem is defensive rebounding—that is, giving up too many offensive rebounds to opponents. Boston needs to be able to limit opponents to one shot per possession, which means that relying on KO and Al is a disaster.

You cant have seperate players on defense or offense every possession...You either have offensive minded passing bigs who can shoot on the floor or you dont. Thats the way they like to run their offense. They knowingly choose offensive skill over defensive rebounding.

[Csfan1984]

Love that he says a rebounding specialist wouldn't get any play if he can't spread the floor for BS. Lol great it's all on BS and his system now. BS is the rebounding ptoblem? Maybe you need a new coach if he won't tweak his system for his actual roster.

[manl_lui]

this is my honest opinion in why trade didn't go down for the Celtics

1. I think Danny realizes that we won't win this year or the next. So he doesn't want to make small improvements to a team that won't get anywhere and even so with a rental of a star that won't commit to us (George), and the asking for both Butler and George seems to be overpay from what I am reading, something like gutting 3/4 of our core rotational players and a BKN pick

2. As for rebounding I think Ainge might be confident in Zizic or Yabu providing help next year, and i think the Celtics are confident in their potential

3. Ainge really likes this year's draft and next I think, Ainge doesn't really put much smoke screens in his drafts, he either likes it or not...like the 2014 draft with Smart...I know Ainge called that draft overrated but this is the draft that Ainge really likes

I honestly see Ainge sticking with this current rebuild plan, he likes what he sees from our guys, the culture that we created, the improvements we made year to year. I think we'll be fine

[mainevent]

People are gonna complain regardless. It is what it is. This is our team, like it or not. We are extremely competitive and will hopefully only get better!

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Ainge's explanation doesn't make sense. He talks about Boston's desire to "spread the floor" with its bigs, but that's on offense; Boston's biggest rebounding problem is defensive rebounding—that is, giving up too many offensive rebounds to opponents. Boston needs to be able to limit opponents to one shot per possession, which means that relying on KO and Al is a disaster.

It's not football -- you can't swap offensive and defensive players every possession.   If you want Andrew Bogut out there getting defensive rebounds, it means that he's out there not spreading the floor on offense.  Ideally the Celtics would have a power forward who can hit threes, pass, and set good screens on offense while also being capable of getting rebounds on defense.  But they aren't getting Draymond Green, and I guess they couldn't quite get JaMychal Green.  Hopefully in a couple of years that's what Yabusele turns into.  That's what they hoped Jordan Mickey would become, but it hasn't worked out.

A false dichotomy is being perpetuated—namely, that you can only have offensively skilled bigs who are bad rebounders, OR good rebounding bigs who can't spread the floor.

The truth is that a player can be both, and that such players exist, and (I'm admittedly guessing with this part) there's got to be some out there who don't cost a king's ransom.

[Evantime34]

The explanation makes sense to me. Who they are as a team right now, is dependent on spreading the floor and shoot a lot of 3's. Playing a rebounder might help a deficiency but killing spacing by bringing in a paint bound rebounder changes who the Celtics are as a team.

I know it is bothersome watching the team get killed on the glass, but we don't want to fix that problem at the expense of what has lead us to a great record so far.

That being said, I'm sure we are going to try and sign Bogut once he is bought out, and if that doesn't work I expect us to bring back Sully. I'd give Sully the minutes that Zeller had, essentially only coming in when a center with traditional size is giving us a problem on the glass.

[saltlover]

Love that he says a rebounding specialist wouldn't get any play if he can't spread the floor for BS. Lol great it's all on BS and his system now. BS is the rebounding ptoblem? Maybe you need a new coach if he won't tweak his system for his actual roster.

Yeah, I mean that system isn't producing the 6th-best offense in the NBA and the fifth-best shooting team (including free-throws), and not to mention the fifth-best record.  Clearly they should get a new system.

I'm sorry you get annoyed when the other team gets a few too many second-chances.  But this system has helped improve the offense from being the 13th-best like last year to #6, and we were the 21st-best at shooting.  Most of the players are the same.  Some are playing better than last year, but the offense scheme is a major part of it.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Love that he says a rebounding specialist wouldn't get any play if he can't spread the floor for BS. Lol great it's all on BS and his system now. BS is the rebounding ptoblem? Maybe you need a new coach if he won't tweak his system for his actual roster.

Right. Like Ainge—who is Brad's boss—can't do anything about the system Brad runs.

So basically Danny's saying two things: 1) As long as he's GM and Brad is coach, the Celtics will never have a really good rebounder; and 2) it's possible for the Celtics to win a title despite not having anyone average more than half a dozen rebounds a game.

[Csfan1984]

Love that he says a rebounding specialist wouldn't get any play if he can't spread the floor for BS. Lol great it's all on BS and his system now. BS is the rebounding ptoblem? Maybe you need a new coach if he won't tweak his system for his actual roster.

Yeah, I mean that system isn't producing the 6th-best offense in the NBA and the fifth-best shooting team (including free-throws), and not to mention the fifth-best record.  Clearly they should get a new system.

I'm sorry you get annoyed when the other team gets a few too many second-chances.  But this system has helped improve the offense from being the 13th-best like last year to #6, and we were the 21st-best at shooting.  Most of the players are the same.  Some are playing better than last year, but the offense scheme is a major part of it.

Let me know when that system proves itself in the playoffs