Do Celtics even sniff #18 in the next 5/6 years?

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You do realize that we could make the ECF this year, with a raw Jaylen Brown, potentially the #1 pick in the draft (that we still could flip for a vet star), cap room, and another potential high pick in the 2018 draft.

I don't understand why everyone is so upset. We still might get that vet star this summer or we might learn why it would have been a huge mistake to trade the pick.

I understand why they're upset. It's because they're immature kids who think that immediate gratification is the only type. They're thinking of only one season whereas Danny (and others of us) are thinking of many.

In 2007 Danny embarked on a high-risk, short-term, win-now strategy and it worked. It actually worked longer than he thought it would. It was brilliant and the Celtics won a championship (and should have won 2 if the refs didn't give game 7 to the Lakers). Now some people think that's the only way to win. They don't understand that this is a different game. The pieces aren't the same and so the game doesn't get played the same way. But they don't understand that. They think one winning formula is the ONLY winning formula.

As I posted on another thread, this sounds suspiciously like draft night. How much whining and moaning was there then? Now most of CB - all but the moaners who enjoy losing and who aren't respected - is excited about Brown, Zizic and (to a lesser extent) Yabu. Yet on draft night you could scarcely find a defender of those picks. Here we are again.

Danny's smart enough to know that a "win now" scenario is exceptionally high risk. There are already two historically dominant teams in Cleveland and Golden State. We could throw all the picks away to challenge them and still never make it out of the ECF. Or we can smartly play the waiting game knowing that we've got the cards to stay in the game a long time. It's the right thing to do right now and that's why a deal hasn't gotten done.

great post, tp for you.

[mr. dee]

You do realize that we could make the ECF this year, with a raw Jaylen Brown, potentially the #1 pick in the draft (that we still could flip for a vet star), cap room, and another potential high pick in the 2018 draft.

I don't understand why everyone is so upset. We still might get that vet star this summer or we might learn why it would have been a huge mistake to trade the pick.

I understand why they're upset. It's because they're immature kids who think that immediate gratification is the only type. They're thinking of only one season whereas Danny (and others of us) are thinking of many.

In 2007 Danny embarked on a high-risk, short-term, win-now strategy and it worked. It actually worked longer than he thought it would. It was brilliant and the Celtics won a championship (and should have won 2 if the refs didn't give game 7 to the Lakers). Now some people think that's the only way to win. They don't understand that this is a different game. The pieces aren't the same and so the game doesn't get played the same way. But they don't understand that. They think one winning formula is the ONLY winning formula.

As I posted on another thread, this sounds suspiciously like draft night. How much whining and moaning was there then? Now most of CB - all but the moaners who enjoy losing and who aren't respected - is excited about Brown, Zizic and (to a lesser extent) Yabu. Yet on draft night you could scarcely find a defender of those picks. Here we are again.

Danny's smart enough to know that a "win now" scenario is exceptionally high risk. There are already two historically dominant teams in Cleveland and Golden State. We could throw all the picks away to challenge them and still never make it out of the ECF. Or we can smartly play the waiting game knowing that we've got the cards to stay in the game a long time. It's the right thing to do right now and that's why a deal hasn't gotten done.

I was one of the pick's apologists when the pick was mocked by 70% of the fan base. While my initial binkie was Buddy Hield, I can see why Danny like Jaylen Brown. I watched  the scouting reports and highlights and was convinced that he is a different animal than both of Winslow or Stanley Johnson. And the workout was the final straw that made me ride the Jaylen bandwagon.

[Ilikesports17]

You do realize that we could make the ECF this year, with a raw Jaylen Brown, potentially the #1 pick in the draft (that we still could flip for a vet star), cap room, and another potential high pick in the 2018 draft.

I don't understand why everyone is so upset. We still might get that vet star this summer or we might learn why it would have been a huge mistake to trade the pick.

I understand why they're upset. It's because they're immature kids who think that immediate gratification is the only type. They're thinking of only one season whereas Danny (and others of us) are thinking of many.

In 2007 Danny embarked on a high-risk, short-term, win-now strategy and it worked. It actually worked longer than he thought it would. It was brilliant and the Celtics won a championship (and should have won 2 if the refs didn't give game 7 to the Lakers). Now some people think that's the only way to win. They don't understand that this is a different game. The pieces aren't the same and so the game doesn't get played the same way. But they don't understand that. They think one winning formula is the ONLY winning formula.

As I posted on another thread, this sounds suspiciously like draft night. How much whining and moaning was there then? Now most of CB - all but the moaners who enjoy losing and who aren't respected - is excited about Brown, Zizic and (to a lesser extent) Yabu. Yet on draft night you could scarcely find a defender of those picks. Here we are again.

Danny's smart enough to know that a "win now" scenario is exceptionally high risk. There are already two historically dominant teams in Cleveland and Golden State. We could throw all the picks away to challenge them and still never make it out of the ECF. Or we can smartly play the waiting game knowing that we've got the cards to stay in the game a long time. It's the right thing to do right now and that's why a deal hasn't gotten done.

I think thats a bit harsh.

We simply dont know what was offered and what the prices were of guys like Butler and George were, but there is absolutely solid logic behind the idea of trading the picks to improve today.

You have a 50 win team that could easily grab the 1 seed with a big addition and if the addition is Butler or George that squad remains in its prime for 3+ more years as legit contenders.

3+ years with

[KG Living Legend]

 Ummm. Yes. That's been my plan for a while, hence why I'm on board for team no move.

 It's always been be ready for Lebron's fall off and hope the Warriors break apart in the next three years.

 From 2020 to 2025 we are poised for multiple title runs. Dead serious.

[Granath]

You do realize that we could make the ECF this year, with a raw Jaylen Brown, potentially the #1 pick in the draft (that we still could flip for a vet star), cap room, and another potential high pick in the 2018 draft.

I don't understand why everyone is so upset. We still might get that vet star this summer or we might learn why it would have been a huge mistake to trade the pick.

I understand why they're upset. It's because they're immature kids who think that immediate gratification is the only type. They're thinking of only one season whereas Danny (and others of us) are thinking of many.

In 2007 Danny embarked on a high-risk, short-term, win-now strategy and it worked. It actually worked longer than he thought it would. It was brilliant and the Celtics won a championship (and should have won 2 if the refs didn't give game 7 to the Lakers). Now some people think that's the only way to win. They don't understand that this is a different game. The pieces aren't the same and so the game doesn't get played the same way. But they don't understand that. They think one winning formula is the ONLY winning formula.

As I posted on another thread, this sounds suspiciously like draft night. How much whining and moaning was there then? Now most of CB - all but the moaners who enjoy losing and who aren't respected - is excited about Brown, Zizic and (to a lesser extent) Yabu. Yet on draft night you could scarcely find a defender of those picks. Here we are again.

Danny's smart enough to know that a "win now" scenario is exceptionally high risk. There are already two historically dominant teams in Cleveland and Golden State. We could throw all the picks away to challenge them and still never make it out of the ECF. Or we can smartly play the waiting game knowing that we've got the cards to stay in the game a long time. It's the right thing to do right now and that's why a deal hasn't gotten done.

I think thats a bit harsh.

We simply dont know what was offered and what the prices were of guys like Butler and George were, but there is absolutely solid logic behind the idea of trading the picks to improve today.

You have a 50 win team that could easily grab the 1 seed with a big addition and if the addition is Butler or George that squad remains in its prime for 3+ more years as legit contenders.

3+ years with

No, I really don't think it is. Most of the naysayers here sound like they're about 12 years old in their maturity levels. There's not much else you can take away from posts like "F*** Danny" and "Ainge sucks" and folks giving out TPs for such wonderfully intelligent statements. That's what has been on this board today. I'm no longer giving people who seem to continually act like reactionary children the benefit of the doubt.

Here's the facts - even with Butler or George we wouldn't be favored over Cleveland or GS if those teams are healthy. Going all in now creates a 3 year window of opportunity with the best chance being this year or next which may also be the peak opportunities for both GS and Cleveland. That's a three way race that we're better off not running.

[PhoSita]

I think they'll make the ECF at least once in the next five years and be in the mix to get there almost every year.

[Chief Macho]

Nope

[vgulab]

And by sniff, I mean get to the championship series and make it close (win it or lose in 6/7 games)!
Judging by the current state of the team I give it a definite no way!  Too many current teams (Cavs,Warriors, Spurs, Clippers) way better than us, and at least a couple more teams up and coming big time for the future (Pelicans, Sixers) and in better position than us!  Too many teams with 2/3 legitimate superstars, compared to our IT(arguably superstar) and Al Horford(our second best player, but by no means a superstar)!
Granted so many things can change in 5/6 years, but I'm not optimistic about the path we're headed on, and Danny did absolutely nothing to dispel that this week!  OVERVALUED ASSETS!

Clippers much better than us, really? Clippers might  not even be better than us

Sixers in better position? How? We have more picks, more assets, more stars....

Overvalued assets? Well those overvalued players are second on the east and our pick will get us Fultz/Ball who should be future stars because this draft is loaded.

And last, DA didn't do nothing? Well there is a reason. To put this simply, Paul George wouldn't get us title, he is at most top 20 player in the league, i will even say if we got George he wouldn't even be the best player on the roster...

[ayer]

Cleveland Ohio

[Ilikesports17]

You do realize that we could make the ECF this year, with a raw Jaylen Brown, potentially the #1 pick in the draft (that we still could flip for a vet star), cap room, and another potential high pick in the 2018 draft.

I don't understand why everyone is so upset. We still might get that vet star this summer or we might learn why it would have been a huge mistake to trade the pick.

I understand why they're upset. It's because they're immature kids who think that immediate gratification is the only type. They're thinking of only one season whereas Danny (and others of us) are thinking of many.

In 2007 Danny embarked on a high-risk, short-term, win-now strategy and it worked. It actually worked longer than he thought it would. It was brilliant and the Celtics won a championship (and should have won 2 if the refs didn't give game 7 to the Lakers). Now some people think that's the only way to win. They don't understand that this is a different game. The pieces aren't the same and so the game doesn't get played the same way. But they don't understand that. They think one winning formula is the ONLY winning formula.

As I posted on another thread, this sounds suspiciously like draft night. How much whining and moaning was there then? Now most of CB - all but the moaners who enjoy losing and who aren't respected - is excited about Brown, Zizic and (to a lesser extent) Yabu. Yet on draft night you could scarcely find a defender of those picks. Here we are again.

Danny's smart enough to know that a "win now" scenario is exceptionally high risk. There are already two historically dominant teams in Cleveland and Golden State. We could throw all the picks away to challenge them and still never make it out of the ECF. Or we can smartly play the waiting game knowing that we've got the cards to stay in the game a long time. It's the right thing to do right now and that's why a deal hasn't gotten done.

I think thats a bit harsh.

We simply dont know what was offered and what the prices were of guys like Butler and George were, but there is absolutely solid logic behind the idea of trading the picks to improve today.

You have a 50 win team that could easily grab the 1 seed with a big addition and if the addition is Butler or George that squad remains in its prime for 3+ more years as legit contenders.

3+ years with

No, I really don't think it is. Most of the naysayers here sound like they're about 12 years old in their maturity levels. There's not much else you can take away from posts like "F*** Danny" and "Ainge sucks" and folks giving out TPs for such wonderfully intelligent statements. That's what has been on this board today. I'm no longer giving people who seem to continually act like reactionary children the benefit of the doubt.

Here's the facts - even with Butler or George we wouldn't be favored over Cleveland or GS if those teams are healthy. Going all in now creates a 3 year window of opportunity with the best chance being this year or next which may also be the peak opportunities for both GS and Cleveland. That's a three way race that we're better off not running.

responded to this at length but timed out.

short version:

chances to make the finals are rare. Today's inaction can easily be interpretted as passing one up. I understand frustration in doing so.

I trust Ainge and believe that the reason we didnt make a deal was because they would have been bad from a VALUE perspective, not a TIME perspective.

Waiting for the good teams to be bad is unwise. Someone steps up. Who saw the Warriors coming?

I do agree that the AINGE SUX threads that weve been seeing every deadline, offseason, and draft night for the past 2 years have gotten really tiring.

[BitterJim]

You do realize that we could make the ECF this year, with a raw Jaylen Brown, potentially the #1 pick in the draft (that we still could flip for a vet star), cap room, and another potential high pick in the 2018 draft.

I don't understand why everyone is so upset. We still might get that vet star this summer or we might learn why it would have been a huge mistake to trade the pick.

I understand why they're upset. It's because they're immature kids who think that immediate gratification is the only type. They're thinking of only one season whereas Danny (and others of us) are thinking of many.

In 2007 Danny embarked on a high-risk, short-term, win-now strategy and it worked. It actually worked longer than he thought it would. It was brilliant and the Celtics won a championship (and should have won 2 if the refs didn't give game 7 to the Lakers). Now some people think that's the only way to win. They don't understand that this is a different game. The pieces aren't the same and so the game doesn't get played the same way. But they don't understand that. They think one winning formula is the ONLY winning formula.

As I posted on another thread, this sounds suspiciously like draft night. How much whining and moaning was there then? Now most of CB - all but the moaners who enjoy losing and who aren't respected - is excited about Brown, Zizic and (to a lesser extent) Yabu. Yet on draft night you could scarcely find a defender of those picks. Here we are again.

Danny's smart enough to know that a "win now" scenario is exceptionally high risk. There are already two historically dominant teams in Cleveland and Golden State. We could throw all the picks away to challenge them and still never make it out of the ECF. Or we can smartly play the waiting game knowing that we've got the cards to stay in the game a long time. It's the right thing to do right now and that's why a deal hasn't gotten done.

I think thats a bit harsh.

We simply dont know what was offered and what the prices were of guys like Butler and George were, but there is absolutely solid logic behind the idea of trading the picks to improve today.

You have a 50 win team that could easily grab the 1 seed with a big addition and if the addition is Butler or George that squad remains in its prime for 3+ more years as legit contenders.

3+ years with

No, I really don't think it is. Most of the naysayers here sound like they're about 12 years old in their maturity levels. There's not much else you can take away from posts like "F*** Danny" and "Ainge sucks" and folks giving out TPs for such wonderfully intelligent statements. That's what has been on this board today. I'm no longer giving people who seem to continually act like reactionary children the benefit of the doubt.

Here's the facts - even with Butler or George we wouldn't be favored over Cleveland or GS if those teams are healthy. Going all in now creates a 3 year window of opportunity with the best chance being this year or next which may also be the peak opportunities for both GS and Cleveland. That's a three way race that we're better off not running.

There's been two major groups of naysayers, and that description only really fits one of the groups.  The first group is people that disagree with the moves but understand why Danny didn't make them.  They aren't necessarily happy about it, but you don't see them calling for Danny's head.  The other group doesn't even make an effort to understand the reasoning and either says stuff like "no excuses" (they're not excuses, they're reasons. You're only calling them excuses because you disagree with them) or just lumps everyone with a differing opinion from them into a group that they just give ridiculous opinions to, and assume that you reached your opinion (or the opinion they assigned you) through sheer stupidity.

The former does not fit your description.

[Bobshot]

Not until they get what Ainge calls "his biggest need" --a rebounder/rim protector.

Despite that statement, Ainge made no effort to improve the rebounding in trade discussions.

He also made no effort last year, when they had the same need. Nor has he made any effort to get a big in the draft. At least anyone who could have helped this year.

All the mediatalk was about George/Butler, and that's where Ainge's efforts seem to be focused.  But it's clear neither player was going to be moved. What Bird wanted from the Celtics was an insult.

Very little criticism in the media about his failure to get a rebounder. This may cost them the East title, and gives them almost no chance to beat the Cavs.

The Noel/Bogut situation was especially notable. It almost looked like Philly was avoiding Ainge.
Maybe Dallas was too. If Ainge wanted Bogut, he sure got finessed. With a buyout, he'll wind up with the Cavs or Warriors. Noel was traded out of the East for 50 cents on the dollar.

[cltc5]

Nope

[colincb]

And by sniff, I mean get to the championship series and make it close (win it or lose in 6/7 games)!
Judging by the current state of the team I give it a definite no way!  Too many current teams (Cavs,Warriors, Spurs, Clippers) way better than us, and at least a couple more teams up and coming big time for the future (Pelicans, Sixers) and in better position than us!  Too many teams with 2/3 legitimate superstars, compared to our IT(arguably superstar) and Al Horford(our second best player, but by no means a superstar)!
Granted so many things can change in 5/6 years, but I'm not optimistic about the path we're headed on, and Danny did absolutely nothing to dispel that this week!  OVERVALUED ASSETS!

You had me until "Sixers".

TP. More Hinkiephile BS.

[manl_lui]

depends on what happens, with this current team, i say if we are lucky 6+ years would be lucky, at that point, this current team would have played together for about 9 years together, chemistry for one thing might be very good.