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Is IT trying to pad his 4th quarter stats?
« on: February 17, 2017, 07:41:49 AM »

Offline jbpats

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First and foremost let me preface this by saying I know IT is great and the numbers he is putting up this season are nothing short of amazing.
BUT
Last night I kind of felt like IT cared more about his individual fourth quarter numbers then actually helping the team win. Granted the Celtics SHOULD have won that game, the foul on Smart at the end was completely and utterly absurd. With that being said it shouldn't have been that close to begin with.
Yes we can point to poor rebounding, that was clearly an issue, however what stuck out to me the most was IT's poor shot selection. Yes, he hit some key shots but not enough to compensate for those terrible 3's he was forcing or the drives to the basket with three Bulls players waiting for him in the paint. KO arguably had the hottest hand last night, we have others that can score, not sure why IT felt the need to take so many circus shots and potentially cost us the game. Not sure if he was just having an off night, or if he wanted to show off on the national stage, or if it is true he cares about his individual stats a little too much.. either way I don't want the IT 4th quarter show to come at the expense of Celtics wins.
And on a separate topic, those who say IT's defensive inefficiencies in the 4th are not a big deal, typically those who say Drummond for example is a liability in the final frame because of his foul shooting.. Three careless fouls in the last few minutes because he couldnt keep up defensively resulted in 6 quick points.. A guy like Drummed would have gobbled up 80% of those offensive rebounds the Bulls were able to get.. Alas not trying to shift topics, but something to think about nonetheless.
 
I know I am going to get berated for this thread so let me have it  :P

Re: Is IT trying to pad his 4th quarter stats?
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2017, 07:49:23 AM »

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i thought so

Re: Is IT trying to pad his 4th quarter stats?
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2017, 07:52:53 AM »

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I don't think you are necessarily wrong but I do think that players learn to win. If IT does cost us wins from chasing stats then he'll either learn from it and get better or he'll get cashed in. Time is the only thing that will tell, I don't think it's a worry right now though, let's see how we develop this season going into next

Re: Is IT trying to pad his 4th quarter stats?
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2017, 07:57:02 AM »

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I don't think it's padding but he is in an I score first AI/Kobe mind set in the 4th. It's rough to see it when C's lose but when they win it feels like an epic performance. Guess this is how those Laker and 76er fans felt watching their chuckers.

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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2017, 07:59:51 AM »

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Yes, Brad too.   That's why he plays nearly the whole 4th.  League wide, starters generally sit out the first couple minutes of the quarter.  I think the C's have intentionally fostered this King of the Fourth thing, to help their best player gain confidence & improve. 

Re: Is IT trying to pad his 4th quarter stats?
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2017, 08:01:25 AM »

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Yes, Brad too.   That's why he plays nearly the whole 4th.  League wide, starters generally sit out the first couple minutes of the quarter.  I think the C's have intentionally fostered this King of the Fourth thing, to help their best player gain confidence & improve.

I could be wrong but I believe IT usually sits the first 4-5 minutes to start the fourth. Is that not the case?

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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2017, 08:06:22 AM »

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If you analyse IT game, you'll realize that he's trying to get everybody involve during 3 quarters. Once the 4th quarter he's doing new stuffs that the defense hasn't seen during the game. That's why he's so efficient, or that's why it makes other players wide open at the 3 pts line.
That's a pretty good strategy to me. Everybody is [dang] confident once 4th quarter start.
It will serve for the playoffs.

Re: Is IT trying to pad his 4th quarter stats?
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2017, 08:09:49 AM »

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If you analyse IT game, you'll realize that he's trying to get everybody involve during 3 quarters. Once the 4th quarter he's doing new stuffs that the defense hasn't seen during the game. That's why he's so efficient, or that's why it makes other players wide open at the 3 pts line.
That's a pretty good strategy to me. Everybody is [dang] confident once 4th quarter start.
It will serve for the playoffs.

Not sure I agree here, all teams need to do is watch any game tape of the last 30 games to know that IT is going to chuck it up in the 4th. It would be pretty poor coaching on the opposite end if you don't know the "king of the 4th" show is coming.

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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2017, 08:16:20 AM »

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Yes, Brad too.   That's why he plays nearly the whole 4th.  League wide, starters generally sit out the first couple minutes of the quarter.  I think the C's have intentionally fostered this King of the Fourth thing, to help their best player gain confidence & improve.

I could be wrong but I believe IT usually sits the first 4-5 minutes to start the fourth. Is that not the case?

I think he plays the first 4 or so minutes, gets a 2 minute rest and then comes back in to finish

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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2017, 08:26:52 AM »

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I don't think it's padding but he is in an I score first AI/Kobe mind set in the 4th. It's rough to see it when C's lose but when they win it feels like an epic performance. Guess this is how those Laker and 76er fans felt watching their chuckers.
Exactly.  He thinks he's the one to win the game in the 4th, and many times he is.  He has won many more than he's lost this season.  It's awesome to watch when he creates and takes good shots for himself.  It can get a little ugly when he is determined to shoot but can't create an open look.  Just like you said, it's just like Kobe and AI.

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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2017, 08:27:31 AM »

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Last night I credit for the loss fifty per cent Isaiah and fifty per cent the refs. You can't take so many bad shots and force plays this way. And I don't think Stevens is very happy with this trend of a one-man-system.

You can enter through three players once or twice, but not everytime. Very disappointed, I hope he learns for the playoffs.
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Im starting to believe that Celtics fans are the worst fans.

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« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2017, 09:00:42 AM »

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I love how IT has elevated his game to essentially superstar level, but I hate the King of the 4th stuff. Recently he has garnered a lot more attention with appearances on national shows and such; I don't necessarily think it has gotten to his head, but it is very difficult to maintain a totally unselfish desire to win at all times when the world is expecting IT time in the 4th.

As others have said, all we can do as a team is learn an move on. I would be a lot happier if we had a bunny against the Nets tonight going into the break, but it could be good for the players to sit on this one for a while.

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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2017, 09:06:40 AM »

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Im starting to believe that Celtics fans are the worst fans.

Why? Would you prefer if you came onto a Celtics forum without having thought out critique of this team?
Just want to read sunshine and rainbow posts and how great everything is night in and night out?

Sometimes it blows my mind how people on this forum can't stomach a little criticism. We all love the Celtics thats why we're here, but clearly not all of us wear rose colored glasses 24/7 while watching them and want to discuss ways they can improve any shortcomings that cost us wins.
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Yeah he was definitely forcing the issue. It was a big 'ego' game.

- Nationally televized on TNT
-playing against Rondo old Celtics legend PG who he replaced
-last game before All Star Break

He didn't have a great game and thus forced it even more in the 4th unfortunately.
This is not the IT I want to see. I'll give him this one because of the ego factor but that doesn't win games or get through playoff series.

He can learn from this though. But yes, I thought the same thing. He missed quite a few open shooters before turning the ball over in the 4th on multiple occasions and it peeved me immensely.
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