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Would you trade a Top 4 pick for D'Angelo Russell?
« on: February 03, 2017, 08:50:51 AM »

Offline perks-a-beast

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Let's say the lakers get one of the top two picks and fall in love with either Fultz, Ball, or Smith. Would that make them open to trading Russell, In favor of designing a more balanced team? The Lakers have Julius Randle, but getting consistent play from their frontcourt has been a major Achilles heel for them. They need a big who can get buckets. There have been issues with Russell's character being questioned by his team mates and management. I do not know if this is ongoing, but I would definitely take a gamble on a player of Russell's caliber.

Let's say we get the 4th overall pick (Mentally preparing for worst case scenario) and the Lakers get a top 3 pick and take Fultz, Ball, or Smith. Do they then give up Russell for say Isaac, Tatum, Jackson, Monk, Markenaan, ect?

Is this a fair deal...

Lakers get: Terry Rozier, 4th overall pick, 36th pick
Celtics get: D'Angelo Russell, 32nd pick


That would leave one of our guards out of the rotation. My feeling is that it would be smart. Then might be a good time for the much awaited Okafor for Smart trade, which makes sense considering Phillys need for a starting caliber guard.

Thomas / Jackson / Morris (32nd pick)
Bradley / Russell / Young
Brown / Crowder / Nader
Okafor / Olynyk / Yabusele
Horford / Zizic /


Would be a great lineup moving forward. You acquire two young guys who have the potential of becoming stars while still paying them on the cheap and staying financially flexible.

Brown / Russell / Okafor has the potential to be a lethal big three IMO.

Let's do these trades before Philly and the Lakers realize it makes way too much sense to trade Russell for okafor straight up.
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Re: Would you trade a Top 4 pick for D'Angelo Russell?
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2017, 09:03:46 AM »

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Nope -- there is at least half a dozen guys I like better in this draft than D.Russell.
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Re: Would you trade a Top 4 pick for D'Angelo Russell?
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2017, 09:09:03 AM »

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I wouldn't touch D'Angelo Russell.
He looks like he will be a 12-15th best PG in his prime.
That is if all goes well for him.

Pros
-naturally gifted shooter
-good PG size
-good vision

Cons
- can't drive to the rim consistently
- weak and underutilized off hand
- seems out of shape at times
- doesn't defend
- throws passes that aren't there
- so far he is a poor locker room presence

If he doesn't shoot like crazy, once he becomes a bit more mature, I just don't see the way he is going to be efficient. He won't get to the paint or the line. He won't break down the defenses to open up the game for his teammates. His athleticism leaves a lot to be desired and it doesn't look like that part will help his already miserable defense.

Also keep in mind that we don't do Lakers any favors or even small chances for those. So, trade? No thanks.

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Re: Would you trade a Top 4 pick for D'Angelo Russell?
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2017, 09:15:33 AM »

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I really think Russel does not have a Celtics mentality. He seems like a hard to coach kid, and a bit selfish.

He has big potential but I'm not sure he will reach his mas level at some point.

There's much better options
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2017, 09:17:35 AM »

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Not interested in Russell.  My judgment is 'clouded' by the off-court antics with Nick Young.  Very immature.
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2017, 09:19:15 AM »

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I wouldn't do that trade. We can get a better player at 4 and use Rozier in games (he can progress given enough time as a second unit PG) or as a trade bait.

You may like to attach a poll to the opening post to test the user's opinions in general.
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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2017, 09:20:49 AM »

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Quote from: Androslav on February 03, 2017, 09:09:03 AM
I wouldn't touch D'Angelo Russell.
He looks like he will be a 12-15th best PG in his prime.
That is if all goes well for him.

Pros
-naturally gifted shooter
-good PG size
-good vision

Cons
- can't drive to the rim consistently
- weak and underutilized off hand
- seems out of shape at times
- doesn't defend
- throws passes that aren't there
- so far he is a poor locker room presence

If he doesn't shoot like crazy, once he becomes a bit more mature, I just don't see the way he is going to be efficient. He won't get to the paint or the line. He won't break down the defenses to open up the game for his teammates. His athleticism leaves a lot to be desired and it doesn't look like that part will help his already miserable defense.

Also keep in mind that we don't do Lakers any favors or even small chances for those. So, trade? No thanks.

I don't think he is a PG. I think LA needs to move him to the SG spot. His quickness relative to his position (both on offense and defense) is less of an issue there. LA can bring on someone who can drive better and get defenses off balance. Russell can still make the most of his lethal outside shooting.

I think his upside his better as at the two. Rather than at PG for the reasons Androslav outlined above.
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2017, 09:23:49 AM »

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Quote from: BE-Celtic on February 03, 2017, 09:15:33 AM
I really think Russel does not have a Celtics mentality. He seems like a hard to coach kid, and a bit selfish.

He has big potential but I'm not sure he will reach his mas level at some point.

There are much better options
I really don't see that big potential. I explained why a few comments upper.
What is he supposed to become? What player type?
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Re: Would you trade a Top 4 pick for D'Angelo Russell?
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2017, 10:03:33 AM »

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Quote from: Androslav on February 03, 2017, 09:23:49 AM
Quote from: BE-Celtic on February 03, 2017, 09:15:33 AM
I really think Russel does not have a Celtics mentality. He seems like a hard to coach kid, and a bit selfish.

He has big potential but I'm not sure he will reach his mas level at some point.

There are much better options
I really don't see that big potential. I explained why a few comments upper.
What is he supposed to become? What player type?

more or less my opinion are the same as some of the posters above, I wouldn't trade anything for Russell but for someone of his talent i do see good potential for him.

I see him eventually being somewhat of a Kobe-lite, and that is not a stab on Kobe but more of a stab on Russell

1. I think he will be a good scorer, but he will not have that "killer" winners mentality.
2. I think he'll be a selfish player who cares more about his stats than winning
3. Immature, like ot hers pointed out the Nick Young incident still has me question his mentality, or how he communicates with his teammates in the long term.

so more or less a very good player on a very bad team, or an average player on a good team who can't work well with others or follow orders.
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2017, 10:15:25 AM »

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Russell looks like he will be solid. But I'd expect more out of a top 4 pick in this draft. I could end up being wrong, but that's how I see it right now.
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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2017, 10:27:32 AM »

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Russell averaged 19.3 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.0 apg, 1.6 spg shooting over 41% from three in 34 mpg at Ohio State.  I think people need to keep that in perspective when they start talking about these young players. 
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Re: Would you trade a Top 4 pick for D'Angelo Russell?
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2017, 10:43:53 AM »

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No.
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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2017, 10:47:56 AM »

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Quote from: Moranis on February 03, 2017, 10:27:32 AM
Russell averaged 19.3 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.0 apg, 1.6 spg shooting over 41% from three in 34 mpg at Ohio State.  I think people need to keep that in perspective when they start talking about these young players. 
I take in account the more recent sample size and the one with good competition level.
He can print his stats and nail them to the wall, but it won't change his current competition nor make him fast Moranis.
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2017, 10:49:56 AM »

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I like D'Angelo a lot, I think I'd rather have him than anyone in this draft besides Fultz or Jackson. So if none of those guys are available consider it.

Although, I think it would make more sense to target a young big if we are dealing our pick since that is a bigger area of need.
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Re: Would you trade a Top 4 pick for D'Angelo Russell?
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2017, 10:51:54 AM »

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Quote from: Who on February 03, 2017, 09:20:49 AM
Quote from: Androslav on February 03, 2017, 09:09:03 AM
I wouldn't touch D'Angelo Russell.
He looks like he will be a 12-15th best PG in his prime.
That is if all goes well for him.

Pros
-naturally gifted shooter
-good PG size
-good vision

Cons
- can't drive to the rim consistently
- weak and underutilized off hand
- seems out of shape at times
- doesn't defend
- throws passes that aren't there
- so far he is a poor locker room presence

If he doesn't shoot like crazy, once he becomes a bit more mature, I just don't see the way he is going to be efficient. He won't get to the paint or the line. He won't break down the defenses to open up the game for his teammates. His athleticism leaves a lot to be desired and it doesn't look like that part will help his already miserable defense.

Also keep in mind that we don't do Lakers any favors or even small chances for those. So, trade? No thanks.

I don't think he is a PG. I think LA needs to move him to the SG spot. His quickness relative to his position (both on offense and defense) is less of an issue there. LA can bring on someone who can drive better and get defenses off balance. Russell can still make the most of his lethal outside shooting.

I think his upside his better as at the two. Rather than at PG for the reasons Androslav outlined above.
I agree, but that defense will never be able to switch.
I may be hard on him, but it is a tall task to meet the expectations from such franchise and from pressure that 2. overall pick brings.
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