Trade idea/Poll, AB as center piece for Melo.

[saltlover]

New option needed: 1,000 times no.

So you are just no on Melo or the idea of AB for Melo? Look at it this way its a former top 5 player in the league who is still top 20 for AB, cap space, and picks. AB is a good starter but never has he been in the class of Melo even right now.

I think chemistry is a very underrated component of a team.  Melo has a questionable ability to fit on any given team.  Not saying he's locker room poison, but there's little evidence he's the glue.  I have a big problem with trading out three rotation players for him -- I think that upsets the lineup too much.

Add in the ~$20 million of lost cap space this summer and draft picks, it's a no-brainer (to reject) to me.

[playdream]

If we get melo we won't be able to sign another star to the max next year, so big NO

[nostar]

I think chemistry is a very underrated component of a team.  Melo has a questionable ability to fit on any given team.  Not saying he's locker room poison, but there's little evidence he's the glue.  I have a big problem with trading out three rotation players for him -- I think that upsets the lineup too much.

Add in the ~$20 million of lost cap space this summer and draft picks, it's a no-brainer (to reject) to me.

The draft picks sink it for me. I'd do AB+Zeller+AJ and try to win small. I wouldn't trade AB (who I think is extremely valuable in today's NBA) along with 3 fairly useful draft picks for an aging superstar with 1.5 years left on his deal.

Saltlover hit the nail on the head though. My reluctance to move multiple assets for Melo is mostly due to the likelihood of him declining in effectiveness sooner rather than later, and his reputation (deserved or not) for diva behavior. I'm fine with the cap space as I think it really only costs us one summer of FA because Melo will likely opt out his last year.

I'd risk AB+filler on being title opportunists for a couple of years. I wouldn't give draft compensation in addition.

I'd prefer we get Melo in a dump for AJ, Zeller, JJ and our 2018 pick. I think NYK will want a core guy to flip and that is where I either sub in AB for the 2018 pick or walk away.

Alternatively, I'd take on Reddick to facilitate Melo to LAC.

[A Future of Stevens]

I am just not convinced that as an overall player Melo at this stage is better than Bradley. For almost his entire career Melo has been not just bad, but awful on defense. Now Bradley is having a down year on that end, but he is in no way Melo. Melo would be a second player in our starting lineup we would have to hide on the defensive end.

This is before we even count the age in the equation.

And on top of all of that you want to give away picks with it too? NY is getting major help here in terms of cap relief which matters.

I would rather have AB instead of a 2 or 3 year run at the ECF finals.

You may lose AB to FA in two years any ways. And it's not the Nets pick or giving any of the top young guys. Cap relief isn't enough.

But this is still the art of deal making. If the only team that is even in this race with us can only offer 2 old sgs (aka cap space) and a late 1st a few years from now to go with a pg prospect who will never be more than a prospect. So we give away a borderline all star when they have literally no leverage? Doesn't make sense. It's like paying 245k for a house when you know the market is 200k. Doesn't matter that the list is 245, there is no reason to pay it all when you have the leverage.

Thing is the NYK don't have to deal him. And a guy like Jackson isn't going to take a low ball deal. Melo is still a top 20 player. He can still score and create his own shot. He gives the team a scorer to help IT. We have replacements for AB in the Smart/Brown combo. DA can't low ball every deal. At some point you pay slightly above market to fill a need.

The thing is, the knicks really want to move him. The fact that they are even entertaining the clippers speaks to that. And we aren't really sure what a guy like Jackson is going to do. He has very publicly began breaking up from Melo. And he is an awful GM on top of that. Its all wildcard baby.

But on other terms, you can make an argument that he doesn't fill a need the Celtics have. This has been a weird year for the team in a way that our primary needs are defense and rebounding. As an undersized 4, melo would only be a little better than amir at rebounding, and we would be awful at defense.

We would basically be trading AB to make ourselves a little better at our strengths, and to further drive our defense down the hole.

[Who]

I am just not convinced that as an overall player Melo at this stage is better than Bradley. For almost his entire career Melo has been not just bad, but awful on defense. Now Bradley is having a down year on that end, but he is in no way Melo. Melo would be a second player in our starting lineup we would have to hide on the defensive end.

This is before we even count the age in the equation.

And on top of all of that you want to give away picks with it too? NY is getting major help here in terms of cap relief which matters.

I would rather have AB instead of a 2 or 3 year run at the ECF finals.

Same here. I lean towards Bradley as the better player between the two.

[OldSchoolDude]

We've done the ageing star thing before and it didn't work (Shaq, Jermaine O'Neal, Rashid Wallace). If we had gone for cheaper up and coming players I think we may have won another title.  Danny has learned his lesson.  He's not going to weigh the team down with big cap hits for players that used to be good.   

[Ilikesports17]

We've done the ageing star thing before and it didn't work (Shaq, Jermaine O'Neal, Rashid Wallace). If we had gone for cheaper up and coming players I think we may have won another title.  Danny has learned his lesson.  He's not going to weigh the team down with big cap hits for players that used to be good.

like say a 24 year old recent top 5 pick stuck behind Kevin Durant named Jeff Green?

That said, Im down to take melo off NYK's hands. Nothing more. No AB, no Smart and most definitely no Jaylen Brown.

[mrceltics2013]

Sometimes reading this blog just makes me roll my eyes at our fans. Ive read the most outlandish things regarding Melo and I'm just stunned. Melo is a top forward in the league even at his current age and y'all are really saying no?? He scores inside and outside and gets a decent amount of boards and this is someone debatable?? Our 2 biggest needs and yay have the nerve to say keep smart and crowder??? IS BETTER THAN SMART AND CROWDER. I never understood why y'all praise Smart sooo much I personally do not like him at all. Someone said he is an "elite" playmaker and thats ridiculous ....

IF smarts elite then what is Rondo? Smart does not make the offense ANY better. Him being "off limits" is a delusional statement as Melo can bring scoring to the table which is what we need. IT is killing himself out there doing it all on his own, he needs the help and Smart is no where near the answer.

In conclusion trading for Melo and getting rid of some 2nds or non Brooklyn draft picks I am 100% down for.

[Ilikesports17]

Sometimes reading this blog just makes me roll my eyes at our fans. Ive read the most outlandish things regarding Melo and I'm just stunned. Melo is a top forward in the league even at his current age and y'all are really saying no?? He scores inside and outside and gets a decent amount of boards and this is someone debatable?? Our 2 biggest needs and yay have the nerve to say keep smart and crowder??? IS BETTER THAN SMART AND CROWDER. I never understood why y'all praise Smart sooo much I personally do not like him at all. Someone said he is an "elite" playmaker and thats ridiculous ....

IF smarts elite then what is Rondo? Smart does not make the offense ANY better. Him being "off limits" is a delusional statement as Melo can bring scoring to the table which is what we need. IT is killing himself out there doing it all on his own, he needs the help and Smart is no where near the answer.

In conclusion trading for Melo and getting rid of some 2nds or non Brooklyn draft picks I am 100% down for.

Crowder with his contract and age is more valuable today than Carmelo Anthony.

Also, not sure why you quoted "off limits" because that phrase had been used exactly 0 times in this thread.

[hodgy03038]

Sometimes reading this blog just makes me roll my eyes at our fans. Ive read the most outlandish things regarding Melo and I'm just stunned. Melo is a top forward in the league even at his current age and y'all are really saying no?? He scores inside and outside and gets a decent amount of boards and this is someone debatable?? Our 2 biggest needs and yay have the nerve to say keep smart and crowder??? IS BETTER THAN SMART AND CROWDER. I never understood why y'all praise Smart sooo much I personally do not like him at all. Someone said he is an "elite" playmaker and thats ridiculous ....

IF smarts elite then what is Rondo? Smart does not make the offense ANY better. Him being "off limits" is a delusional statement as Melo can bring scoring to the table which is what we need. IT is killing himself out there doing it all on his own, he needs the help and Smart is no where near the answer.

In conclusion trading for Melo and getting rid of some 2nds or non Brooklyn draft picks I am 100% down for.

Melo is NOT better than Smart & Crowder. Smart plays games to win regardless of what it takes - if it's diving on the floor for loose balls, blocking a center's shot, making a great pass or hitting an open 3. Melo has been a great offensive player but from what I have seen in his career is he plays for stats and status. He may be able to help us but only if the cost is minimal and we don't have better options.

[byennie]

Sometimes reading this blog just makes me roll my eyes at our fans. Ive read the most outlandish things regarding Melo and I'm just stunned. Melo is a top forward in the league even at his current age and y'all are really saying no?? He scores inside and outside and gets a decent amount of boards and this is someone debatable?? Our 2 biggest needs and yay have the nerve to say keep smart and crowder??? IS BETTER THAN SMART AND CROWDER. I never understood why y'all praise Smart sooo much I personally do not like him at all. Someone said he is an "elite" playmaker and thats ridiculous ....

IF smarts elite then what is Rondo? Smart does not make the offense ANY better. Him being "off limits" is a delusional statement as Melo can bring scoring to the table which is what we need. IT is killing himself out there doing it all on his own, he needs the help and Smart is no where near the answer.

In conclusion trading for Melo and getting rid of some 2nds or non Brooklyn draft picks I am 100% down for.

Roll your eyes all you want- Melo is not even a top 50 asset in this league. He finished 12th in the media All-Star vote for eastern conference front court players, and that was generous and doesn't consider his contract. He's 32 going on 33. His team is trying to unload him.

He's a good offensive player, maybe top 25 scorer in the league. He's 17th in scoring average but almost the entire top-40 is more efficient. He rebounds. Below average defender. Trading good players and paying him $25M to come here and think he's a superstar? Pass.

[RIPRED]

We've done the ageing star thing before and it didn't work (Shaq, Jermaine O'Neal, Rashid Wallace). If we had gone for cheaper up and coming players I think we may have won another title.  Danny has learned his lesson.  He's not going to weigh the team down with big cap hits for players that used to be good.

like say a 24 year old recent top 5 pick stuck behind Kevin Durant named Jeff Green?

That said, Im down to take melo off NYK's hands. Nothing more. No AB, no Smart and most definitely no Jaylen Brown.

Danny tried his hardest to get Harden in that trade but OKC wouldn't budge. Unfortunate, because I believe OKC moved on from Harden a season or two after that trade. With that said, I don't think Danny ever expected much from Green considering all he gave up was a half season of a washed up Kendrick Perkins and Nate Robinson for Green and Kristic.

[chilidawg]

Sometimes reading this blog just makes me roll my eyes at our fans. Ive read the most outlandish things regarding Melo and I'm just stunned. Melo is a top forward in the league even at his current age and y'all are really saying no?? He scores inside and outside and gets a decent amount of boards and this is someone debatable?? Our 2 biggest needs and yay have the nerve to say keep smart and crowder??? IS BETTER THAN SMART AND CROWDER. I never understood why y'all praise Smart sooo much I personally do not like him at all. Someone said he is an "elite" playmaker and thats ridiculous ....

IF smarts elite then what is Rondo? Smart does not make the offense ANY better. Him being "off limits" is a delusional statement as Melo can bring scoring to the table which is what we need. IT is killing himself out there doing it all on his own, he needs the help and Smart is no where near the answer.

In conclusion trading for Melo and getting rid of some 2nds or non Brooklyn draft picks I am 100% down for.

Me too.  Especially posts like yours, from posters who don't get that scoring isn't all there is to basketball.

[Irish Stew]

No AB. You make your offer of expiring contracts for cap relief, Rozier, plus 2 non-Nets #1s and leave it as an open offer. They can either take it or hope to do better in the summer by possibly getting Anthony to agree to expand their current 3 team market.

[Ilikesports17]

We've done the ageing star thing before and it didn't work (Shaq, Jermaine O'Neal, Rashid Wallace). If we had gone for cheaper up and coming players I think we may have won another title.  Danny has learned his lesson.  He's not going to weigh the team down with big cap hits for players that used to be good.

like say a 24 year old recent top 5 pick stuck behind Kevin Durant named Jeff Green?

That said, Im down to take melo off NYK's hands. Nothing more. No AB, no Smart and most definitely no Jaylen Brown.

Danny tried his hardest to get Harden in that trade but OKC wouldn't budge. Unfortunate, because I believe OKC moved on from Harden a season or two after that trade. With that said, I don't think Danny ever expected much from Green considering all he gave up was a half season of a washed up Kendrick Perkins and Nate Robinson for Green and Kristic.

yeah, thats all completely fair. Also, I think the Green trade was still the right call. Green had a terrific physical profile and when he was mentally locked in, he was a guy who could make Lebron work.

If Green figured out, then our era of contention could have been extended by a few years as he and Rondo could have been the focal point while KG and Pierce played more secondary roles.

Unfortunately Green had the heart condition  and he never panned out and Rondo tore the ACL and was never close to the same.

It didnt pan out. Sometimes moves dont.