Carmelo Anthony Saga: Analyzing This Summer For The Boston Celtics

[Moranis]

Carmelo is a 2 years rental for championship illusion.
I hope everybody get that right before throwing any assets.
If we have to give expiring contracts and non nets pick, why not, but other than that, I don't see the urge to be a delusional contender.

If we get him without giving up serious assets like the Nets picks or Brown or Smart then I don't see the problem in this. He's a legit star, top tier scorer and and underrated rebounder. Basically he fills two big needs. If we get Melo and pick up a guy like Bogut we are legit contenders for 2-3 years AND we still build an amazing foundation for the future with Brown, Smart, and both Nets picks.

I'd be fine giving up Brown or Smart if O'Quinn also came with Anthony because frankly I can't see Brown (and Smart to a lesser extent) getting much playing time with Anthony around anyway.  Why let a guy that wouldn't play hold a trade that puts Boston up a clear level in talent.  It just doesn't make much sense to me.

I agree with you about Melo still being a great player. Imagine if we'd had him when he was 28 or 29 years old a few years ago.

Now what to give up to get him? On this I am in absolute, 120%, universal disagreement with you on that one.
Sending Marcus or Jaylen would be an enormous mistake. In fact we simply won't take him if he costs that much.

They are limited in their options with his enormous salary, no trade clause, trade kicker and the ability to basically to be traded to whoever he wants that wants him.
We are one of a few teams who can do this.
Doc can offer his son, Crawford and Diamond Stone.

We can offer better than that.
At the very most I think something like:
Rozier+
Young+
Amir+Jerebko
2019 Clippers pick.

at an absolute maximum, and I mean absolute max.

Clippers can also add in Redick who would easily fetch a late 1st from someone and Brice Johnson (who I would argue has as much if not more value than Rozier, which isn't much on either account), and if the Knicks really like Rivers, then the Clippers trade easily exceeds that pile of trash from Boston, which is exactly what that trade is.  That is why Boston will never acquire Anthony for that and New York would just be better off keeping him and looking to move again this summer when teams will be in a better position to acquire him and have more assets available.

Put it this way, if Boston makes the move you propose, then Brown might as well go to the DLeague as he isn't getting any minutes for the Celtics outside of injuries, and that will destroy his value anyway (so he won't hold much value in some sort of future move and Boston won't have the salaries to acquire a star anyway). 

[LilRip]

Carmelo is a 2 years rental for championship illusion.
I hope everybody get that right before throwing any assets.
If we have to give expiring contracts and non nets pick, why not, but other than that, I don't see the urge to be a delusional contender.

If we get him without giving up serious assets like the Nets picks or Brown or Smart then I don't see the problem in this. He's a legit star, top tier scorer and and underrated rebounder. Basically he fills two big needs. If we get Melo and pick up a guy like Bogut we are legit contenders for 2-3 years AND we still build an amazing foundation for the future with Brown, Smart, and both Nets picks.

I'd be fine giving up Brown or Smart if O'Quinn also came with Anthony because frankly I can't see Brown (and Smart to a lesser extent) getting much playing time with Anthony around anyway.  Why let a guy that wouldn't play hold a trade that puts Boston up a clear level in talent.  It just doesn't make much sense to me.

I agree with you about Melo still being a great player. Imagine if we'd had him when he was 28 or 29 years old a few years ago.

Now what to give up to get him? On this I am in absolute, 120%, universal disagreement with you on that one.
Sending Marcus or Jaylen would be an enormous mistake. In fact we simply won't take him if he costs that much.

They are limited in their options with his enormous salary, no trade clause, trade kicker and the ability to basically to be traded to whoever he wants that wants him.
We are one of a few teams who can do this.
Doc can offer his son, Crawford and Diamond Stone.

We can offer better than that.
At the very most I think something like:
Rozier+
Young+
Amir+Jerebko
2019 Clippers pick.

at an absolute maximum, and I mean absolute max.

Clippers can also add in Redick who would easily fetch a late 1st from someone and Brice Johnson (who I would argue has as much if not more value than Rozier, which isn't much on either account), and if the Knicks really like Rivers, then the Clippers trade easily exceeds that pile of trash from Boston, which is exactly what that trade is.  That is why Boston will never acquire Anthony for that and New York would just be better off keeping him and looking to move again this summer when teams will be in a better position to acquire him and have more assets available.

Put it this way, if Boston makes the move you propose, then Brown might as well go to the DLeague as he isn't getting any minutes for the Celtics outside of injuries, and that will destroy his value anyway (so he won't hold much value in some sort of future move and Boston won't have the salaries to acquire a star anyway).

Throw in another 1st rounder and a couple of 2nd rounders! Lol

And I don't see how Brown loses major minutes. With Amir and Jerebko shipped out, that's a lot of minutes to be had. Brown and Melo can play alongside each other. Even Brown at the 2, with Crowder at the 3 and Melo at the 4 will work.

[number_n9ne]

Clippers can also add in Redick who would easily fetch a late 1st from someone and Brice Johnson (who I would argue has as much if not more value than Rozier, which isn't much on either account), and if the Knicks really like Rivers, then the Clippers trade easily exceeds that pile of trash from Boston, which is exactly what that trade is.  That is why Boston will never acquire Anthony for that and New York would just be better off keeping him and looking to move again this summer when teams will be in a better position to acquire him and have more assets available.

Put it this way, if Boston makes the move you propose, then Brown might as well go to the DLeague as he isn't getting any minutes for the Celtics outside of injuries, and that will destroy his value anyway (so he won't hold much value in some sort of future move and Boston won't have the salaries to acquire a star anyway).

You said this in another thread... Please state why you think a 22yo, 25th pick in last year's draft, who's never played an NBA game because of a herniated disk in his back has more value than a 22yo sophomore player who's getting actual minutes.

[Moranis]

Carmelo is a 2 years rental for championship illusion.
I hope everybody get that right before throwing any assets.
If we have to give expiring contracts and non nets pick, why not, but other than that, I don't see the urge to be a delusional contender.

If we get him without giving up serious assets like the Nets picks or Brown or Smart then I don't see the problem in this. He's a legit star, top tier scorer and and underrated rebounder. Basically he fills two big needs. If we get Melo and pick up a guy like Bogut we are legit contenders for 2-3 years AND we still build an amazing foundation for the future with Brown, Smart, and both Nets picks.

I'd be fine giving up Brown or Smart if O'Quinn also came with Anthony because frankly I can't see Brown (and Smart to a lesser extent) getting much playing time with Anthony around anyway.  Why let a guy that wouldn't play hold a trade that puts Boston up a clear level in talent.  It just doesn't make much sense to me.

I agree with you about Melo still being a great player. Imagine if we'd had him when he was 28 or 29 years old a few years ago.

Now what to give up to get him? On this I am in absolute, 120%, universal disagreement with you on that one.
Sending Marcus or Jaylen would be an enormous mistake. In fact we simply won't take him if he costs that much.

They are limited in their options with his enormous salary, no trade clause, trade kicker and the ability to basically to be traded to whoever he wants that wants him.
We are one of a few teams who can do this.
Doc can offer his son, Crawford and Diamond Stone.

We can offer better than that.
At the very most I think something like:
Rozier+
Young+
Amir+Jerebko
2019 Clippers pick.

at an absolute maximum, and I mean absolute max.

Clippers can also add in Redick who would easily fetch a late 1st from someone and Brice Johnson (who I would argue has as much if not more value than Rozier, which isn't much on either account), and if the Knicks really like Rivers, then the Clippers trade easily exceeds that pile of trash from Boston, which is exactly what that trade is.  That is why Boston will never acquire Anthony for that and New York would just be better off keeping him and looking to move again this summer when teams will be in a better position to acquire him and have more assets available.

Put it this way, if Boston makes the move you propose, then Brown might as well go to the DLeague as he isn't getting any minutes for the Celtics outside of injuries, and that will destroy his value anyway (so he won't hold much value in some sort of future move and Boston won't have the salaries to acquire a star anyway).

Throw in another 1st rounder and a couple of 2nd rounders! Lol

And I don't see how Brown loses major minutes. With Amir and Jerebko shipped out, that's a lot of minutes to be had. Brown and Melo can play alongside each other. Even Brown at the 2, with Crowder at the 3 and Melo at the 4 will work.

Playoff type rotation

PG - Thomas 38, Smart 10
SG - Bradley 38, Smart 10
SF - Crowder 38, Anthony 10
PF - Anthony 28, Olynyk 20
C - Horford 38, Olnyk 10

Totals
38 - Thomas, Bradley, Horford, Anthony, Crowder
30 - Olynyk
20 - Smart

Maybe Smart gets some of Anthony's SF minutes, which then cut into KO's PF minutes.  If O'Quinn also comes with Anthony or the C's pick up another backup center, then that person just gets KO's center minutes.

Now obviously the playoff minutes are a bit higher than the regular season, but those aren't that far off from what you would expect, aside from Smart getting more minutes in the regular season.  Brown just isn't going to get time and the C's are better off trading him if someone like Anthony is acquired.  I'd just prefer to trade him for Anthony and use Brown to get O'Quinn who would be the perfect backup for Horford and has a very nice contract.  Brown, Zeller, Johnson for Anthony, O'Quinn.  Keep Jerekbo for depth in that trade as well.

[Moranis]

Clippers can also add in Redick who would easily fetch a late 1st from someone and Brice Johnson (who I would argue has as much if not more value than Rozier, which isn't much on either account), and if the Knicks really like Rivers, then the Clippers trade easily exceeds that pile of trash from Boston, which is exactly what that trade is.  That is why Boston will never acquire Anthony for that and New York would just be better off keeping him and looking to move again this summer when teams will be in a better position to acquire him and have more assets available.

Put it this way, if Boston makes the move you propose, then Brown might as well go to the DLeague as he isn't getting any minutes for the Celtics outside of injuries, and that will destroy his value anyway (so he won't hold much value in some sort of future move and Boston won't have the salaries to acquire a star anyway).

You said this in another thread... Please state why you think a 22yo, 25th pick in last year's draft, who's never played an NBA game because of a herniated disk in his back has more value than a 22yo sophomore player who's getting actual minutes.

because Rozier is a terrible defender AND terrible shooter.  The only reason he is getting actual minutes is Boston has no one else to give them to as a result of injuries.  His RPM is -2.12 with a negative on both offense and defense.  He is scoring 1 point per shot, which is horrendously bad (I mean Smart who statistically was the worst shooter in NBA history through his first two seasons, was never even all that close to 1 pps).  And that 1 pps, is actually an improvement from his rookie year.  Rozier also is locked up a year less and at more money, so if you are looking at them like a long term "asset" you want the extra year at cheaper dollars.  I'm not suggesting Brice Johnson has a lot of value, he doesn't, he has almost zero, I just don't think Rozier has any value at all other than him being a warm body and a salary slot.

I mean put Rozier's stats on a player on another team and then think of Boston acquiring him and trying to sell you that this kid could be a real asset and a player.  It is ridiculous.  Rozier has no real value of any kind. 

[number_n9ne]

Carmelo is a 2 years rental for championship illusion.
I hope everybody get that right before throwing any assets.
If we have to give expiring contracts and non nets pick, why not, but other than that, I don't see the urge to be a delusional contender.

If we get him without giving up serious assets like the Nets picks or Brown or Smart then I don't see the problem in this. He's a legit star, top tier scorer and and underrated rebounder. Basically he fills two big needs. If we get Melo and pick up a guy like Bogut we are legit contenders for 2-3 years AND we still build an amazing foundation for the future with Brown, Smart, and both Nets picks.

I'd be fine giving up Brown or Smart if O'Quinn also came with Anthony because frankly I can't see Brown (and Smart to a lesser extent) getting much playing time with Anthony around anyway.  Why let a guy that wouldn't play hold a trade that puts Boston up a clear level in talent.  It just doesn't make much sense to me.

I agree with you about Melo still being a great player. Imagine if we'd had him when he was 28 or 29 years old a few years ago.

Now what to give up to get him? On this I am in absolute, 120%, universal disagreement with you on that one.
Sending Marcus or Jaylen would be an enormous mistake. In fact we simply won't take him if he costs that much.

They are limited in their options with his enormous salary, no trade clause, trade kicker and the ability to basically to be traded to whoever he wants that wants him.
We are one of a few teams who can do this.
Doc can offer his son, Crawford and Diamond Stone.

We can offer better than that.
At the very most I think something like:
Rozier+
Young+
Amir+Jerebko
2019 Clippers pick.

at an absolute maximum, and I mean absolute max.

Clippers can also add in Redick who would easily fetch a late 1st from someone and Brice Johnson (who I would argue has as much if not more value than Rozier, which isn't much on either account), and if the Knicks really like Rivers, then the Clippers trade easily exceeds that pile of trash from Boston, which is exactly what that trade is.  That is why Boston will never acquire Anthony for that and New York would just be better off keeping him and looking to move again this summer when teams will be in a better position to acquire him and have more assets available.

Put it this way, if Boston makes the move you propose, then Brown might as well go to the DLeague as he isn't getting any minutes for the Celtics outside of injuries, and that will destroy his value anyway (so he won't hold much value in some sort of future move and Boston won't have the salaries to acquire a star anyway).

Throw in another 1st rounder and a couple of 2nd rounders! Lol

And I don't see how Brown loses major minutes. With Amir and Jerebko shipped out, that's a lot of minutes to be had. Brown and Melo can play alongside each other. Even Brown at the 2, with Crowder at the 3 and Melo at the 4 will work.

Playoff type rotation

PG - Thomas 38, Smart 10
SG - Bradley 38, Smart 10
SF - Crowder 38, Anthony 10
PF - Anthony 28, Olynyk 20
C - Horford 38, Olnyk 10

Totals
38 - Thomas, Bradley, Horford, Anthony, Crowder
30 - Olynyk
20 - Smart

Maybe Smart gets some of Anthony's SF minutes, which then cut into KO's PF minutes.  If O'Quinn also comes with Anthony or the C's pick up another backup center, then that person just gets KO's center minutes.

Now obviously the playoff minutes are a bit higher than the regular season, but those aren't that far off from what you would expect, aside from Smart getting more minutes in the regular season.  Brown just isn't going to get time and the C's are better off trading him if someone like Anthony is acquired.  I'd just prefer to trade him for Anthony and use Brown to get O'Quinn who would be the perfect backup for Horford and has a very nice contract.  Brown, Zeller, Johnson for Anthony, O'Quinn.  Keep Jerekbo for depth in that trade as well.

Minutes aside, why would we give up the third pick in last year's draft to get a back up center? That would be horrible management of assets. Wait a minute... Phil...? Is that you...?

[Bobshot]

14 mins ago – via New York Post
A report out of Boston, in contradiction to an ESPN story from Friday, stated the Celtics still have some interest, but as previously reported by The Post, Boston has no intention of giving up any of the first-round picks it controls from the Nets. They have their own picks that could work in a deal along with expiring contracts of Amir Johnson and Jonas Jerebko. Jackson is known to like defensive forward Jae Crowder. The Boston report stated the Knicks had a pro scout at the Celtics game in Milwaukee Saturday.

ESPN is not reliable when it comes to Boston teams. Patriots fans know that. I don't think Ainge will trade any starter for Anthony--not with that contract he has. Phil's main objective is to unload Melo's salary for as much as he can get. He's finding out it isn't much. I'm guessing Ainge is waiting to see how the Butler situation develops before he does anything. He knows Butler will cost much more than Anthony. For the next year or two, I'm not sure Melo might be better in terms of what Danny would have to give up to get Butler. I'm thinking that Nets pick is getting more and more valuable every day.

Melo is a near term fix that could put them much closer to the top tier. Certainly competitive. Especially if they can add another cheap big right now who can rebound. Doing both without giving up any starters or the Nets picks is the trick.

I should add that by "starters", I mean Horford, IT,Bradley,Crowder and Smart. I see them as the core team right now. Crowder would probably be expendable, but only for Butler.

[Moranis]

Carmelo is a 2 years rental for championship illusion.
I hope everybody get that right before throwing any assets.
If we have to give expiring contracts and non nets pick, why not, but other than that, I don't see the urge to be a delusional contender.

If we get him without giving up serious assets like the Nets picks or Brown or Smart then I don't see the problem in this. He's a legit star, top tier scorer and and underrated rebounder. Basically he fills two big needs. If we get Melo and pick up a guy like Bogut we are legit contenders for 2-3 years AND we still build an amazing foundation for the future with Brown, Smart, and both Nets picks.

I'd be fine giving up Brown or Smart if O'Quinn also came with Anthony because frankly I can't see Brown (and Smart to a lesser extent) getting much playing time with Anthony around anyway.  Why let a guy that wouldn't play hold a trade that puts Boston up a clear level in talent.  It just doesn't make much sense to me.

I agree with you about Melo still being a great player. Imagine if we'd had him when he was 28 or 29 years old a few years ago.

Now what to give up to get him? On this I am in absolute, 120%, universal disagreement with you on that one.
Sending Marcus or Jaylen would be an enormous mistake. In fact we simply won't take him if he costs that much.

They are limited in their options with his enormous salary, no trade clause, trade kicker and the ability to basically to be traded to whoever he wants that wants him.
We are one of a few teams who can do this.
Doc can offer his son, Crawford and Diamond Stone.

We can offer better than that.
At the very most I think something like:
Rozier+
Young+
Amir+Jerebko
2019 Clippers pick.

at an absolute maximum, and I mean absolute max.

Clippers can also add in Redick who would easily fetch a late 1st from someone and Brice Johnson (who I would argue has as much if not more value than Rozier, which isn't much on either account), and if the Knicks really like Rivers, then the Clippers trade easily exceeds that pile of trash from Boston, which is exactly what that trade is.  That is why Boston will never acquire Anthony for that and New York would just be better off keeping him and looking to move again this summer when teams will be in a better position to acquire him and have more assets available.

Put it this way, if Boston makes the move you propose, then Brown might as well go to the DLeague as he isn't getting any minutes for the Celtics outside of injuries, and that will destroy his value anyway (so he won't hold much value in some sort of future move and Boston won't have the salaries to acquire a star anyway).

Throw in another 1st rounder and a couple of 2nd rounders! Lol

And I don't see how Brown loses major minutes. With Amir and Jerebko shipped out, that's a lot of minutes to be had. Brown and Melo can play alongside each other. Even Brown at the 2, with Crowder at the 3 and Melo at the 4 will work.

Playoff type rotation

PG - Thomas 38, Smart 10
SG - Bradley 38, Smart 10
SF - Crowder 38, Anthony 10
PF - Anthony 28, Olynyk 20
C - Horford 38, Olnyk 10

Totals
38 - Thomas, Bradley, Horford, Anthony, Crowder
30 - Olynyk
20 - Smart

Maybe Smart gets some of Anthony's SF minutes, which then cut into KO's PF minutes.  If O'Quinn also comes with Anthony or the C's pick up another backup center, then that person just gets KO's center minutes.

Now obviously the playoff minutes are a bit higher than the regular season, but those aren't that far off from what you would expect, aside from Smart getting more minutes in the regular season.  Brown just isn't going to get time and the C's are better off trading him if someone like Anthony is acquired.  I'd just prefer to trade him for Anthony and use Brown to get O'Quinn who would be the perfect backup for Horford and has a very nice contract.  Brown, Zeller, Johnson for Anthony, O'Quinn.  Keep Jerekbo for depth in that trade as well.

Minutes aside, why would we give up the third pick in last year's draft to get a back up center? That would be horrible management of assets. Wait a minute... Phil...? Is that you...?

Because it is going to take some real asset.  The Knicks aren't just going to dump Anthony for garbage.  It would be a PR nightmare, but large expiring contracts and the third pick in the recent draft is easily sellable for NY and a trade that makes sense for Boston.

[Ilikesports17]

Carmelo is a 2 years rental for championship illusion.
I hope everybody get that right before throwing any assets.
If we have to give expiring contracts and non nets pick, why not, but other than that, I don't see the urge to be a delusional contender.

If we get him without giving up serious assets like the Nets picks or Brown or Smart then I don't see the problem in this. He's a legit star, top tier scorer and and underrated rebounder. Basically he fills two big needs. If we get Melo and pick up a guy like Bogut we are legit contenders for 2-3 years AND we still build an amazing foundation for the future with Brown, Smart, and both Nets picks.

I'd be fine giving up Brown or Smart if O'Quinn also came with Anthony because frankly I can't see Brown (and Smart to a lesser extent) getting much playing time with Anthony around anyway.  Why let a guy that wouldn't play hold a trade that puts Boston up a clear level in talent.  It just doesn't make much sense to me.

I agree with you about Melo still being a great player. Imagine if we'd had him when he was 28 or 29 years old a few years ago.

Now what to give up to get him? On this I am in absolute, 120%, universal disagreement with you on that one.
Sending Marcus or Jaylen would be an enormous mistake. In fact we simply won't take him if he costs that much.

They are limited in their options with his enormous salary, no trade clause, trade kicker and the ability to basically to be traded to whoever he wants that wants him.
We are one of a few teams who can do this.
Doc can offer his son, Crawford and Diamond Stone.

We can offer better than that.
At the very most I think something like:
Rozier+
Young+
Amir+Jerebko
2019 Clippers pick.

at an absolute maximum, and I mean absolute max.

Clippers can also add in Redick who would easily fetch a late 1st from someone and Brice Johnson (who I would argue has as much if not more value than Rozier, which isn't much on either account), and if the Knicks really like Rivers, then the Clippers trade easily exceeds that pile of trash from Boston, which is exactly what that trade is.  That is why Boston will never acquire Anthony for that and New York would just be better off keeping him and looking to move again this summer when teams will be in a better position to acquire him and have more assets available.

Put it this way, if Boston makes the move you propose, then Brown might as well go to the DLeague as he isn't getting any minutes for the Celtics outside of injuries, and that will destroy his value anyway (so he won't hold much value in some sort of future move and Boston won't have the salaries to acquire a star anyway).

Throw in another 1st rounder and a couple of 2nd rounders! Lol

And I don't see how Brown loses major minutes. With Amir and Jerebko shipped out, that's a lot of minutes to be had. Brown and Melo can play alongside each other. Even Brown at the 2, with Crowder at the 3 and Melo at the 4 will work.

Playoff type rotation

PG - Thomas 38, Smart 10
SG - Bradley 38, Smart 10
SF - Crowder 38, Anthony 10
PF - Anthony 28, Olynyk 20
C - Horford 38, Olnyk 10

Totals
38 - Thomas, Bradley, Horford, Anthony, Crowder
30 - Olynyk
20 - Smart

Maybe Smart gets some of Anthony's SF minutes, which then cut into KO's PF minutes.  If O'Quinn also comes with Anthony or the C's pick up another backup center, then that person just gets KO's center minutes.

Now obviously the playoff minutes are a bit higher than the regular season, but those aren't that far off from what you would expect, aside from Smart getting more minutes in the regular season.  Brown just isn't going to get time and the C's are better off trading him if someone like Anthony is acquired.  I'd just prefer to trade him for Anthony and use Brown to get O'Quinn who would be the perfect backup for Horford and has a very nice contract.  Brown, Zeller, Johnson for Anthony, O'Quinn.  Keep Jerekbo for depth in that trade as well.

Minutes aside, why would we give up the third pick in last year's draft to get a back up center? That would be horrible management of assets. Wait a minute... Phil...? Is that you...?

Because it is going to take some real asset.  The Knicks aren't just going to dump Anthony for garbage.  It would be a PR nightmare, but large expiring contracts and the third pick in the recent draft is easily sellable for NY and a trade that makes sense for Boston.

Giving up Brown is dumb. Brown is way more valuable than anything else NYK could he'd for Anthony. If it costs Brown, just say no. Let NYK try to find another team Melo will waive the NTC for that will give you something half that value.

Melo is a luxury. No need to sacrifice any major assets for him.

[cltc5]

Take out our trash New York or we walk.

[Rosco917]

I guess it all depends on what we give up. (I still have mixed feeling helping the Knicks by giving them salary relief.)

Maybe if we can get another player in the deal that can help us...Kyle O'Quinn comes to mind. At least with that deal, rebounding, and toughness will improve, along with scoring.

Will we beat the Cavs...no, but we should get into the ECF.

[Clench123]

NO TO MELO

YES TO MELO but not at any major cost

[The Oracle]

Undersized lineups like I.T./Avery/Crowder/Melo/Horford are NOT going to get you anywhere!  It is a recipe for disaster as they would just get destroyed in the playoffs defensively and on the boards.

The only way I would consider Melo would be if Porzingis came attached to his hip.  Would think long and hard about sending out both Brooklyn picks and Bradley/Zeller with Amir or Jerebko/Young, plus maybe even more.

I.T./Crowder/Melo/Porzingis/Horford
Smart/Brown/Olynyk/Amir or Jerebko

That lineup would create real match up problems for all the contenders and would be excellent defensively.


     

[Phantom255x]

Undersized lineups like I.T./Avery/Crowder/Melo/Horford are NOT going to get you anywhere!  It is a recipe for disaster as they would just get destroyed in the playoffs defensively and on the boards.

The only way I would consider Melo would be if Porzingis came attached to his hip.  Would think long and hard about sending out both Brooklyn picks and Bradley/Zeller with Amir or Jerebko/Young, plus maybe even more.

I.T./Crowder/Melo/Porzingis/Horford
Smart/Brown/Olynyk/Amir or Jerebko

That lineup would create real match up problems for all the contenders and would be excellent defensively.


   

And WHY in the world would they trade Porzingis... Their hope is to build around him.

They are shopping Melo to aid in that effort in some way.

It's also pretty absurd to think NY will ship Porzingis along with Melo just because Melo's trade value out there is fairly low...

[The Oracle]

Undersized lineups like I.T./Avery/Crowder/Melo/Horford are NOT going to get you anywhere!  It is a recipe for disaster as they would just get destroyed in the playoffs defensively and on the boards.

The only way I would consider Melo would be if Porzingis came attached to his hip.  Would think long and hard about sending out both Brooklyn picks and Bradley/Zeller with Amir or Jerebko/Young, plus maybe even more.

I.T./Crowder/Melo/Porzingis/Horford
Smart/Brown/Olynyk/Amir or Jerebko

That lineup would create real match up problems for all the contenders and would be excellent defensively.


   

And WHY in the world would they trade Porzingis... Their hope is to build around him.

They are shopping Melo to aid in that effort in some way.

It's also pretty absurd to think NY will ship Porzingis along with Melo just because Melo's trade value out there is fairly low...

The Knicks can HOPE to build around Porzingis all they want but the truth is they are firmly stuck in mediocrity!  Trading away Melo does little to get them out of it.  If they were to trade away both Porzingis and Melo for the package I suggested they could then rebuild around the Brooklyn picks and their own picks while tanking the next couple years.

It is surely something they would have to consider.  They could come out of the next 2 years with 4 very high picks as well as trading Bradley to lets say Phil. for Noel or Okafor/Luwawu.  Not at all saying either team would necessarily do this but it is possible.