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Young teams don't work
« on: December 25, 2016, 08:15:20 PM »

Offline walker834

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Get to watch Minny now.  Some good games today. But they have their big 3 in towns, lavine, and wiggins.  They have Rubio a good vet pg, gorgui dieng. They have a young stud pg  in Dunn.  A good coach in Thibs and their team stinks.

Wiggins in particular was very overhyped when he came out.  Good scorer so far but not much else.

A lot of people had him pegged as the next Jordan or Durant.  He is not even close so far.

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« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2016, 08:22:41 PM »

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Will Minny be a future powerhouse and turn it around? This is really their 2nd year  together. Even KG was there to usher Towns into the league.   When will Dunn take over?

They seem to have all the pieces in place of what they want. They are all just super young.  Do you think they will be able to go up against the Lebrons of the world some day?
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« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2016, 08:29:41 PM »

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Before they become the powerhouse everyone
Expects them to be, they need one or two solid vets to help them be a good regular season team first. Theyre way too young to make a run at the SAN Antonio and GSW's of the league. Their peak this season will be what we were two years ago when we traded for IT.
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« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2016, 08:35:44 PM »

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Milwaulkee is another one with Giannis and Parker right now.  Young gun teams but their records are terrible.  Milwaulkee is at least starting to crack .500.

The timberwolves are one of hte worst teams in the league record wise.
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« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2016, 08:41:17 PM »

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This is generally true. Young teams have to learn how to win in the NBA and rarely does a young team win much. Even a guy like Jordan was in the league 5 or 6 years before his teams became a solid winner.

Remember that Boston is still one of the youngest teams in the NBA. They continue to learn and grow as they get more mature. I think Minny will get there too but it will take time.
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« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2016, 08:41:39 PM »

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Parker and Giannis are starting to impress me.  I heard someone the other day compare Parker to a young Charles Barley which i found interesting lol.

These teams are so young though.  It's like Okc but by the time they got good they had some good years then they lost Durant.  It's so hard to tell what will happen with these teams.  GS on the other hand had a couple tough years then really took off.

I'm not sure I see the round mound of rebound with Parker but still kind of interesting how they run the floor.
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« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2016, 08:58:08 PM »

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Both Wiggins and Parker do not impress me that much so far though.  Two of the more overhyped prospects in recetn memory.  Injury concers concern me with both.

Neither player is a guy who is going to lead a team to a championship imo. 

Wiggins is nothing more than an athletic guy who shoots the ball a lot right now.

Parker is the same but has more size to his frame and a bit more of a game right now.

As far as actual basketball players they both have a ways to go.
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« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2016, 09:12:25 PM »

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Those teams have plenty of talent .....ozzing wth it.

They don't have the EXPERIENCE to use it correctly yet .

The young stud have to mature first as players .......then they have to land on the right team with right teammates and coach. 

That's a lot dominos to fall into place ....before the next Warrior or LeBron team comes along.

different players have different amounts of suscess depending on where they land .....see IT and Turner for example .
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« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2016, 09:26:20 PM »

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i am surprised no one has brought philly into this conversation. if what people say here is accurate, then a serious question must be raised about the "process" in philly as it has run so far.

and it does not seem so simple as saying "bring in 2-3 veterans" it seems.
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« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2016, 10:17:49 PM »

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The wolves lacked veteran and emotional leaders. They are riding solely on talent. No chemistry and leadership whatsoever.
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« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2016, 12:27:44 AM »

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Quote from: hwangjini_1 on December 25, 2016, 09:26:20 PM
i am surprised no one has brought philly into this conversation. if what people say here is accurate, then a serious question must be raised about the "process" in philly as it has run so far.

and it does not seem so simple as saying "bring in 2-3 veterans" it seems.
You are absolutely right.  So tanking for 3 years means it might be 7 years before a team made of those young guys is any good.  A team like OKC was on the quicker end of that, but they drafted 3 absolute superstars.
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« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2016, 01:13:34 AM »

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You need young guys to replenish guys who get older. If you have talented players in the optimal zone (23-29), you don't have to worry about age. If you're talented players are 19, I wouldn't expect to start winning for 4 or 5 years.
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« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2016, 01:27:14 AM »

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I feel pretty strongly that Wiggins and Lavine are (at least this far) pretty much empty stats guys,
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« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2016, 04:35:37 AM »

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Don't be fool by the flashy offense game. How are they doing defensively? What is their hustle level? Are they hungry to win the game badly? That's the most important criteria that people neglict when judging players/team. Check the advanced defense stats of Wiggins, Lavine and KAT, you'll be very surprised, specially now they have Thibs.
Being in the top 10 plays each week is nice, but I prefer grinding and winning games.
To me, watching all the easy buckets we got from moving the ball and setting the right screens and cuts are more beautiful than any iso or tough shots the youngsters are making.
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« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2016, 09:47:23 AM »

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The Wolves don't fit very well together which is the bigger problem.  Dieng and Towns aren't a great fit.  Lavine and Wiggins are both poor defenders.  It isn't a question of age as much as fit and team construction.  Seattle/OKC won 20 games in Durant's rookie year, 23 games in Westbrook's rookie year, and 55 games in Harden's rookie year.  In the playoffs they had 30 year old Collison in the rotation, but the next oldest player was 26 year old Perkins (who was obviously a vet at that point).  Durant, Harden, Westbrook, and Ibaka were all 21 or 22.  Thabo Sefolosha was 26 and started over Harden.  Maynor and Cook were both 23 and the other guys that played in all 17 playoff games for the Thunder that year.  They made the WCF that year and the next year were in the Finals with basically the same team (before they traded Harden that summer).  That team just fit well together once they moved Green for Perkins.  They had a defensive/rebounding center in Perkins, a defensive stretch 4 in Ibaka, an offensive juggernaut at SF and SG, and a monster PG.  Russ and Durant were solid defenders, and they started Thabo over Harden because he was a superb defender. 

Roster construction is important.  The Wolves need a defensive oriented wing, a better fit next to Towns (even if just for 15 minutes a game - a guy like Bogut for example), and they need a 3 and D PG.  Rubio is a terrible shooter and while he is a good steal generator isn't a great on ball defender.  They need to find a better fit there. 
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