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Re: Bench Minutes/Brad's Rotation
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2016, 07:03:49 AM »

Offline The Oracle

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People can't even rave about his "intangible" impact this year, because even his advanced stats have been mediocre:

Def Rating: 108
Off Rating: 96
Ovr Rating: -12
Real Plus Minus: -0.08 (15th among PG)


EDIT: And where are you getting these stats from? NBA has his ORTG at 103.3 and DRTG at 102.0 with an overall rating of 1.3.

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203935/advanced/

The stats are from BBall-Ref (RPM is from ESPN)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

NBA.com and BBall-Ref consistently have different Per 100 numbers for some reason, which I'm guessing is based partly on how they obtain play by play data, as well as how they define a "possession".

I'm not sure who to trust.  I'd be inclined to trust NBA.com stats more, but their advanced player data just recently came back online and there have been numerous bugs in the software which have caused some unusual discrepancies in player data depending on how you sort the data.
The Off. and Def. rating numbers provided on NBA.com are actual Per 100 ratings.  The numbers on BBRef. however are not, they're from a junk formula that someone created and they call it Off. and Def. ratings.  They are derived from box score statistics and if you look at them with the least bit critical of an eye you would find they are complete garbage.


Any proof of this? Or is this just speculation?

Truth be told, though, I don't give plus/minus stats and any of their variants forms much attention. They're not really all that good of a means for evaluating a player.
If you go to BBRef. there are definitions for all their statistics.  The Off. and Def. ratings are a formula created by Dean Oliver to try to capture a players impact both offensively and defensively.  They are heavily reliant on box score events which in no way can accurately portray  a players value. 

For example using blocks, steals and rebounds to determine a players defensive value can lead you completely astray.  Andre Drummond is a great example of this as he accumulates a ton of defensive rebounds that when plugged into Dean Oliver's formula result in a 95 defensive rating leading you to believe he is an exceptional defender when he clearly is not.  Drummond's team is in fact much better defensively without him producing an actual per 100 defensive rating of 95.7 when he is not on the floor and a 105.9 rating when he is on the floor for Detroit. 

Offensively low usage junk bucket guys like Amir, Tristan Thompson, DeAndre Jordan and Dwight Howard come out looking like world beaters offensively and that just isn't the case.  There just are a million holes in in these formulas and they have basically zero validity to them.

Re: Bench Minutes/Brad's Rotation
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2016, 09:40:42 AM »

Offline bopna

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Where is Jaylen!!!!
No im not impatient just asking because he hasnt really made bum decisions when on the court yet see only scant minutes in the 1st half of the last 2 games...Soft KO has made more booboo than Jaylen has. Cmon Brad..let the kid learn. The more he plays the better and quicker his development.