Fultz vs Ball - who is the best pg of the 2017 draft?

[GreenShooter]

Strength: Fultz
Quickness: Fultz
Explosiveness: Fultz
Length: Toss-up
Shooting: Fultz
Pull-up/Mid-range: Fultz
Driving/Finishing: Fultz
Passing: Toss-up (This is where I get the most flack. Ball has a lot of assists this year, but Fultz has a lot too. In my opinion, if Fultz had more talent on his roster or if Ball replaced Fultz in Washington, the numbers would be comparable)
Defense: Ball
Pizazz: Ball

I definitely think that Fultz is a safer pick. That being said, Ball is a special player who, in the right situation, could be really, really special.

He is not the same player as Curry, but they both have that same electricity around them. If that is unleashed in the right way, Ball could be an all-star.

But I think Ball's transition to the NBA could be difficult.

Ball is quicker and more explosive..

I disagree with you there, especially considering Fultz is playing with 20 more pounds.

So how do we know then? Only sure thing is what we can see now

I havent seen Fultz dunk once. And he doesnt have ease getting past his man outside of doing it in a crafty manner/utilize picks. He is not slow and can use strength to build momentum.. but...

Ball can nail alley hoop dunks.  Can get past his man. Rebound quicker to the ball than many big players

http://giphy.com/gifs/H5jgGlLymeETu?utm_source=iframe&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=tag_click

[Tr1boy]

Have been keeping an eye on both. Watching recent games

Fultz imo reminds me of Bradley Beal.  Very good shooter. Spot up, on the move, pull up, off balance.  But as the game becomes more intense or against a good 1 on 1 defender , has an uneasy time turning the corner and making it all the way to the basket.  Prefers going right and is noteacable. Solid passer (does not force bad shots) and good rebounder for a guard.  Calm demeanor

Ball is Jason Kidd. Ucla is 14-1 for a reason. He can control the floor like no other I have seen since Kidd, Rondo at peak. 
He starts out slow for himself and rarely looks for his own shot.  Passes the ball and makes the defense work. But then in the 2nd half , will take advantage of weaknesses and drive in or shoot the open jump shot. Cause chaos. Does not lose quickness as the game becomes more intense.  True floor general.  Quiet yet bold

Recent highlights

Fultz
https://youtu.be/0IdtzEyvxII

Ball
https://youtu.be/w_Azc4_Iwhg

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Have been keeping an eye on both. Watching recent games

Fultz imo reminds me of Bradley Beal.  Very good shooter. Spot up, on the move, pull up, off balance.  But as the game becomes more intense or against a good 1 on 1 defender , has an uneasy time turning the corner and making it all the way to the basket.  Prefers going to his right and is noteacable. Solid passer (does not force bad shots) and good rebounder for a guard.  Calm demeanor

Ball is Jason Kidd. Ucla is 14-1 for a reason. He can control the floor like no ther I have seen since Kidd, Rondo at peak. 
He starts out slow for himself and rarely looks for his own shot.  Passes the ball and makes the defense work. But then in the 2nd half , will take advantage of a weaknesses and drive in or shoot the open jump shot.  Does not lose quickness as the game becomes more intense.  True floor general.  Quiet yet bold

Do you mean that Fultz's demeanor is like Beal? Because they play different positions. Fultz is a pretty good floor general in his own right, but he can also drive and finish creatively.

I'm not quite as enamored with Ball as you are, but I see where you are coming from.

[Tr1boy]

Have been keeping an eye on both. Watching recent games

Fultz imo reminds me of Bradley Beal.  Very good shooter. Spot up, on the move, pull up, off balance.  But as the game becomes more intense or against a good 1 on 1 defender , has an uneasy time turning the corner and making it all the way to the basket.  Prefers going to his right and is noteacable. Solid passer (does not force bad shots) and good rebounder for a guard.  Calm demeanor

Ball is Jason Kidd. Ucla is 14-1 for a reason. He can control the floor like no ther I have seen since Kidd, Rondo at peak. 
He starts out slow for himself and rarely looks for his own shot.  Passes the ball and makes the defense work. But then in the 2nd half , will take advantage of a weaknesses and drive in or shoot the open jump shot.  Does not lose quickness as the game becomes more intense.  True floor general.  Quiet yet bold

Do you mean that Fultz's demeanor is like Beal? Because they play different positions. Fultz is a pretty good floor general in his own right, but he can also drive and finish creatively.

I'm not quite as enamored with Ball as you are, but I see where you are coming from.

Take a look at the highlights I just posted...

 Fultz's demeanor is like Beal's but more. They share many similiraties

[A Future of Stevens]

Strength: Fultz
Quickness: Fultz
Explosiveness: Fultz
Length: Toss-up
Shooting: Fultz
Pull-up/Mid-range: Fultz
Driving/Finishing: Fultz
Passing: Toss-up (This is where I get the most flack. Ball has a lot of assists this year, but Fultz has a lot too. In my opinion, if Fultz had more talent on his roster or if Ball replaced Fultz in Washington, the numbers would be comparable)
Defense: Ball
Pizazz: Ball

I definitely think that Fultz is a safer pick. That being said, Ball is a special player who, in the right situation, could be really, really special.

He is not the same player as Curry, but they both have that same electricity around them. If that is unleashed in the right way, Ball could be an all-star.

But I think Ball's transition to the NBA could be difficult.

Ball is quicker and more explosive..

I disagree with you there, especially considering Fultz is playing with 20 more pounds.

So how do we know then? Only sure thing is what we can see now

I havent seen Fultz dunk once. And he doesnt have ease getting past his man outside of doing it in a crafty manner/utilize picks. He is not slow and can use strength to build momentum.. but...

Ball can nail alley hoop dunks.  Can get past his man. Rebound quicker to the ball than many big players

http://giphy.com/gifs/H5jgGlLymeETu?utm_source=iframe&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=tag_click

Lol I was going to say. Fultz can throw down alleys also. He doesn't much because no one is on his team with him, but he can. He posters somebody every 5ish games. The kids athleticism is nuts. Also when is the last time Ball got a chase down block? A lot of Fultz videos have him coming from the other side of the paint to pin someones shot on the back board as a 6'4 pg. The kid is wildly athletic, has a better handle, and has the most advanced pull up game I have seen come out of college since Kyrie.

[GreenShooter]

Strength: Fultz
Quickness: Fultz
Explosiveness: Fultz
Length: Toss-up
Shooting: Fultz
Pull-up/Mid-range: Fultz
Driving/Finishing: Fultz
Passing: Toss-up (This is where I get the most flack. Ball has a lot of assists this year, but Fultz has a lot too. In my opinion, if Fultz had more talent on his roster or if Ball replaced Fultz in Washington, the numbers would be comparable)
Defense: Ball
Pizazz: Ball

I definitely think that Fultz is a safer pick. That being said, Ball is a special player who, in the right situation, could be really, really special.

He is not the same player as Curry, but they both have that same electricity around them. If that is unleashed in the right way, Ball could be an all-star.

But I think Ball's transition to the NBA could be difficult.

Ball is quicker and more explosive..

I disagree with you there, especially considering Fultz is playing with 20 more pounds.

So how do we know then? Only sure thing is what we can see now

I havent seen Fultz dunk once. And he doesnt have ease getting past his man outside of doing it in a crafty manner/utilize picks. He is not slow and can use strength to build momentum.. but...

Ball can nail alley hoop dunks.  Can get past his man. Rebound quicker to the ball than many big players

http://giphy.com/gifs/H5jgGlLymeETu?utm_source=iframe&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=tag_click

Lol I was going to say. Fultz can throw down alleys also. He doesn't much because no one is on his team with him, but he can. He posters somebody every 5ish games. The kids athleticism is nuts. Also when is the last time Ball got a chase down block? A lot of Fultz videos have him coming from the other side of the paint to pin someones shot on the back board as a 6'4 pg. The kid is wildly athletic, has a better handle, and has the most advanced pull up game I have seen come out of college since Kyrie.

This! His pull-up & release are so quick that the defense doesn't even get a chance to put their hands in his face. Dare I say, Currry-esque. Not as quick a release as Curry but he gets a lot of air under him. I can't really compare him to anyone right now but I see some Curry, some Kobe, some Pierce. Kid is good and very confident.

[tankcity!]

Strength: Fultz
Quickness: Fultz
Explosiveness: Fultz
Length: Toss-up
Shooting: Fultz
Pull-up/Mid-range: Fultz
Driving/Finishing: Fultz
Passing: Toss-up (This is where I get the most flack. Ball has a lot of assists this year, but Fultz has a lot too. In my opinion, if Fultz had more talent on his roster or if Ball replaced Fultz in Washington, the numbers would be comparable)
Defense: Ball
Pizazz: Ball

I definitely think that Fultz is a safer pick. That being said, Ball is a special player who, in the right situation, could be really, really special.

He is not the same player as Curry, but they both have that same electricity around them. If that is unleashed in the right way, Ball could be an all-star.

But I think Ball's transition to the NBA could be difficult.

Ball is quicker and more explosive..

I disagree with you there, especially considering Fultz is playing with 20 more pounds.

So how do we know then? Only sure thing is what we can see now

I havent seen Fultz dunk once. And he doesnt have ease getting past his man outside of doing it in a crafty manner/utilize picks. He is not slow and can use strength to build momentum.. but...

Ball can nail alley hoop dunks.  Can get past his man. Rebound quicker to the ball than many big players

http://giphy.com/gifs/H5jgGlLymeETu?utm_source=iframe&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=tag_click

Lol I was going to say. Fultz can throw down alleys also. He doesn't much because no one is on his team with him, but he can. He posters somebody every 5ish games. The kids athleticism is nuts. Also when is the last time Ball got a chase down block? A lot of Fultz videos have him coming from the other side of the paint to pin someones shot on the back board as a 6'4 pg. The kid is wildly athletic, has a better handle, and has the most advanced pull up game I have seen come out of college since Kyrie.

This! His pull-up & release are so quick that the defense doesn't even get a chance to put their hands in his face. Dare I say, Currry-esque. Not as quick a release as Curry but he gets a lot of air under him. I can't really compare him to anyone right now but I see some Curry, some Kobe, some Pierce. Kid is good and very confident.

I think Kyrie is a really good comp for this him. He's a great finisher too. He has a long wingspan so it's hard to disrupt him.

[PhoSita]

Fultz doesn't appear to play a lot of defense, to me.  Stylistically he looks most like Deangelo Russell.  I guess I'm not sure I see the consensus #1 top pick others do.  But I've only seen highlight reels, so I don't put too much stock in my own impression.

As for Lonzo Ball, I'm even less impressed by what I've seen.  He has a weird jumpshot motion reminiscent of Kevin Martin (who was, to be fair, an excellent shooter).  He's very upright generally.  I'm not sure how good he is defensively.  He doesn't appear like a super physical player.

I guess what I want in a potential top 3 pick is somebody with potentially game changing size or athleticism.  E.g. Embiid, Porzingis, Towns, Wiggins, Giannis, etc.

[beantownboy171]

Lonzo Ball is my #1 pick.


He's the perfect fit next to Smart and Jaylen Brown.

There's no doubt in my mind that come draft time the clear top 2 will be Fultz and Ball. I prefer Ball because he has a killer instinct. higher defensive upside and can play 4 positions.

[tankcity!]

Fultz doesn't appear to play a lot of defense, to me.  Stylistically he looks most like Deangelo Russell.  I guess I'm not sure I see the consensus #1 top pick others do.  But I've only seen highlight reels, so I don't put too much stock in my own impression.

As for Lonzo Ball, I'm even less impressed by what I've seen.  He has a weird jumpshot motion reminiscent of Kevin Martin (who was, to be fair, an excellent shooter).  He's very upright generally.  I'm not sure how good he is defensively.  He doesn't appear like a super physical player.

I guess what I want in a potential top 3 pick is somebody with potentially game changing size or athleticism.  E.g. Embiid, Porzingis, Towns, Wiggins, Giannis, etc.

I'm pretty confident both players are going to be better than Wiggins. Wiggins has been a disappointment to be honest. He's just a jumpshooter who doesn't play great D. Maybe he will one day be an elite defender.

Also, Fultz is light years more athletic than Russel. Not trying to be mean, but you are usually very conservative with prospects. You were negative on Brown last year as well and I think Brown has proven to show high upside thus far.

You're saying Ball isn't a great scorer? Yeah we all know that. His comp is Jason Kidd. I would refer you to look at Kidd's stats. He wasn't a great scorer. I think you are missing the point on Ball. You can't give him space to shoot because he is an elite shooter thus far in college. And he has the best vision I've seen in a while. Kind of an amazing winning player imo. Really does remind me of Kidd.

[Tr1boy]

Lonzo Ball is my #1 pick.


He's the perfect fit next to Smart and Jaylen Brown.

There's no doubt in my mind that come draft time the clear top 2 will be Fultz and Ball. I prefer Ball because he has a killer instinct. higher defensive upside and can play 4 positions.

4?? I dunno about that

Both guard positions yes

[SHAQATTACK]

Fultz

[tazzmaniac]

Strength: Fultz
Quickness: Fultz
Explosiveness: Fultz
Length: Toss-up
Shooting: Fultz
Pull-up/Mid-range: Fultz
Driving/Finishing: Fultz
Passing: Toss-up (This is where I get the most flack. Ball has a lot of assists this year, but Fultz has a lot too. In my opinion, if Fultz had more talent on his roster or if Ball replaced Fultz in Washington, the numbers would be comparable)
Defense: Ball
Pizazz: Ball

I definitely think that Fultz is a safer pick. That being said, Ball is a special player who, in the right situation, could be really, really special.

He is not the same player as Curry, but they both have that same electricity around them. If that is unleashed in the right way, Ball could be an all-star.

But I think Ball's transition to the NBA could be difficult.

Ball is quicker and more explosive..

I disagree with you there, especially considering Fultz is playing with 20 more pounds.

So how do we know then? Only sure thing is what we can see now

I havent seen Fultz dunk once. And he doesnt have ease getting past his man outside of doing it in a crafty manner/utilize picks. He is not slow and can use strength to build momentum.. but...

Ball can nail alley hoop dunks.  Can get past his man. Rebound quicker to the ball than many big players

http://giphy.com/gifs/H5jgGlLymeETu?utm_source=iframe&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=tag_click

Lol I was going to say. Fultz can throw down alleys also. He doesn't much because no one is on his team with him, but he can. He posters somebody every 5ish games. The kids athleticism is nuts. Also when is the last time Ball got a chase down block? A lot of Fultz videos have him coming from the other side of the paint to pin someones shot on the back board as a 6'4 pg. The kid is wildly athletic, has a better handle, and has the most advanced pull up game I have seen come out of college since Kyrie.

Fultz and Ball are good athletes but neither are elite like Giannis, LaVine, etc.  In this draft at the PG position, Fox and Smith are better athletically at the PG position. 

[CelticGuardian]

Fultz doesn't appear to play a lot of defense, to me.  Stylistically he looks most like Deangelo Russell.  I guess I'm not sure I see the consensus #1 top pick others do.  But I've only seen highlight reels, so I don't put too much stock in my own impression.

As for Lonzo Ball, I'm even less impressed by what I've seen.  He has a weird jumpshot motion reminiscent of Kevin Martin (who was, to be fair, an excellent shooter).  He's very upright generally.  I'm not sure how good he is defensively.  He doesn't appear like a super physical player.

I guess what I want in a potential top 3 pick is somebody with potentially game changing size or athleticism.  E.g. Embiid, Porzingis, Towns, Wiggins, Giannis, etc.

I'm pretty confident both players are going to be better than Wiggins. Wiggins has been a disappointment to be honest. He's just a jumpshooter who doesn't play great D. Maybe he will one day be an elite defender.

Also, Fultz is light years more athletic than Russel. Not trying to be mean, but you are usually very conservative with prospects. You were negative on Brown last year as well and I think Brown has proven to show high upside thus far.

You're saying Ball isn't a great scorer? Yeah we all know that. His comp is Jason Kidd. I would refer you to look at Kidd's stats. He wasn't a great scorer. I think you are missing the point on Ball. You can't give him space to shoot because he is an elite shooter thus far in college. And he has the best vision I've seen in a while. Kind of an amazing winning player imo. Really does remind me of Kidd.

I think Ball can turn it up when motivated tho, he came out p---ed after his team got their first loss, I like seeing that.

D'Angelo was never as clever of a scorer as Fultz, Russell never even grazed the rim in college...  he was probably a more clever passer but it seems like a lot of what he excelled that in College is not effective against the big boys. He's essentially just a chucker now..

[tankcity!]

Fultz doesn't appear to play a lot of defense, to me.  Stylistically he looks most like Deangelo Russell.  I guess I'm not sure I see the consensus #1 top pick others do.  But I've only seen highlight reels, so I don't put too much stock in my own impression.

As for Lonzo Ball, I'm even less impressed by what I've seen.  He has a weird jumpshot motion reminiscent of Kevin Martin (who was, to be fair, an excellent shooter).  He's very upright generally.  I'm not sure how good he is defensively.  He doesn't appear like a super physical player.

I guess what I want in a potential top 3 pick is somebody with potentially game changing size or athleticism.  E.g. Embiid, Porzingis, Towns, Wiggins, Giannis, etc.

I'm pretty confident both players are going to be better than Wiggins. Wiggins has been a disappointment to be honest. He's just a jumpshooter who doesn't play great D. Maybe he will one day be an elite defender.

Also, Fultz is light years more athletic than Russel. Not trying to be mean, but you are usually very conservative with prospects. You were negative on Brown last year as well and I think Brown has proven to show high upside thus far.

You're saying Ball isn't a great scorer? Yeah we all know that. His comp is Jason Kidd. I would refer you to look at Kidd's stats. He wasn't a great scorer. I think you are missing the point on Ball. You can't give him space to shoot because he is an elite shooter thus far in college. And he has the best vision I've seen in a while. Kind of an amazing winning player imo. Really does remind me of Kidd.

I think Ball can turn it up when motivated tho, he came out p---ed after his team got their first loss, I like seeing that.

D'Angelo was never as clever of a scorer as Fultz, Russell never even grazed the rim in college...  he was probably a more clever passer but it seems like a lot of what he excelled that in College is not effective against the big boys. He's essentially just a chucker now..

I love his intangibles too. I would recommend this article. It's a great read on Ball when he was in high school.

https://theringer.com/steph-curry-ball-brothers-chino-hills-c4a7719b22e9#.sxb4o6p5o