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Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #465 on: November 17, 2016, 08:59:15 PM »

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Celticsblog forum has become the LarBrd33 "I'm always right and lets all ballwash Joel Embiid" forum.
I've been trying to get the mods to accept that re-branding for months and it's fallen on deaf ears.

Charles Barkley just compared Embiid/Simmons to Durant/Westbrook in terms of having two superstars.  He says if they stay healthy, they can be transformational players.

10 years of six posts a day worth of condescending tripe...I'm surprised the philly board hasn't made you a mod already.

I really don't care what Barkley thinks.
Please do not disparage my home dingers.

What Barkley says is true, though.  These two teams right now (Philly and the Timberwolves) have two of the most exciting young collections of talent in the league.  5-10 years from now we might be seeing these teams in the Finals against each other.

Then again, Embiid might be hurt again.  So who knows.

I'd be surprised if both Wiggins and Towns stay long term in Minnesota.

Re: Philly, I have no idea. They are such an embarrassment to the NBA and their fans that I could see Ben Simmons wanting to bounce right after his rookie deal to head to one of the major target cities that has a winning team. I hope Embiid stays healthy and stays in Philly, they need something to go right. Okafor and Noel will both test the market, and I don't see either staying. Maybe Saric stays?

Simmons and Embiid...both very big humans with mid-foot problems/fractures already.

Future is bright for philly.



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Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #466 on: November 17, 2016, 09:08:56 PM »

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I would rather have Kentucky's guards (De'Aaron Fox and Malik Monk) than Philly's (I'd have to look their names up because apparently they are invisible on TV).
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Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #467 on: November 17, 2016, 09:09:24 PM »

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Celticsblog forum has become the LarBrd33 "I'm always right and lets all ballwash Joel Embiid" forum.
I've been trying to get the mods to accept that re-branding for months and it's fallen on deaf ears.

Charles Barkley just compared Embiid/Simmons to Durant/Westbrook in terms of having two superstars.  He says if they stay healthy, they can be transformational players.

10 years of six posts a day worth of condescending tripe...I'm surprised the philly board hasn't made you a mod already.

I really don't care what Barkley thinks.
Please do not disparage my home dingers.

What Barkley says is true, though.  These two teams right now (Philly and the Timberwolves) have two of the most exciting young collections of talent in the league.  5-10 years from now we might be seeing these teams in the Finals against each other.

Then again, Embiid might be hurt again.  So who knows.

I'd be surprised if both Wiggins and Towns stay long term in Minnesota.

Re: Philly, I have no idea. They are such an embarrassment to the NBA and their fans that I could see Ben Simmons wanting to bounce right after his rookie deal to head to one of the major target cities that has a winning team. I hope Embiid stays healthy and stays in Philly, they need something to go right. Okafor and Noel will both test the market, and I don't see either staying. Maybe Saric stays?
None of those rookies are leaving unless the TWolves and Sixers want them to.  Wiggins and Embiid will both probably sign long term extensions this offseason.   The new CBA will probably make it even easier for teams to keep their players. 

Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #468 on: November 17, 2016, 09:17:50 PM »

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Celticsblog forum has become the LarBrd33 "I'm always right and lets all ballwash Joel Embiid" forum.
I've been trying to get the mods to accept that re-branding for months and it's fallen on deaf ears.

Charles Barkley just compared Embiid/Simmons to Durant/Westbrook in terms of having two superstars.  He says if they stay healthy, they can be transformational players.

10 years of six posts a day worth of condescending tripe...I'm surprised the philly board hasn't made you a mod already.

I really don't care what Barkley thinks.
Please do not disparage my home dingers.

What Barkley says is true, though.  These two teams right now (Philly and the Timberwolves) have two of the most exciting young collections of talent in the league.  5-10 years from now we might be seeing these teams in the Finals against each other.

Then again, Embiid might be hurt again.  So who knows.

I'd be surprised if both Wiggins and Towns stay long term in Minnesota.

Re: Philly, I have no idea. They are such an embarrassment to the NBA and their fans that I could see Ben Simmons wanting to bounce right after his rookie deal to head to one of the major target cities that has a winning team. I hope Embiid stays healthy and stays in Philly, they need something to go right. Okafor and Noel will both test the market, and I don't see either staying. Maybe Saric stays?

Wolves should be far better this season than their record currently reflects.

As for Philly, they should make a massive leap in the next few years.  If they get fully healthy, they could threaten for the playoffs next year.

Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #469 on: November 17, 2016, 09:30:48 PM »

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Celticsblog forum has become the LarBrd33 "I'm always right and lets all ballwash Joel Embiid" forum.
I've been trying to get the mods to accept that re-branding for months and it's fallen on deaf ears.

Charles Barkley just compared Embiid/Simmons to Durant/Westbrook in terms of having two superstars.  He says if they stay healthy, they can be transformational players.

10 years of six posts a day worth of condescending tripe...I'm surprised the philly board hasn't made you a mod already.

I really don't care what Barkley thinks.
Please do not disparage my home dingers.

What Barkley says is true, though.  These two teams right now (Philly and the Timberwolves) have two of the most exciting young collections of talent in the league.  5-10 years from now we might be seeing these teams in the Finals against each other.

Then again, Embiid might be hurt again.  So who knows.

I'd be surprised if both Wiggins and Towns stay long term in Minnesota.

Re: Philly, I have no idea. They are such an embarrassment to the NBA and their fans that I could see Ben Simmons wanting to bounce right after his rookie deal to head to one of the major target cities that has a winning team. I hope Embiid stays healthy and stays in Philly, they need something to go right. Okafor and Noel will both test the market, and I don't see either staying. Maybe Saric stays?
None of those rookies are leaving unless the TWolves and Sixers want them to.  Wiggins and Embiid will both probably sign long term extensions this offseason.   The new CBA will probably make it even easier for teams to keep their players.

Is that true? I don't know much about the CBA.

Why wouldn't one of the bigs in Philly want to go elsewhere? I would think that Minnesota and Philly are not the first or second most popular teams for NBA stars.

Simmons in particular must have felt like his hands were tied with the LSU decision, and then couldn't have been too excited to get drafted by Philly. On a player's second deal, are the salary differences that much different that Simmons wouldn't think about going to LA (not even considering the difference in marketing opportunities)? He hired Lebron's agent Rich Paul, who has effectively worked shorter term contracts for his client.

With salaries going up across the league, wouldn't all teams have more money to spend in FA? I would think Simmons would be better off to test the market and listen to what teams want to pitch him.
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Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #470 on: November 17, 2016, 10:31:09 PM »

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Greg Monroe had a healthy DNP tonight.

Hmmmmmmm.....

Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #471 on: November 17, 2016, 10:57:13 PM »

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Greg Monroe had a healthy DNP tonight.

Hmmmmmmm.....

Interesting. Is Kidd sending a message or are they lining up a trade?


...Towns v Embiid had a couple of fun moments but was mostly a dud. Hope Embiid's foot/ankle is ok, the two of them need to have some high-quality battles down the line.

Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #472 on: November 17, 2016, 11:20:51 PM »

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Greg Monroe had a healthy DNP tonight.

Hmmmmmmm.....
Hmmmm indeed. I don't know if I would like to trade for him, but it's certainly interesting to see. Is he playing bad this season? Or is it just that Kidd is dedicated to the youth movement?
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #473 on: November 17, 2016, 11:23:51 PM »

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Greg Monroe had a healthy DNP tonight.

Hmmmmmmm.....

Interesting. Is Kidd sending a message or are they lining up a trade?


Either way, it doesn't look like things are too peachy between the Bucks and Monroe at the moment.

Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #474 on: November 17, 2016, 11:38:20 PM »

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Starting to look like Andrew Wiggins has made his inevitable leap.  His last 6 games he's averaged 33 points, 5.3 rebounds, 3.5 assists with 51% shooting, 53% from three.... he's 21 years old. 

For reference, Kobe didn't really become Kobe until his 5th year at the age of 22. 

If you didn't buy stock in the Wolves when they started 1-5, you should have.   My gut tells me if you can still short the Lakers and go all-in on Minnesota, you should.  Can't totally count out Randle and Russell, but it doesn't make sense that the Lakers are 7-5 while the Wolves are 4-7.  I'd be really surprised if Sota didn't leapfrog them at some point this season.
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Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #475 on: November 17, 2016, 11:46:51 PM »

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Celticsblog forum has become the LarBrd33 "I'm always right and lets all ballwash Joel Embiid" forum.
I've been trying to get the mods to accept that re-branding for months and it's fallen on deaf ears.

Charles Barkley just compared Embiid/Simmons to Durant/Westbrook in terms of having two superstars.  He says if they stay healthy, they can be transformational players.

10 years of six posts a day worth of condescending tripe...I'm surprised the philly board hasn't made you a mod already.

I really don't care what Barkley thinks.
Please do not disparage my home dingers.

What Barkley says is true, though.  These two teams right now (Philly and the Timberwolves) have two of the most exciting young collections of talent in the league.  5-10 years from now we might be seeing these teams in the Finals against each other.

Then again, Embiid might be hurt again.  So who knows.

I'd be surprised if both Wiggins and Towns stay long term in Minnesota.

Re: Philly, I have no idea. They are such an embarrassment to the NBA and their fans that I could see Ben Simmons wanting to bounce right after his rookie deal to head to one of the major target cities that has a winning team. I hope Embiid stays healthy and stays in Philly, they need something to go right. Okafor and Noel will both test the market, and I don't see either staying. Maybe Saric stays?
None of those rookies are leaving unless the TWolves and Sixers want them to.  Wiggins and Embiid will both probably sign long term extensions this offseason.   The new CBA will probably make it even easier for teams to keep their players.

Is that true? I don't know much about the CBA.

Why wouldn't one of the bigs in Philly want to go elsewhere? I would think that Minnesota and Philly are not the first or second most popular teams for NBA stars.

Simmons in particular must have felt like his hands were tied with the LSU decision, and then couldn't have been too excited to get drafted by Philly. On a player's second deal, are the salary differences that much different that Simmons wouldn't think about going to LA (not even considering the difference in marketing opportunities)? He hired Lebron's agent Rich Paul, who has effectively worked shorter term contracts for his client.

With salaries going up across the league, wouldn't all teams have more money to spend in FA? I would think Simmons would be better off to test the market and listen to what teams want to pitch him.

http://www.nba.com/knicks/freeagency/faqs.html

After their rookie contracts expire, first-round picks become restricted free agents. So long as their original team extends a relatively small one-year "qualifying offer" contract (125% of the last year's salary under the rookie deal), they are allowed to match any larger contract by an opposing team. So if the Sixers offer Embiid the qualifying offer, he could meet with the Celtics, and Danny could sign him to the max; however, Philly retains the right to overrule us and resign him if they match that max offer.

Basically the only way to circumvent this system is if either the original team does NOT offer the qualifying offer, or if the player accepts the tiny 1-year deal, taking a big hit on salary and security for a year because they just really want to leave, or are betting on themselves getting a better deal with an extra year's experience under their belt. Greg Monroe jumped ship when he took the QO with Detroit, then bolted for Milwaukee the next year.

Hard to see Simmons or Embiid rejecting a huge deal because of the uncertainty of their health; but you never know, as the situation is Philly is indeed pretty toxic, there isn't much leadership on that club.

Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #476 on: November 17, 2016, 11:51:35 PM »

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Evan Turner has been one of the worst players in the NBA this season. Not surprised people are already calling it arguably the worst deal of last summer.

He should write Brad a stipend for the rest of his life. Those two seasons here have set him for life.

Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #477 on: November 17, 2016, 11:53:16 PM »

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Evan Turner has been one of the worst players in the NBA this season. Not surprised people are already calling it arguably the worst deal of last summer.

He should write Brad a stipend for the rest of his life. Those two seasons here have set him for life.

it's a bad stat, but i read something that he had the worst +/- of anyone in the NBA a few days ago? [dang]. i'd love to have him back - just not at his insane price.
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #478 on: November 17, 2016, 11:53:22 PM »

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Greg Monroe had a healthy DNP tonight.

Hmmmmmmm.....
Hmmmm indeed. I don't know if I would like to trade for him, but it's certainly interesting to see. Is he playing bad this season? Or is it just that Kidd is dedicated to the youth movement?

I think its more that the Bucks realize they need to play bigs that are better defensively like John Henson, can run the floor like Miles Plumlee, or stretch the floor like Mirza Teletovic. I'm also pretty sure they're hoping someday Thon Maker will be able to do all three of those things. Those guys help the team more than Monroe's style of play.

I for one would like Monroe but only if all other options have failed, the Celtics haven't solved their rebounding woes, and if he agrees to opt out this summer.

Re: NBA Season 2016-2017
« Reply #479 on: November 17, 2016, 11:58:37 PM »

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Greg Monroe had a healthy DNP tonight.

Hmmmmmmm.....
Hmmmm indeed. I don't know if I would like to trade for him, but it's certainly interesting to see. Is he playing bad this season? Or is it just that Kidd is dedicated to the youth movement?

I think its more that the Bucks realize they need to play bigs that are better defensively like John Henson, can run the floor like Miles Plumlee, or stretch the floor like Mirza Teletovic. I'm also pretty sure they're hoping someday Thon Maker will be able to do all three of those things. Those guys help the team more than Monroe's style of play.

I for one would like Monroe but only if all other options have failed, the Celtics haven't solved their rebounding woes, and if he agrees to opt out this summer.

would you resign him this summer? i'm personally kinda "meh" on his game, but i'm willing to be persuaded one way or another.
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

you vs. the guy she tells you not to worry about