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[Celtics4ever]

and where has ainge bombed so dramatically in the drafting of "bigs"? if you wish to make a sweeping assertion, it would be best to support it please.

 Fab Melo  is  proof enough.   Some of the other bigs he picked had major flaws like Sullinger.   Guys generally know the position they played the best.   Ainge was not a big man.  He knows this and sticks to guys who handle the ball.

[jambr380]

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Will Rozier finally put to bed the Danny is a bad drafter rhetoric?

I think most of us agree he can draft guards, the position he played.    Bigs is where I doubt him most in drafting ability.

This seems a little simplistic. Yes, Ainge has a propensity for drafting guards, but they are almost always super-athletic, long, and not the very best of shooters (Rondo, Bradley, Smart, Rozier, etc) - not exactly the type of guard Danny was. If Danny only knew how draft Danny-like players, I guess we would have drafted Stauskas over Smart and Dekker over Rozier. I guess he did draft RJ.

He clearly likes the idea of a homerun over a single (minus the KO pick) and long, athletic players at least have that potential.

[alldaboston]

and where has ainge bombed so dramatically in the drafting of "bigs"? if you wish to make a sweeping assertion, it would be best to support it please.

 Fab Melo  is  proof enough.   Some of the other bigs he picked had major flaws like Sullinger.   Guys generally know the position they played the best.   Ainge was not a big man.  He knows this and sticks to guys who handle the ball.

Sully was a universal top 5-10 pick in both his freshman and sophomore years. you cannot blame danny at all for taking him at 21 or wherever he was picked. talent wise, he was seen to be elite for his class at the time. the reason he slid was his back (which he did eventually need surgery for, but has not has any issues with since then). You can't blame Danny for taking Sully at all. It's on Sully to work on himself and his weight. Not Danny's fault at all.

[PickNRoll]

Rozier is good.  Danny is good.  There is a decent likelihood that Rozier was the best player available at 16.  Making the perfect pick is extremely hard, as history has taught us.  Danny went against the grain and appears to be correct.

[SHAQATTACK]

I don't blame DA for Sully . It was a decent gamble .  He played some good ball at times. The skills were there.

Fab Melo was the biggest bust I've seen selected by Celtics I can remember .  Worse than JJJ .

DA is a better wheeler and dealer ,  than a picker of raw talent .   Let the other teams find the talent and Danny can steal their players ....

Like is eventually gonna happen when we get Boogie .   

It's just a matter of time.

[PickNRoll]

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Will Rozier finally put to bed the Danny is a bad drafter rhetoric?

I think most of us agree he can draft guards, the position he played.    Bigs is where I doubt him most in drafting ability.

This seems a little simplistic. Yes, Ainge has a propensity for drafting guards, but they are almost always super-athletic, long, and not the very best of shooters (Rondo, Bradley, Smart, Rozier, etc) - not exactly the type of guard Danny was. If Danny only knew how draft Danny-like players, I guess we would have drafted Stauskas over Smart and Dekker over Rozier. I guess he did draft RJ.

He clearly likes the idea of a homerun over a single (minus the KO pick) and long, athletic players at least have that potential.

I feel like this is a common misconception about Ainge.  He was a phenomenal athlete for the time.  A 2 sport draftee.  Fast, quick, deadeye shooter and nearly ambidextrous at 6'5".  Very unique athletically.  Times have changed a bit.  We expect every 6'5" kid to do these things now, but that wasn't the case 30 years ago.

[aingeforthree]

I don't blame DA for Sully . It was a decent gamble .  He played some good ball at times. The skills were there.

Fab Melo was the biggest bust I've seen selected by Celtics I can remember .  Worse than JJJ .

DA is a better wheeler and dealer ,  than a picker of raw talent .   Let the other teams find the talent and Danny can steal their players ....

Like is eventually gonna happen when we get Boogie .   

It's just a matter of time.

Adding raw talent like Jefferson, Perkins, & Tony Allen (no pick higher than 15 I might add) was pretty darn good. He had more gems like this too.

[saltlover]

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Will Rozier finally put to bed the Danny is a bad drafter rhetoric?

I think most of us agree he can draft guards, the position he played.    Bigs is where I doubt him most in drafting ability.

This seems a little simplistic. Yes, Ainge has a propensity for drafting guards, but they are almost always super-athletic, long, and not the very best of shooters (Rondo, Bradley, Smart, Rozier, etc) - not exactly the type of guard Danny was. If Danny only knew how draft Danny-like players, I guess we would have drafted Stauskas over Smart and Dekker over Rozier. I guess he did draft RJ.

He clearly likes the idea of a homerun over a single (minus the KO pick) and long, athletic players at least have that potential.

You're missing out on the type of player Danny saw himself as.  He was (and is) hypercompetitive.  That's the type of guard he's picked in Rondo, Smart, Bradley, Rozier, etc.  When he's strayed away from that type of player is when he's tended to miss more.  You see that problem with bigs because it's more difficult to find an energy big.  They exist (hello KG), but big guys tend to be more prone to injury, and thus less likely to be the type to dive on the floor whenever necessary.

Bigs are also just more prone to variability, so you're going to have a lot of missed from that position group.

[PickNRoll]

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Will Rozier finally put to bed the Danny is a bad drafter rhetoric?

I think most of us agree he can draft guards, the position he played.    Bigs is where I doubt him most in drafting ability.

This seems a little simplistic. Yes, Ainge has a propensity for drafting guards, but they are almost always super-athletic, long, and not the very best of shooters (Rondo, Bradley, Smart, Rozier, etc) - not exactly the type of guard Danny was. If Danny only knew how draft Danny-like players, I guess we would have drafted Stauskas over Smart and Dekker over Rozier. I guess he did draft RJ.

He clearly likes the idea of a homerun over a single (minus the KO pick) and long, athletic players at least have that potential.

You're missing out on the type of player Danny saw himself as.  He was (and is) hypercompetitive.  That's the type of guard he's picked in Rondo, Smart, Bradley, Rozier, etc.  When he's strayed away from that type of player is when he's tended to miss more.  You see that problem with bigs because it's more difficult to find an energy big.  They exist (hello KG), but big guys tend to be more prone to injury, and thus less likely to be the type to dive on the floor whenever necessary.

Bigs are also just more prone to variability, so you're going to have a lot of missed from that position group.

Nailed it.  Danny is Type A and he understands that those guys tend to rise to the top.  He has a brain doctor for this reason.  It's the difference between Jaylen Brown and Jeff Green, near as I can tell after 1 preseason.

[kraidstar]

I don't blame DA for Sully . It was a decent gamble .  He played some good ball at times. The skills were there.

Fab Melo was the biggest bust I've seen selected by Celtics I can remember .  Worse than JJJ .

DA is a better wheeler and dealer ,  than a picker of raw talent .   Let the other teams find the talent and Danny can steal their players ....

Like is eventually gonna happen when we get Boogie .   

It's just a matter of time.

Adding raw talent like Jefferson, Perkins, & Tony Allen (no pick higher than 15 I might add) was pretty darn good. He had more gems like this too.

Yep.

I'd argue Sully (#21), KO (#13), Powe (#49), Glenn Davis (#35), and even Semih Erden (#60) all outperformed their draft position. Ainge has been fine, he just hasn't had any high picks with good bigs available.

BTW I also expect Zizic (#23) and Mickey (#33) to outperform their draft position. Yabs (#16) I'm not sure about yet until I see him adapt better to the speed of the NBA game, but he looks like he has potential.

Most late first-rounders amount to little if anything. Most second-rounders are flat-out busts. Ainge has done pretty well.

[kraidstar]

I don't blame DA for Sully . It was a decent gamble .  He played some good ball at times. The skills were there.

Fab Melo was the biggest bust I've seen selected by Celtics I can remember .  Worse than JJJ .

DA is a better wheeler and dealer ,  than a picker of raw talent .   Let the other teams find the talent and Danny can steal their players ....

Like is eventually gonna happen when we get Boogie .   

It's just a matter of time.

Adding raw talent like Jefferson, Perkins, & Tony Allen (no pick higher than 15 I might add) was pretty darn good. He had more gems like this too.

Yep.

I'd argue Sully (#21), KO (#13), Powe (#49), Glenn Davis (#35), and even Semih Erden (#60) all outperformed their draft position. Ainge has been fine, he just hasn't had any high picks with good bigs available.

BTW I also expect Zizic (#23) and Mickey (#33) to outperform their draft position. Yabs (#16) I'm not sure about yet until I see him adapt better to the speed of the NBA game, but he looks like he has potential.

Most late first-rounders amount to little if anything. Most second-rounders are flat-out busts. Ainge has done pretty well.

To add to my earlier post, there haven't been too many big men busts under Ainge. Obviously Fab (#22), JJJ (#27), Luke Harangody at (#52), Colton Iverson (#53). Ben Bentil (#51) looks one-dimensional so far.

Hard to get too angry about Iverson, Harangody, and possibly Bentil, as they were picked so late, and hardly anyone in the 50's amounts to anything.

I forgot Abdel Nader (#58), who is a SF but will likely play some PF as well, he looks promising. Am i missing anyone?

[dreamgreen]

Getting back on track. 

I expect Smart to get all the minutes Turner got last year and Rozier to get the minutes Smart got. If Rozier continues to score well and can do it at the end of games CBS will have some decisions.

[trickybilly]

I don't blame DA for Sully . It was a decent gamble .  He played some good ball at times. The skills were there.

Fab Melo was the biggest bust I've seen selected by Celtics I can remember .  Worse than JJJ .

DA is a better wheeler and dealer ,  than a picker of raw talent .   Let the other teams find the talent and Danny can steal their players ....

Like is eventually gonna happen when we get Boogie .   

It's just a matter of time.

Adding raw talent like Jefferson, Perkins, & Tony Allen (no pick higher than 15 I might add) was pretty darn good. He had more gems like this too.

Yep.

I'd argue Sully (#21), KO (#13), Powe (#49), Glenn Davis (#35), and even Semih Erden (#60) all outperformed their draft position. Ainge has been fine, he just hasn't had any high picks with good bigs available.

BTW I also expect Zizic (#23) and Mickey (#33) to outperform their draft position. Yabs (#16) I'm not sure about yet until I see him adapt better to the speed of the NBA game, but he looks like he has potential.

Most late first-rounders amount to little if anything. Most second-rounders are flat-out busts. Ainge has done pretty well.

To add to my earlier post, there haven't been too many big men busts under Ainge. Obviously Fab (#22), JJJ (#27), Luke Harangody at (#52), Colton Iverson (#53). Ben Bentil (#51) looks one-dimensional so far.

Hard to get too angry about Iverson, Harangody, and possibly Bentil, as they were picked so late, and hardly anyone in the 50's amounts to anything.

I forgot Abdel Nader (#58), who is a SF but will likely play some PF as well, he looks promising. Am i missing anyone?

Beat me to it, see my new thread to argue about this. You forgot JaJuan as a big miss, but Harangody, Erden were later included in a trade, including Iverson all are (late) second rounders. It's really only JaJuan and Melo that have been utter failures. In 13 years, that's pretty good

[jambr380]

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Will Rozier finally put to bed the Danny is a bad drafter rhetoric?

I think most of us agree he can draft guards, the position he played.    Bigs is where I doubt him most in drafting ability.

This seems a little simplistic. Yes, Ainge has a propensity for drafting guards, but they are almost always super-athletic, long, and not the very best of shooters (Rondo, Bradley, Smart, Rozier, etc) - not exactly the type of guard Danny was. If Danny only knew how draft Danny-like players, I guess we would have drafted Stauskas over Smart and Dekker over Rozier. I guess he did draft RJ.

He clearly likes the idea of a homerun over a single (minus the KO pick) and long, athletic players at least have that potential.

You're missing out on the type of player Danny saw himself as.  He was (and is) hypercompetitive.  That's the type of guard he's picked in Rondo, Smart, Bradley, Rozier, etc.  When he's strayed away from that type of player is when he's tended to miss more.  You see that problem with bigs because it's more difficult to find an energy big.  They exist (hello KG), but big guys tend to be more prone to injury, and thus less likely to be the type to dive on the floor whenever necessary.

Bigs are also just more prone to variability, so you're going to have a lot of missed from that position group.

Oh, totally - I was just responding to the notion that Danny can only draft guards because he played that position. While Danny was super-competitive and was a supreme athlete in terms of ability, he did lack in some of the qualities that the types of players he has chosen have. You are certainly correct that he does well selecting highly competitive players at the guard position, while it is more of a mixed bag with bigs. Deandre, for instance, seemed like a big miss and what should have been an easy selection based on his player type preference. Overall, Danny has done a great job and I basically couldn't be happier with his gm performance.

[moiso]

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Will Rozier finally put to bed the Danny is a bad drafter rhetoric?

I think most of us agree he can draft guards, the position he played.    Bigs is where I doubt him most in drafting ability.

This seems a little simplistic. Yes, Ainge has a propensity for drafting guards, but they are almost always super-athletic, long, and not the very best of shooters (Rondo, Bradley, Smart, Rozier, etc) - not exactly the type of guard Danny was. If Danny only knew how draft Danny-like players, I guess we would have drafted Stauskas over Smart and Dekker over Rozier. I guess he did draft RJ.

He clearly likes the idea of a homerun over a single (minus the KO pick) and long, athletic players at least have that potential.

I feel like this is a common misconception about Ainge.  He was a phenomenal athlete for the time.  A 2 sport draftee.  Fast, quick, deadeye shooter and nearly ambidextrous at 6'5".  Very unique athletically.  Times have changed a bit.  We expect every 6'5" kid to do these things now, but that wasn't the case 30 years ago.

TP, I was going to make a similar post then I noticed yours.  Even when Ainge was at the end of his career he'd surprise me and dunk in traffic from pretty far out in transition.

The RJ comparison is nuts.  RJ is a stiff compared to Ainge.