Rozier ruling

[walker834]

Did anyone catch that last night?  Is there some new rule where he wasn't allowed to return?

[JaylenBrown7]

The ruling was he had to get seven stitches

[walker834]

Scal and Gorman were texting the league office about something though wondering if because there was blood and because it was a flagrant whether Rozier would even be abllowed to return.  I think they were confused and it was more the other guy who should have been ejected. 

Woudn't surprise me if it was Roger Goodell running the league office but the NBA?

That would be terrible if that were the case is all.  I think they were just confused.

[alldaboston]

Did anyone catch that last night?  Is there some new rule where he wasn't allowed to return?

i read that since he didnt shoot the flagrant free throws he couldnt return. RJ shot them instead

[walker834]

Did anyone catch that last night?  Is there some new rule where he wasn't allowed to return?

i read that since he didnt shoot the flagrant free throws he couldnt return. RJ shot them instead

This has always been the case hasn't it?  Or new?  With blood and everything and where players have to leave the court when there is blood that's pretty lame. I was thinking maybe because it was preseason and they were testing a new rule or something.

Doesn't this give ****s an advantage where they can take players out? And a player can't return even if he can?

Or can Rozier have the blood removed shoot the free throws then go to the lockerroom?

If that's a playoff game that would p--- me off.

[TA9]

I posted this in the game thread yesterday:

Rozier wouldn't have been able to re-enter the game cf. NBA Rule Book, Rule no. 9, Section II, a(2):

Section II—Shooting of Free Throw
a. The free throw(s) awarded because of a personal foul shall be attempted by the offended player.
EXCEPTIONS:
(2) If the offended player is injured and unable to attempt the awarded free throw(s) as a result of a flagrant foul-penalty (1), his coach may designate any player in the game at that time to attempt the free throw(s). The injured player will not be permitted to re-enter the game.

Note that the above-mentioned is only applicable if the foul is deemed a flagrant one. Rozier would have been able to re-enter had the foul been a flagrant two.

Likewise, Rozier would have been able to re-enter if the foul was deemed unsportsmanlike cf. exception 3:

(3) If the offended player is injured and unable to attempt the awarded free throw(s) due to any unsportsmanlike act, his coach may designate any eligible member of the squad to attempt the free throw(s). The injured player will be permitted to reenter the game.

[walker834]

That's an absurd rule so basically the officials can make the call whether a player can return or not and decide games.

What is the rule on blood?  Don't you have to leave the court?

[TA9]

That's an absurd rule so basically the officials can make the call whether a player can return or not and decide games.

What is the rule on blood?  Don't you have to leave the court?

With regard to bleeding cf. NBA Rule Book, Basic Guidelines, II. Basic Principles, N. Guidelines for Infection Control:

If a player suffers a laceration or a wound where bleeding occurs or if blood is visible
on a player or his uniform, the officials shall suspend the game at the earliest appropriate
time and allow a maximum of 30 seconds for treatment. After that time, the head coach shall
be informed that he has the option to substitute for the player, call a regular timeout or a 20-
second timeout. If a substitute replaces the player, the opposing team shall be allowed to
substitute one player.

Therefore, it is possible to call a 20 second timeout in order to take care of the bleeding. But obviously, they couldn't have dealt with Rozier's injury in that period of time.

[walker834]

Ok cool.  It's fine then.  IT was probably because it was preseason and there was no clarification on whether unsportsmanlike was called.

Still if it's something more severe.  A guy basically has to carry himself to the free throw line and shoot in the playoffs.

I think it's always been that way but questionable whether officials call unsportsmanlike on dirty plays.

 I like to think the C's have heart and would want to return and tough out things. If the officials can rule out key players on dirty plays that's pretty lame.

My trust in officials should be better but it isn't. I'm sure there are good officials out there but there are also some bad ones and the proof is in the pudding.

[TA9]

Ok cool.  It's fine then.  IT was probably because it was preseason and there was no clarification on whether unsportsmanlike was called.

Still if it's something more severe.  A guy basically has to carry himself to the free throw line and shoot in the playoffs.

I think it's always been that way but questionable whether officials call unsportsmanlike on dirty plays.

I don't think a referee would ever deem Wood's foul unsportsmanlike. The definition hereof is:

To be unsportsmanlike is to act in a manner unbecoming to the image of professional basketball. It consists of acts of deceit, disrespect of officials and profanity.

Wood basically elbowed Rozier in the face, wherefore the foul could either be assessed as a flagrant one or two:

Flagrant one:
If contact committed against a player, with or without the ball, is interpreted to be unnecessary, a flagrant foul—penalty (1) will be assessed.

Flagrant two:
If contact committed against a player, with or without the ball, is interpreted to be
unnecessary and excessive, a flagrant foul—penalty (2) will be assessed.

The referees probably interpreted the foul as only being unnecessary, hence a flagrant one was assessed. Therefore, Rozier couldn't re-enter.

Personally, I think that the NBA should reconsider the rule because (as you point out) it's kind of silly that a severely injured or bleeding player has to take the free throws in order to re-enter later on.

[dreamgreen]

It's an awful rule, not sure who comes up with terrible rules but they should be banned from it.

[Csfan1984]

They should have suspended the free throws till his return after the stitches. Does it really matter when they are taken?

[TA9]

They should have suspended the free throws till his return after the stitches. Does it really matter when they are taken?

Although it's unlikely, imagine a player returning to a tied game 30 seconds before the end. Such rules could entice teams to keep a player out for a longer period of time in order to save the free throws until they become beneficial.

[walker834]

Do you have faith in the league office that they will fix it though or make it worse? I agree with what dreamgreen said but that's the problem is the people in charge of fixing this stuff would probably make it worse. At least that's what my gut says which is telling.