Are you more excited about seeing Brown than you were about seeing Marcus...

[Celtics18]

Don't go chasing waterfalls.  Stick to the rivers and the lakes that you're used to.

[Snakehead]

Don't go chasing waterfalls.  Stick to the rivers and the lakes that you're used to.

 But I think you're moving too fast!

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[PhoSita]

Brown has a lot more natural talent than Smart, so I think his ceiling is much higher.

He doesn't fill an obvious role on this Celts team right away due to his lack of polish in basically every facet of the game.  I don't expect that he'll actually get much playing time, as a result.

[ThePaintedArea]

Brown has a lot more natural talent than Smart, so I think his ceiling is much higher.

He doesn't fill an obvious role on this Celts team right away due to his lack of polish in basically every facet of the game.  I don't expect that he'll actually get much playing time, as a result.

Basically agree, though I think that regular minutes are a given - the potential is too good.  1,000 for the season, I'm guessing? 1,200 would be Gordon Hayward territory (without meaning to compare how good they are).

He's going to surprise people.

[Snakehead]

I think Brown is a lock to play 10-15 minutes a game.  Who else is playing SF and defending SFs?  I don't think a lot of people that say he won't play are considering that.  Turner obviously was important on offense but I think a lot of people overlook that he was asked to fill that guard SFs role a lot and did it well.

I suppose you could say Green but I am not buying him.  He just wasn't good enough last year.  I think the Celtics will want to develop Jaylen by playing him and he will earn that many minutes with his athleticism and defense.  He may also be a pretty strong rebounder for a SF.

[dannyboy35]

I think Brown is a lock to play 10-15 minutes a game.  Who else is playing SF and defending SFs?  I don't think a lot of people that say he won't play are considering that.  Turner obviously was important on offense but I think a lot of people overlook that he was asked to fill that guard SFs role a lot and did it well.

I suppose you could say Green but I am not buying him.  He just wasn't good enough last year.  I think the Celtics will want to develop Jaylen by playing him and he will earn that many minutes with his athleticism and defense.  He may also be a pretty strong rebounder for a SF.

I don't trust Stevens to put brown over Green.

[Snakehead]

I think Brown is a lock to play 10-15 minutes a game.  Who else is playing SF and defending SFs?  I don't think a lot of people that say he won't play are considering that.  Turner obviously was important on offense but I think a lot of people overlook that he was asked to fill that guard SFs role a lot and did it well.

I suppose you could say Green but I am not buying him.  He just wasn't good enough last year.  I think the Celtics will want to develop Jaylen by playing him and he will earn that many minutes with his athleticism and defense.  He may also be a pretty strong rebounder for a SF.

I don't trust Stevens to put brown over Green.

Hopefully you're wrong but either way, I really will be shocked if Brown doesn't at least get 10 mpg.  You don't draft a guy 3 and not play him at the least that much.

[celticsclay]

People do realize that brown was seen as a better prospect coming out of high school than smart right?

[LarBrd33]

People do realize that brown was seen as a better prospect coming out of high school than smart right?

Weren't they both 5 star recruits?  Who was seen as a better prospect coming out of Middle School? 

Interesting that Shabazz Muhammad was considered the top prospect in his recruiting class and ended up being drafted 14th in the weak 2013 draft after 1 season of College ball.   

Shame high school credentials aren't really relevant to this discussion.

[celticsclay]

People do realize that brown was seen as a better prospect coming out of high school than smart right?

Weren't they both 5 star recruits?  Who was seen as a better prospect coming out of Middle School? 

Interesting that Shabazz Muhammad was considered the top prospect in his recruiting class and ended up being drafted 14th in the weak 2013 draft after 1 season of College ball.   

Shame high school credentials aren't really relevant to this discussion.

larbrd you are gonna be in a small minority of you think that brown being ranked very highly literally one year ago is completely irrelevant. We can debate how much it means, however in pretty much any sport how a prospect is viewed is not completely dismissed after one season. If a baseball player is drafted in the second round and struggles in his first season in the minors he isn't all of a sudden worthless from one year. The organization is going to give him a few years to live up to his talent. Same thing is true in football. If a freshman is a 5 star recruit and struggles his first season he is going to still get an extra look his sophomore season because he has some attributes that made him a high recruit. The fact that brown was the 2nd-4th ranked high school player and then was drafted 3rd also shows people see this same promise.
To get back to your originally question recruits are given a number because obviously just have 5 and 4 stars would not be enough of a distinction. Everything I looked up had brown 3-4 points higher eg 96 versus 92 (I don't have these numbers handy at moment).

[Snakehead]

Highschool rankings are still relevant, especially after one college year with a questionable system and a good if not great performance.  Ask Avery Bradley.

Not that it's what you hang your hat on, but it is relevant.  The Cal fit was not good for Jaylen.  No spacing.

[celticsclay]

Highschool rankings are still relevant, especially after one college year with a questionable system and a good if not great performance.  Ask Avery Bradley.

Not that it's what you hang your hat on, but it is relevant.  The Cal fit was not good for Jaylen.  No spacing.

Thank you.. I agree 100% the fact that you would just dismiss a guy being rated by scouts all over the country after one year of coaching in a bad system under a questionable coach is kind of ludicrous.

Look no further than last year's draft for a prime example of this. Myles Turner was rated a 97 and number 2 in his class by some major ranking sites (including ESPN). He had a pretty meh freshman season in large part because the Texas coach is notorious for getting awesome recruits and than not maximizing them (only averaged 10pt and 6.5 boards and staying on the court for 22 minutes). A year later he is drafted lottery, but a bit lower than he would have been because of his struggles. Now he looks like he may very well be a top 3 player from that draft class after a very impressive rookie year.

On the flip side, last year Skal Labassiere and Check Diallo did not live up to their rankings.

Look I get that both the NBA and College is littered with highly ranked prospects that never panned out and guys that went undrafted or were terribly ranked that really excelled. That being said these rankings do have value or it wouldn't be a billion dollar industry and dismissing them completely after a year is shortsighted and kind of silly.

[LarBrd33]

People do realize that brown was seen as a better prospect coming out of high school than smart right?

Weren't they both 5 star recruits?  Who was seen as a better prospect coming out of Middle School? 

Interesting that Shabazz Muhammad was considered the top prospect in his recruiting class and ended up being drafted 14th in the weak 2013 draft after 1 season of College ball.   

Shame high school credentials aren't really relevant to this discussion.

larbrd you are gonna be in a small minority of you think that brown being ranked very highly literally one year ago is completely irrelevant.

To this discussion?  Yes... entirely irrelevant.

Shabazz Muhammad was the #1 ranked recruit in his high school class literally 1 year before being drafted 14th in the NBA draft.

How people felt about Shabazz in 2012 has no bearing on a discussion about how people felt about Shabazz in 2013.  It has no bearing on a discussion about how people feel about Shabazz right now in 2016.   You keep missing the entire point of this thread.  It's literally asking you to remember how you felt about two specific players at two specific points in time.  Are you incapable of doing that, clay?

[LarBrd33]

Highschool rankings are still relevant, especially after one college year with a questionable system and a good if not great performance.  Ask Avery Bradley.

They are relevant to a specific discussion, but not this one.

AUstin Rivers being the #1 ranked recruit in the 2011 recruiting class (ahead of Anthony Davis) would be relevant to a discussion about how you felt about Davis in 2011 vs Rivers in 2011 when both were coming out of high school.

But if we're asking how you felt about Rivers in 2012 (in which Rivers was drafted 10th) vs Davis in 2012 (in which he was drafted 1st) after a Freshman college season, it's pretty freakin irrelevant how you felt about them as high schoolers.

Karl Towns was the #5 recruit in his high school class behind Okafor, Mudiay, Stanley Johnson and Cliff Alexander.

Cliff Alexander didn't even get drafted in 2015.

With celticsclay's intentionally ridiculous logic, we'd say that Cliff Alexander being higher on the recruiting charts in 2014 coming out of high school proves that he was seen as a better prospect in 2015 coming out of College than Marcus Smart was seen in 2014 coming out of College.    That's pretty silly and makes zero sense.  How people felt about Cliff coming out of high school has nothing to do with how people felt about Cliff coming out of College.

[MJohnnyboy]

I'm excited about Brown about as much as I was for Smart when he was drafted. However, unlike with Smart back in 2014, I don't expect Brown to make much of an impact on the team his rookie year, but that's not on him. That's more on the fact that the team's dynamic has changed drastically in the two years between when Smart was drafted and when Brown was drafted. Still though, I'm really excited to see what Brown is made of and I'm still excited to see what Smart is made of.

Smart should have a bigger role now that Turner is gone so we should finally get to see what he is capable of this season. I'm optimistic about Smart but if he turns out to be a Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/Tony Allen type player, that's not a bad thing because love or hate those guys, they play a huge role in helping their teams win. Those guys aren't offensive powerhouses, but what they bring on the defensive end is not something that can be easily replaced.

With Brown, I don't have huge expectations on his impact this season but I do think he has some great potential a few years down the line, but we'll have to wait until then.

The bottom line is both of these guys, along with Rozier, are the X Factor to this team both now and in the future. The reason why we're okay with the Celtics trying to win now is because we are hoping Smart/Rozier/Brown will either be key players on the Celtics next championship team or they'll be centerpieces in the trade the Celtics hope to make for a superstar. Here's to hoping.