Confirmed FA signings thread

[Beat LA]

Why do you reinvest in Sully rather than invest in unproven undrafted players? Its very simple, because Sully at his worst is still an NBA bench role player and at his best is a starting caliber NBA player with the potential to be almost an All-Star level player if he could ever get himself into proper shape. Given he is only 24, that is still a distinct possibility.

But this has always been the knock on Sully throughout his career, and every year we hear the same thing, "Oh look, Sully's lost weight," until he inevitably reverts to form, and what makes things even worse is that he shouwed even less discipline when he should have been at his best in a contract year, and yet you still want to re-sign him?  That's a terrible investment, imo.

OTOH, the undrafted player was passed over in the draft by 30 GMs, TWICE! The percentage of NBA players that were undrafted and are currently a role player in a rotation in the league is ridiculously low, like less than 1%. The percentage of undrafted players that try out for NBA teams and actually make the team is somewhere below 1/100th of 1%, maybe lower than 1/1000th of 1 %. Why do you think that is? The truth is that most undrafted players are just not good enough and unless you are a bad team or a good team without a roster crunch at the 15th position, then you just don't bring an undrafted player into camp to seriously try out for a team. You might bring them into camp to use as practice fodder, but that's about it.

Sully was bad at the end of last year but that bad is being compared to starting caliber, right off the bench caliber or All-Star caliber players. Undrafted players that you show video for are excelling against guys in college, most of which, 99.9%+, won't even get an invite to a Summer League game. The difference in opposing competition for Sully and an undrafted player is off the chart. its not comparable any way you look at it.

Because of this its easy to see that Sully at his worst is probably world's better than any undrafted big that comes out of college. The Celtics have invested time and money in Sully and probably think they can still use him, fat and all, as, at the very least, a first or second big off the bench and at most as a starter. For what price? That will be determined. If the price is too high, they probably let him walk. But they will replace him with someone else on the roster who they drafted and believe in or go out and get an NBA veteran with proven abilities to add to a team and make them better.

So what?  If all of those gms decided to jump off of a bridge, would you do it, too?  By your logic, you would have rather kept Michael Finley on the team in 10-11 instead of drafting Avery Bradley, or electing to keep Ryan Hollins for 12-13 instead of taking Sullinger, simply because those two guys had NBA experience . That argument just doesn't hold water, imo, and based off of what you've said, it seems like you'd never draft a single player, at all, because they haven't played against seasoned NBA veterans, despite the fact that they have played against a number of guys in their draft class who will be NBA players, but whatever . This is the whole 'you don't have any experience because no one has given them the opportunity to gain experience' thing, imo, but let's get back to the draft, shall we?

You say that it's nearly impossible to find any kind of NBA player among those who were not drafted, and yet, every year, there's at least one case of an undrafted free agent becoming a contributor to a team in addition to a feel-good underdog story.  Here's a list of all of the notable undrafted free agents starting in 2008 - Anthony Morrow, Greg Steimsma, and Gary Forbes.

2009 - Wesley Matthews, Aron Baynes, Garrett Temple, and Jeff Adrien.

2010 - Samardo Samuels, Jeremy Lin, Donald Sloan, Ish Smith, and Lance Thomas.

2011 - Greg Smith.

2012 - Kent Bazemore, JaMychal Green, Jonathon Simmons, and Henry Sims.

2013 - Robert Covington, Seth Curry, Troy Daniels, Phil Pressey (maybe), and Matthew Dellavedova, although Saltlover would probably also put Dewayne Dedmon on here, as well, so added .

2014 - Jabari Brown, Tim Frazier, Tarik Black, Langston Galloway, Tyler Johnson, and James Michael McAdoo (maybe).

2015 - tbd.

There are some pretty good players in that group, and a number of them have even started for their teams, at times, like Galloway, Sims, Dellavedova, Covington, Baynes, Morrow, Sloan, Lin, and Bazemore and Matthhews, in particular, and all I'm saying is that there is absolutely no risk in bringing guys like Ochefu, Jekiri, GP II, Uthoff, McClellan, Ferrell, and House, etc., in and signing them through training camp.  If you like any of them at the end of that time, keep them, or maybe put them in the d-league if you don't want to cut them, but either way, there is absolutely zero risk involved with any of these guys, and yet you'd rather re-sign a guy who gave arguably the least effort of his career in a contract year?  That's just completely nonsensical, to me.  Maybe try to look at it this way - undrafted free agents are like the chance to get extra credit on a test or homework assignment.  If you get it right, great, but if not, it won't cost you anything.  Plus, who's left for big guys on the free agent market, right now, because I can't think of any.

There's your explanation Beat LA. You can either except this as truth and realize that the reason so many have disagreed with you is because you are advocating for the Celtics to take a bet on an undrafted player making the team against what history shows is staggeringly low odds to happen, like 1million to 1, or you can continue to think your idea is a good example of thinking outside the box and should be tried. That is up to you.

You still haven't explained to me your problem with thinking outside of the box, and as risky as you try to make signing undrafted guys THROUGH CAMP sound, I'd wager that that risk, at, in your words, a million to one, represents the same likelihood that Sullinger loses weight, keeps it off, and finally 'puts it all together'. I don't care what the odds are in regards to undrafted players, and especially this year, where a number of guys asked teams not to draft them so that they could sign with a team of their choice, preferably, as opposed to being stashed.  The idea that a team shouldn't bring in undrafted free agents, like, ever, is ridiculous, to me, because, as I've said, there's absolutely no risk in doing so.  None.  Be the exception - not the rule.

[fairweatherfan]

Can we maybe just talk about confirmed FA signings here and move the rest to the "explaining color to a blind man" thread?  I keep thinking there's news but nope, just more nonsense.

[nickagneta]

Can we maybe just talk about confirmed FA signings here and move the rest to the "explaining color to a blind man" thread?  I keep thinking there's news but nope, just more nonsense.

TP. Will do.

[Beat LA]

I dont see your Taurean Prince thing as an assault on me. You have a complete disrespect for proven players.

Wrong.

You act as if everyone's out to get you. Thats not the case. Most disagree with you, clearly, and you act as if they are being absurd to strongly object. Shrugging their opinions off with ughs barfs and lols and then proceed to make generally absurd claims which are meant with resistance. I didnt list those claims to make you look like an idiot. If thats how it came off Im sorry. I did it to try to get you to look at your general history of ideas and realize they are really outlandish. If I go over to another thread and post that Nader should start because he is 6'6" pretty athletic and can shoot the 3, I know Im gonna get a lot of backlash. If I advocated trading our #3 pick for Chris McCullough Im gonna get a lot of backlash. You know your ideas are very contradictory to the consensus opinion so I dont understand at all why you dont anticipate being vigorously shut down when you make a post acting like its a no-brainer that a couple of UFAs are already comparable to a proven NBA center.

While I recognize that my ideas do not often reflect the general consensus on any number of topics on this site, I don't post them to get a rise out of anyone.  I never have, and I never will.  You're making it sound like I'm trying to incense people and then get upset when someone calls me out for 'trolling', when, again, that has never been, nor ever will be, the case, but it sadly doesn't surprise me that you can't see the difference, but especially in how people react to my ideas.  When I disagree with another poster's view on something, I say 'I disagree' or 'Why do you say that?', not ignorant things like this -

Beat LA is just messing around as usual, probably because Ochefu and Ezeli share the same ethnicity.

I don't even know what to say to that.  Wow .  I like Ochefu because of his work ethic, motor, intelligence, rebounding, post play, defense, and passing ability.  He anchored Villanova's defense last year.  It has nothing to do with the fact that they have African last names, especially because Ochefu was born in Baltimore, lol, although he did live in Nigeria with his family for a time.  I also like that he grew up playing soccer, but thank you for your ignorant comment (sarcasm).  Wow.

For someone who does not know what to say you sure did say a lot. (sarcasm). Perhaps you should have stopped at 'I don't even know what to say about that'  LOL

 

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We weren't forced to take any stash picks, at all.  That was a conscious decision by Ainge to pass on available talent in order to 'maintain cap flexibilty' (kind of makes you shake your head in disbelief, doesn't it?  Ugh.). Given what has transpired with signing Horford, but not Durant, and seeing Turner leave, I stand by what I said regarding the draft, and we'd be much better off, today, imo, had we used 16 on Caris Levert and 23 on Pascal Siakam, for starters.  Those two contracts wouldn't exactly have crippled us, financially, lol , but whatever.

This kind of trash logic is what defines you.

We cannot have more than 15 players on the roster. We have 8 draft picks. You want to use them all? Dumb

Along with your attempts on three separate occasions to twist my words to make your argument, which you're exceedingly good at, btw, and other comments from other posters like 'Typical Beat LA comment' or "I'm seriously wondering if he's just trolling', yeah, it does feel like a bunch of people are out to get me, and none of what I've quoted is the same thing as being 'vigorously shut down', to me.  It's all bullying, in my view, and some of the things that have been said in my direction are in direct violation of our forum rules.  You can disagree with someone without calling their ideas 'dumb', a result of 'trash logic', or that I'm 'trolling', you know.  It's called civility, maybe you guys have heard of it, but said behavior would appear to indicate, otherwise. 

Also I liked Markel brown out of OSU. Really liked his skillset and thought he might be something in the NBA. He still might be, but skillset clearly isnt everything. Sometimes a skillset thats good enough in college doesnt cut it in the NBA. Sometimes  theres a work ethic issue you dont see, or a maturity issue that doesnt come to light. If you think I just patrol the forum looking for Beat LA posts so I can make him feel bad thats freaking absurd.

I've looked into that and it's not a question of work ethic.  His rookie year, Lionel Hollins never played him, nor any other rookies, iirc, but when he got a chance under Tony Brown, he played really well, and that last sentence isn't so absurd when everyone is attacking you, left and right, but whatever.

And yes, if you looked through my posts you could find a ton of ridiculous claims. That I can promise you. Someday, Ill go through and get some real laughs.

If you really want to believe that everyone's out to get you, you can, but I think youd be better off if you realized thats not the case and just braced for impact next time you make a claim like one of the ones I listed. On this blog you can get torn apart for wanting to send a #3 pick in a weak draft for a 18/7 2nd year former #2 pick. You can get equally torn apart for not wanting to do that. Of course you are gonna get torn apart when you suggest a UFA is comparable to Festus Ezeli. You simply have to recognize there is something to be said for a proven NBA guy. Until you acknowledge the argument (which NBA GMs clearly agree with) against you, then why should we listen to you go on about the skillsets of these guys.

The bolded made me lol. Toughen up champ.

And you and everyone else shouldn't summarily dismiss what a guy has done in college.  I full well acknowledge and understand the argument, but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with it, and as you said in regards to why should we listen to you about the skillsets of these guys - you don't, just like you don't have to respond disparagingly to what I post on here.  If you don't like something, here's a thought - IGNORE IT.  There are plenty of things with which I don't agree on this site, but the difference between myself and you guys is that I don't resort to insults, ignorant statements, mocking sigs, and name-calling.

[GratefulCs]

Don't worry beatLA, most of us know you are not one who trolls



I don't think i've ever seen you make a post just to get a reaction

[Celtics4ever]

TP. Will do.

I would want to change the subject  back to the original topic too, if I was that off on the undrafted people in the NBA. 

Your bias against Sully is so obvious its hard to take anything you say about him seriously.

     

Bias is defined as prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.  I have always claimed he was slow and athletic and never had any business shooting threes.    I think that has been proven true.   Actually, I was way ahead of the power curve about his faults when others were not before it was the general consensus and unpopular.   Much of what I claimed has come to pass in regards to him.  If that is bias, so be it, I certainly don't seek validation from you.   I have concerns about Smart's shot, too that worry me.  Will that be bias as well if he does not pan out?

Sullinger’s offer is worth $4,433,683, while Zeller’s comes in at $3,695,169.  No one is shelling out the cash yet.   I see a lot of people want to sign him for one year.   I think that is fine get him signed and make it for the QO.   He may not have other options folks.  We have a position of strength here.  No need to offer more.   I recall folks thinking he would get paid in the teen millions but so far no.  Someone picks him up for more, oh well.   We can finally play faster paced basketball.

Some free agent rumors:

• Raymond Felton is drawing increased interest, with five teams reportedly in the running for the veteran point guard. (Chris Haynes, Cleveland Plain Dealer)

7 p.m.

• Dion Waiters has interest in playing for the Heat. (Tim Reynolds, AP)

• The Kings have made Kosta Koufos, Rudy Gay and Ben McLemore available via trade. (Marc Stein, ESPN)

• The Mavericks have officially waved JaVale McGee.

• Tyronn Lue said on NBATV that the Cavaliers have signed Chris “Birdman” Andersen. The team is currently hoping to close the deal. (Chris Haynes, Cleveland.com)

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/07/08/free-agency-rumors-news-trades-buzz-contracts-signings-transactions

Surprised we did not have our annual Ben McLemore trade that has plagued since he was drafted.

What I wish I knew was who is the disgruntled player Wyc mentioned.

I am surprised folks want to play for Riles after the way he did Wade.  If this NBA gives them cap relief for Bosh after they didn't for us with Reggie  it will be BS.

[nickagneta]

TP. Will do.

I would want to change the subject  back to the original topic too, if I was that off on the undrafted people in the NBA. 

You not only ignored the post I was responding to but purposely decided not to include it. I wonder why that is?

Your bias against Sully is so obvious its hard to take anything you say about him seriously.

     

Bias is defined as prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.  I have always claimed he was slow and athletic and never had any business shooting threes.    I think that has been proven true.   Actually, I was way ahead of the power curve about his faults when others were not before it was the general consensus and unpopular.   Much of what I claimed has come to pass in regards to him.  If that is bias, so be it, I certainly don't seek validation from you.   I have concerns about Smart's shot, too that worry me.  Will that be bias as well if he does not pan out?

C4E you have consistently posted in threads about subjects completely off utopic about Sullinger disparaging remarks about the man. Any chance you get, regardless of the subject matter, if basketball is being discussed you often use it as a vehicle to change the subject and interject your negative opinions on him. I can go back into your posts and show examples if you want. When one goes to that extreme to say something bad about another, that is a definitive sign of bias.

Sorry, fwf, I had to respond. I won't respond any further unless its on the subject of signings. If you want to respond to this, C4E, go right ahead, but please refrain from the vocabulary lesson. I certainly do not need an education on the English language from you.

[saltlover]

TP. Will do.

I would want to change the subject  back to the original topic too, if I was that off on the undrafted people in the NBA. 

You not only ignored the post I was responding to but purposely decided not to include it. I wonder why that is?

Your bias against Sully is so obvious its hard to take anything you say about him seriously.

     

Bias is defined as prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.  I have always claimed he was slow and athletic and never had any business shooting threes.    I think that has been proven true.   Actually, I was way ahead of the power curve about his faults when others were not before it was the general consensus and unpopular.   Much of what I claimed has come to pass in regards to him.  If that is bias, so be it, I certainly don't seek validation from you.   I have concerns about Smart's shot, too that worry me.  Will that be bias as well if he does not pan out?

C4E you have consistently posted in threads about subjects completely off utopic about Sullinger disparaging remarks about the man. Any chance you get, regardless of the subject matter, if basketball is being discussed you often use it as a vehicle to change the subject and interject your negative opinions on him. I can go back into your posts and show examples if you want. When one goes to that extreme to say something bad about another, that is a definitive sign of bias.

Sorry, fwf, I had to respond. I won't respond any further unless its on the subject of signings. If you want to respond to this, C4E, go right ahead, but please refrain from the vocabulary lesson. I certainly do not need an education on the English language from you.

I think it's an interesting debate.  That said, I like this thread's original purpose, so I made a new thread:
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=86366.0

[greece66]

Unrestricted free agent Derrick Williams has agreed to a one-year, $5 million deal with the Heat.

Mitch McGary has been suspended for five games to begin next season for failing the NBA's drug policy. (this rly belongs to miscellanea but better than opening a new thread)

The Warriors will re-sign James Michael McAdoo to a one-year deal.

[greece66]

I copy paste the full list of this summer's transactions from SB nation

THE BIG ONES

KEVIN DURANT: 2 years, $54.5 million with Warriors
DWYANE WADE: 2 years, $47.5 million with Bulls

ALL OTHERS (IN ORDER)

BRADLEY BEAL: 5 years, $128 million with Wizards
TIMOFEY MOZGOV: 4 years, $64 million with Lakers
DEMAR DEROZAN: 5 years, $145 million with Raptors
ANDRE DRUMMOND: 5 years, $130 million with Pistons
NICOLAS BATUM: 5 years, $120 million with Hornets
JORDAN CLARKSON: 4 years, $50 million with Lakers
HASSAN WHITESIDE: 4-years, $98 million with Heat
ISH SMITH: 3-year contract with Pistons
D.J. AUGUSTIN: 4-years, $29 million with Magic
JEREMY LIN: 3 years, $36 million with Nets
AL JEFFERSON: 3 years, $30 million with Pacers
JERRYD BAYLESS: 3 years, $27 million with 76ers
MIRZA TELETOVIC: 3 years, $30 million with Bucks
CHANDLER PARSONS: 4 years, $94 million with Grizzlies
EVAN TURNER: 4 years, $70 million with Blazers
EVAN FOURNIER: 5 years, $85 million with Magic
MATTHEW DELLAVEDOVA: 4 years, $38 million with Bucks (Cavs can match)
SOLOMON HILL: 4 years, $48 million with Pelicans
JEFF GREEN: 1 year, $15 million with Magic
DARRELL ARTHUR: 3 years, $23 million with Nuggets
DWIGHT HOWARD: 3 years, $70 million with Hawks
MIKE CONLEY: 5 years, $153 million with Grizzlies
JUSTIN HAMILTON: 2 years, $6 million with Nets
JARED DUDLEY: 3 years, $30 million with Suns
E'TWAUN MOORE: 4 years, $34 million with Pelicans
JOAKIM NOAH: 4 years, $72 million with Knicks
KENT BAZEMORE: 4 years, $70 million with Hawks
JOE JOHNSON: 2 years, $22 million with Jazz
LUOL DENG: 4 years, $72 million with Lakers
JON LEUER: 4 years, $42 million with Pistons
ARRON AFFLALO: 2 years, $25 million with Kings
BISMACK BIYOMBO: 4 years, $72 million with Magic
TREVOR BOOKER: 2 years, $18.5 million with Nets
RYAN ANDERSON: 4 years, $80 million with Rockets
MARVIN WILLIAMS: 4 years, $54.5 million with Hornets
ANTHONY TOLLIVER: 2 years, $16 million with Kings
AL HORFORD: 4 years, $113 million with the Celtics
COURTNEY LEE: 4 years, $50 million with the Knicks
IAN MAHINMI: 4 years, $64 million with the Wizards
AUSTIN RIVERS: 3 years, $35 million with the Clippers
ERIC GORDON: 4 years, $53 million with the Rockets
WESLEY JOHNSON: 3 years, $18 million with the Clippers
JAMES ENNIS: 2 years, $6 million with Grizzlies
ANDREW NICHOLSON: 4 years, $26 million with Wizards
TYLER JOHNSON: 4 years, $50 million with Nets (Heat can match)
COLE ALDRICH: 3 years, $22 million with Timberwolves
GARRETT TEMPLE: 3 years, $24 million with Kings
TOMAS SATORANSKY: 3 years, $9 million with Wizards
JAMAL CRAWFORD: 3 years, $42 million with Clippers
RAJON RONDO: 2 years, $28 million with Bulls
MALCOLM DELANEY: 2 years with Hawks
MATT BARNES: 2 years, $12 million with Kings
DWIGHT POWELL: 4 years, $37 million with Mavericks
DERON WILLIAMS: 1 year, $10 million with Mavericks
TARIK BLACK: 2 years, $12.5 million with Lakers
RAMON SESSIONS: 2 years, $12.5 million with Hornets
SHAUN LIVINGSTON: 1 year, $5.8 million option picked up by Warriors
SERGIO RODRIGUEZ: 1 year, $8 million with 76ers
HARRISON BARNES: 4 years, $94 million with Mavericks
PAU GASOL: 2 years, $30+ million with Spurs
BRANDON JENNINGS: 1 year, $5 million with Knicks
LUC RICHARD MBAH A MOUTE: 2 years, $4.5 million with Clippers
ZAZA PACHULIA: 1 year, $2.9 million with Warriors
ROY HIBBERT: 1 year, $5 million with Hornets
LANCE THOMAS: 4 years, $27 million with Knicks
SETH CURRY: 2 years, $6 million with Mavericks
DIRK NOWITZKI: 2 years, $40 million with Mavericks
GERALD HENDERSON: 2 years, $18 million with 76ers
DAVID WEST: 1 year, $1.55 million vs. Warriors
MINDAUGAS KUZMINSKAS: 2 years, $6 million with Knicks
WILLY HERNANGOMEZ: TBD with Knicks
JASON SMITH: 3 years, $16 million with Wizards
NENE: 1 year, $2.9 million with Rockets
BRANDON RUSH: 1 year, $3.5 million with Timberwolves
BRIAN ROBERTS: 1 year, $1.05 million with Hornets
LANGSTON GALLOWAY: 2 years, $10-12 million with Pelicans
RICHARD JEFFERSON: 2 years, $5 million with Cavaliers
LEANDRO BARBOSA: 2 years, $8 million with Suns
BOBAN MARJANOVIC: 3 years, $21 million with Pistons (Spurs can match)
DEWAYNE DEDMON: 2 years $6 million with Spurs
MANU GINOBILI: Returning to Spurs, contract TBD
MARCELO HUERTAS: 2 years with the Lakers
AMIR JOHNSON: Celtics picked up player option
IAN CLARK: 1 year deal with the Warriors
FESTUS EZELI: 2 years, $15 million with the Trail Blazers
ALLEN CRABBE: 4 years, $75 million with Nets (Blazers can match)
MARREESE SPEIGHTS: Minimum contract with the Clippers

TRADES

TREY BURKE: Traded to Wizards for future second-round pick
ANDREW BOGUT: Traded to Mavericks into cap space
BORIS DIAW: Traded to Jazz into cap space
MIKE DUNLEAVY: Traded to Cavaliers into cap space
JOSE CALDERON: Traded to Lakers into cap space
SHABAZZ NAPIER: Traded to Trail Blazers into cap space
JEREMY EVANS: Traded to Pacers into cap space

PS Some of these are slightly different from what I originally found online (eg Diaw was originally reported to have been for a second rounder iirc; and for others the details of the contract have not been determined - eg Ian Clark), but for what it's worth, this is the info we have now.

Source

Edit: fixed link

[Who]

Speights will be a nice offensive weapon alongside CP3 + B.Griffin.

CP3 and Speights in the PnR is a major weapon for a bench piece.

[Celtics4ever]

Unrestricted free agent Derrick Williams has agreed to a one-year, $5 million deal with the Heat.

It would be interesting to see how much cap space each team has left.  Here was the beginning.


http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/242503/The-Maximum-Available-2016-Cap-Space-For-All-30-NBA-Teams-Version-50

Maximum Available 2016 Cap Space For All 30 NBA Teams

http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/240096/The-Maximum-Available-2016-Cap-Space-For-All-30-NBA-Teams

But I can find nothing on who has money left or who is below the cap.  This would be nice to know.   I tried to google it.

You not only ignored the post I was responding to but purposely decided not to include it. I wonder why that is?

It was not necessary.   We posted numerous examples which  pointed out  otherwise, both myself and BLA, but you never admitted you were wrong.

C4E you have consistently posted in threads about subjects completely off utopic about Sullinger disparaging remarks about the man. Any chance you get, regardless of the subject matter, if basketball is being discussed you often use it as a vehicle to change the subject and interject your negative opinions on him. I can go back into your posts and show examples if you want. When one goes to that extreme to say something bad about another, that is a definitive sign of bias.

Sullinger plays basketball, so is not that a basketball discussion?  His conditioning, his weight directly affect his play.   His vanishing act in April on, may have had something to do with us slipping in the seeding and placing us in an unfavorable matchup.  Nope, only when it suits you.

I don't like him as a player.  I guess guilty as charged.   But nothing you said, refutes what I have said, he is slow, unathletic and should not shoot threes.   These are pretty much proven on the court.  Just because I am biased does not mean I not right in these assertions.

" completely off utopic "

What is off utopic.  Is this neologism.   I assume it is a off-topic.   Or maybe you can teach me something about the English language?   I assume auto-correct?

Sorry, fwf, I had to respond.

I knew you would, easy to predict as the sun coming up.  You as you probably knew I would.   Have a great day.  You can rest assured I am not going to respond later today so post away, I have a wedding to attend.  Get in your last word, so you feel like a man, and have a nice day.

 I am sorry to the OP if we got off topic and I apologize to the posters of the thread.  But seriously does anyone know who has what cap space left?

[greece66]

@Celtics4Ever

per cap space, this is p difficult to do as we do not always know the details of the deals.

This one is a decent source I guess although it too has limitations. (Moreover, I'm not sure why it presents as having exceeded cap space -is there a projection of Sully's and Zeller's contracts?)

Edit: nah, it all makes sense, it's the cap holds.

[greece66]

Remaining Free Agents (including RFAs) ranked in order of perceived value

(Had to make the list on my own, so there should be mistakes)

-Dion Waiters
-J.R.Smith
-Jared SullingerWe the North
-Jordan Hill
-Joffrey Lauvergne
-Greivis VasquezNets
-Anthony Morrow
-Donatas Motiejunas
-Luis ScolaNets
-Terrence Jones
-Meyers LeonardPortland
-Mario Chalmers
-Maurice Harkless
-Jarrett JackHawks
-Ian Clark
-Mo Williams
-Salah Mejri
-Aaron Brooks
-Josh Smith
-Jason Thompson
-Norris Cole
-Marcus Thornton
-David Lee
-Gerald Green
-JaMychal Green
-Kevin Martin
-Lance Stephenson
-Chase Budinger
-Ty Lawson
-Ryan Kelly
-James JohnsonHeat
-Kris HumphriesAtlanta
-Jason Terry
-Kevin Seraphin
-Miles Plumlee
-Anderson Varejao
-Tyler Zeller
-Dahntay Jones
-JaKarr Sampson
-Axel Toupane
-Joel Anthony
-Andrew Goudelock
-Vince Carter
-Xavier Munford
-Quincy Acy
-Lou Amundson
-Chris Andersen
-Alan Anderson
-James Anderson
-Andrea Bargnani
-Brandon Bass
-Steve Blake
-Matt Bonner
-Markel Brown
-Isaiah CanaanChicago
-Chris Copeland
-Troy DanielsGrizzlies
-Wayne EllingtonHeat
-Jordan Farmar
-Raymond Felton
-Randy Foye
-Tim FrazierPelicans
-Alonzo Gee
-PJ Hairston
-Udonis HaslemHeat
-J.J. Hickson
-Marcelo HuertasLakers
-Chris Kaman
-Shane Larkin
-Gary Neal
-Johnny O'Bryant
-Kendrick Perkins
-Ronnie Price
-Pablo PrigioniRockets
-Tayshaun Prince
-Willie Reed
-Thomas Robinson
-Henry Sims
-Donald Sloan
-Amar'e Stoudemire
-Hollis Thompson
-Beno Udrih
-Charlie Villanueva
-Sasha VujacicKnicks
-Dorell Wright
-Caron Butler
-Tony Wroten
-Jermaine Taylor
-Lamar Patterson
-Toney Douglas

Other:
-T.Duncan retired
-D.Saric announced he comes to Philly

[GratefulCs]

TP for the list, greece