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This draft gives us roster flexibility in free agency
« on: June 24, 2016, 06:43:03 AM »

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I love this draft for the sole reason we may have only 1 rookie added to the team for next year.  I was worried going in that multiple rookies would only add to our roster crunch and limit us in free agency.  I have no idea if Brown will be a bust, be a star someday, or contribute next year, but I like the swing for the fences pick.   I think Dunn and even Hield would have been very good picks but they aren't a position of great need for us.   

I had a feeling big trade talks weren't going to get too far.   I wouldn't have minded getting Noel or Okofor but maybe Ainge feels Brown has a bigger upside. 

Our next 2 first round picks could be stash guys as well as the 3 second rounders at the end of draft (which I was expecting), and I think the consolidated trade for a future first was a solid trade. 

So getting to the subject topic our roster heading into the summer looks like this.

Amir NG contract
JJ NG contract
Sully RFA
Zeller RFA
Turner FA
KO
Crowder
Brown
Bradley
IT
Smart
Rozier
Young
Hunter
Mickey

That's 15 guys but the first 5 guys mentioned because of their contract status can easily be replaced in free agency.  I say only 2 or 3 of them come back with 2 or 3 new free agents signed.   Who knows maybe even the late second rounders give the Hunter or Young a run for their money making the roster. 

I just really like how this draft sets us up to be really aggressive in free agency especially upgrading our frontcourt.   I don't feel like we need multiple rookies on this team right now if we are seeking improvement.  A draft with say 3 guaranteed rookies being on the roster this summer I believe would have limited our aggressiveness this summer.  For that reason alone I like this draft. 
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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2016, 06:59:18 AM »

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Out of those RFA, the only one I would want back in Turner and that is if the price is right.   Zeller is ok as a third string.   We need to cut ties with Sully as he gained weight during the season and rendered himself useless and it should be the last straw.   
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2016, 08:35:06 AM »

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CSNNE ran a graphic last night that if we don't pick up any NG, RFA or FA on the roster, we would have something like $52M to spend in free agency.  That's 2 max players.

I know, a lot of people will say that FAs never come here and with the roster we have they may not see a reason to join the C's.  Perhaps getting 2 max FA players to come here at the same time is an approach to consider.
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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2016, 08:38:36 AM »

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Quote from: Surferdad on June 24, 2016, 08:35:06 AM
CSNNE ran a graphic last night that if we don't pick up any NG, RFA or FA on the roster, we would have something like $52M to spend in free agency.  That's 2 max players.

I know, a lot of people will say that FAs never come here and with the roster we have they may not see a reason to join the C's.  Perhaps getting 2 max FA players to come here at the same time is an approach to consider.

The point is what two free agents would want to come here? That would be two players satisfied with mediocrity getting lots of money.

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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2016, 08:43:01 AM »

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Quote from: hodgy03038 on June 24, 2016, 08:38:36 AM
Quote from: Surferdad on June 24, 2016, 08:35:06 AM
CSNNE ran a graphic last night that if we don't pick up any NG, RFA or FA on the roster, we would have something like $52M to spend in free agency.  That's 2 max players.

I know, a lot of people will say that FAs never come here and with the roster we have they may not see a reason to join the C's.  Perhaps getting 2 max FA players to come here at the same time is an approach to consider.

The point is what two free agents would want to come here? That would be two players satisfied with mediocrity getting lots of money.
The team won 48 effing games last year. You don't think that maybe adding 2 max guys would possibly make them better??? You make it sound as if the C's were the 76ers last year.
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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2016, 08:47:14 AM »

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Quote from: PAOBoston on June 24, 2016, 08:43:01 AM
Quote from: hodgy03038 on June 24, 2016, 08:38:36 AM
Quote from: Surferdad on June 24, 2016, 08:35:06 AM
CSNNE ran a graphic last night that if we don't pick up any NG, RFA or FA on the roster, we would have something like $52M to spend in free agency.  That's 2 max players.

I know, a lot of people will say that FAs never come here and with the roster we have they may not see a reason to join the C's.  Perhaps getting 2 max FA players to come here at the same time is an approach to consider.

The point is what two free agents would want to come here? That would be two players satisfied with mediocrity getting lots of money.
The team won 48 effing games last year. You don't think that maybe adding 2 max guys would possibly make them better???


1. If Wyc is willing to spend money.
2. If there are good FA's who want to come here

If we fill those two max contracts with mediocre players like Horford and Barnes then how much do we improve? How much has this draft improved us? We will probably have to let players go that were important to us winning 48 games, like Turner.


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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2016, 08:51:55 AM »

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Quote from: hodgy03038 on June 24, 2016, 08:47:14 AM
Quote from: PAOBoston on June 24, 2016, 08:43:01 AM
Quote from: hodgy03038 on June 24, 2016, 08:38:36 AM
Quote from: Surferdad on June 24, 2016, 08:35:06 AM
CSNNE ran a graphic last night that if we don't pick up any NG, RFA or FA on the roster, we would have something like $52M to spend in free agency.  That's 2 max players.

I know, a lot of people will say that FAs never come here and with the roster we have they may not see a reason to join the C's.  Perhaps getting 2 max FA players to come here at the same time is an approach to consider.

The point is what two free agents would want to come here? That would be two players satisfied with mediocrity getting lots of money.
The team won 48 effing games last year. You don't think that maybe adding 2 max guys would possibly make them better???


1. If Wyc is willing to spend money.
2. If there are good FA's who want to come here

If we fill those two max contracts with mediocre players like Horford and Barnes then how much do we improve? How much has this draft improved us? We will probably have to let players go that were important to us winning 48 games, like Turner.

LOL at 1.  Celtics management has no problem spending money.  That much is clear.
And at 2, Al Horford is far better than any big we have on the roster.  It isn't even close.
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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2016, 08:54:36 AM »

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Quote from: hodgy03038 on June 24, 2016, 08:47:14 AM
Quote from: PAOBoston on June 24, 2016, 08:43:01 AM
Quote from: hodgy03038 on June 24, 2016, 08:38:36 AM
Quote from: Surferdad on June 24, 2016, 08:35:06 AM
CSNNE ran a graphic last night that if we don't pick up any NG, RFA or FA on the roster, we would have something like $52M to spend in free agency.  That's 2 max players.

I know, a lot of people will say that FAs never come here and with the roster we have they may not see a reason to join the C's.  Perhaps getting 2 max FA players to come here at the same time is an approach to consider.

The point is what two free agents would want to come here? That would be two players satisfied with mediocrity getting lots of money.
The team won 48 effing games last year. You don't think that maybe adding 2 max guys would possibly make them better???


1. If Wyc is willing to spend money.
2. If there are good FA's who want to come here

If we fill those two max contracts with mediocre players like Horford and Barnes then how much do we improve? How much has this draft improved us? We will probably have to let players go that were important to us winning 48 games, like Turner.
Where did this myth that the Celtics don't spend money come from? This is the first time in like 15 years they have actually had cap space.

And yes, I would think that adding someone like Horford/Andersen/Parsons make this team better. Obviously, not a tier one FA but still good players to add and keep improving.
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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2016, 09:04:27 AM »

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Quote from: saltlover on June 24, 2016, 08:51:55 AM
Quote from: hodgy03038 on June 24, 2016, 08:47:14 AM
Quote from: PAOBoston on June 24, 2016, 08:43:01 AM
Quote from: hodgy03038 on June 24, 2016, 08:38:36 AM
Quote from: Surferdad on June 24, 2016, 08:35:06 AM
CSNNE ran a graphic last night that if we don't pick up any NG, RFA or FA on the roster, we would have something like $52M to spend in free agency.  That's 2 max players.

I know, a lot of people will say that FAs never come here and with the roster we have they may not see a reason to join the C's.  Perhaps getting 2 max FA players to come here at the same time is an approach to consider.

The point is what two free agents would want to come here? That would be two players satisfied with mediocrity getting lots of money.
The team won 48 effing games last year. You don't think that maybe adding 2 max guys would possibly make them better???


1. If Wyc is willing to spend money.
2. If there are good FA's who want to come here

If we fill those two max contracts with mediocre players like Horford and Barnes then how much do we improve? How much has this draft improved us? We will probably have to let players go that were important to us winning 48 games, like Turner.

LOL at 1.  Celtics management has no problem spending money.  That much is clear.
And at 2, Al Horford is far better than any big we have on the roster.  It isn't even close.
Yes Hortord is better NOW than anyone we have.. But He is 30 and is not a piece that would necessarily push us over the top of the Cav's or Toronto..  Definitely not a guy you want to Max out unless you knew for Certain that the Durant thing is True and he was coming to play with him..
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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2016, 09:11:07 AM »

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I doubt KD cares about playing with Horford. I mean there are better pieces to play with in New York than here. Overachieving IT and possibly Horford and a bunch of role players? KD has much better prospects than here. Last night just nailed the coffin closed. We are in a rebuilding mode. We are shooting for 2019-2020. And by then James Young might be able to get an open 3 shot to fall and all of these projects will fall into place and LeBron will be old.
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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2016, 09:22:30 AM »

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Quote from: hodgy03038 on June 24, 2016, 09:11:07 AM
I doubt KD cares about playing with Horford. I mean there are better pieces to play with in New York than here. Overachieving IT and possibly Horford and a bunch of role players? KD has much better prospects than here. Last night just nailed the coffin closed. We are in a rebuilding mode. We are shooting for 2019-2020. And by then James Young might be able to get an open 3 shot to fall and all of these projects will fall into place and LeBron will be old.

Yeah, the Knicks are awesome  ::) They just traded a very quality center for Derek freakin' Rose, while we only won 48 games last year. There is certainly a chance Rose becomes relatively productive again, but that team sucks. Way not to build around Porzingis by making trades to get younger (dealing Carmelo).

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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2016, 09:24:46 AM »

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Quote from: jambr380 on June 24, 2016, 09:22:30 AM
Quote from: hodgy03038 on June 24, 2016, 09:11:07 AM
I doubt KD cares about playing with Horford. I mean there are better pieces to play with in New York than here. Overachieving IT and possibly Horford and a bunch of role players? KD has much better prospects than here. Last night just nailed the coffin closed. We are in a rebuilding mode. We are shooting for 2019-2020. And by then James Young might be able to get an open 3 shot to fall and all of these projects will fall into place and LeBron will be old.

Yeah, the Knicks are awesome  ::) They just traded a very quality center for Derek freakin' Rose, while we only won 48 games last year. There is certainly a chance Rose becomes relatively productive again, but that team sucks. Way not to build around Porzingis by making trades to get younger (dealing Carmelo).

Yes they suck but they have Porzingis, Carmelo, D Rose and lots of money. They can add a D Howard or Horford along with KD.

What do we have? An overachieving IT and a great coach and a bunch of young role players. Which is more attractive?
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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2016, 09:28:43 AM »

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After watching the draft, I can't see why any big name free agent would come to Boston. Maybe we could overpay for Barnes or give Dwight his asking price. I'm just not sure anymore.
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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2016, 09:31:31 AM »

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Quote from: Chief on June 24, 2016, 09:28:43 AM
After watching the draft, I can't see why any big name free agent would come to Boston. Maybe we could overpay for Barnes or give Dwight his asking price. I'm just not sure anymore.

Dwight yes but Barnes? Why would you overpay for him? He's terrible. You watched the playoffs right?

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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2016, 09:51:28 AM »

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Historically, when your best free agents signings have been guys like Amir johnson, past prime Xavier McDaniels, and a way over-the-hill Dominique Wilkins, I'm not exactly confident that we will get the any high end free agents.  It's puzzling to me why we just didn't do the Noel trade, who added to our excellent perimeter defenders might make us the best defensive team in the league. If not Noel, why not Okafor and give us a second end of the game go-to scoring option? If we're just treading water this year, bargain contract guys like Crowder, Thomas, and Bradley will be one year closer to big paydays.
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