Radio Silence on Bender Workout with Wolves Yesterday

[hpantazo]

Furthermore, Bender was seen with (presumably) Ryan McDonough today

http://twitter.com/TempeTroy/status/744002926977310720

meaning what?

He's alive?

[Tr1boy]

Furthermore, Bender was seen with (presumably) Ryan McDonough today

http://twitter.com/TempeTroy/status/744002926977310720

meaning what?

He's alive?

I guess not

Nada from suns nor celts org

If none of these teams pick him, i wonder how far down he will drop

[TheSundanceKid]

Furthermore, Bender was seen with (presumably) Ryan McDonough today

http://twitter.com/TempeTroy/status/744002926977310720

meaning what?

He's alive?

I guess not

Nada from suns nor celts org

If none of these teams pick him, i wonder how far down he will drop

Denver is quoted as his floor. You gotta think Divac would take him at 8 if he was there too

[arctic 3.0]

My. Gut says if he did poorly they would find a way to compliment him I order to raise the value of the 3rd pick.
If he stunned the team they say nothing, knowing he's the best in the draft and not wanting to loose him to philly or the lakers.

[Tr1boy]

My. Gut says if he did poorly they would find a way to compliment him I order to raise the value of the 3rd pick.
If he stunned the team they say nothing, knowing he's the best in the draft and not wanting to loose him to philly or the lakers.

Underwhelmed is my guess

Danny could have said, wow what a prospect. Cant miss. Raise the 3rd pick value. But nothing..

[Who]

My. Gut says if he did poorly they would find a way to compliment him I order to raise the value of the 3rd pick.
If he stunned the team they say nothing, knowing he's the best in the draft and not wanting to loose him to philly or the lakers.

Underwhelmed is my guess

Danny could have said, wow what a prospect. Cant miss. Raise the 3rd pick value. But nothing..

Or Ainge is scared the Lakers may take Bender at #2 so he is keeping quiet.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

My. Gut says if he did poorly they would find a way to compliment him I order to raise the value of the 3rd pick.
If he stunned the team they say nothing, knowing he's the best in the draft and not wanting to loose him to philly or the lakers.

Exactly. Or, he pulls the double fake and talks him up, hoping that teams will think he is bluffing to inflate the value of the pick. They don't take him because they think Danny is lying and we get him.

Or he pulls the triple fake ...

[hpantazo]

My. Gut says if he did poorly they would find a way to compliment him I order to raise the value of the 3rd pick.
If he stunned the team they say nothing, knowing he's the best in the draft and not wanting to loose him to philly or the lakers.

Underwhelmed is my guess

Danny could have said, wow what a prospect. Cant miss. Raise the 3rd pick value. But nothing..

Or Ainge is scared the Lakers may take Bender at #2 so he is keeping quiet.

Exactly. The lack of info after each of Bender's workouts, plus the fact that he is only working out for a few teams, to me means the teams that did work him out keep the info private as they hope to pick him. Otherwise, Ainge or any other GM who worked him out would have absolutely nothing to lose by raving about how great Bender looked , even if it's a flat out lie, to raise the value of their pick and/or to get someone ahead of them to draft him so that the guy they really want drops to them. I'm starting to think Bender may be legit.

Maybe Ainge is planning on trading #3 and using the other picks to trade up and take Bender in the 10-12 range if he falls.

[Eddie20]

My. Gut says if he did poorly they would find a way to compliment him I order to raise the value of the 3rd pick.
If he stunned the team they say nothing, knowing he's the best in the draft and not wanting to loose him to philly or the lakers.

Underwhelmed is my guess

Danny could have said, wow what a prospect. Cant miss. Raise the 3rd pick value. But nothing..

You realize you want Ainge to do something he has actually NEVER done.

[saltlover]

I think they were just going to remain quiet.  The Lakers aren't working him out.  They aren't going to pick him without one, so it's not for that reason.  Maybe they want to make Dunn seem like the #3 prospect out there, to continue to press Philly for a trade.  Maybe they like him and are keeping it quiet to potentially trade down and still get him, although he's worked out with Phoenix and Minny already, so I can't see that being a viable stance.

In other words, saying nice things probably isn't going to help much.  And it's impolite to say mean things.  The Lakers aren't going to pick him.  The Suns might, but they're going to do that regardless of what is said.  It's tough to see another team loving him so much more than Dunn that they'd want to trade for him.  I guess there's some value in trying to move the Suns to trade up a spot, but that only works if they really love him.  So it's probably best to just keep quiet.

[Tr1boy]

I think they were just going to remain quiet.  The Lakers aren't working him out.  They aren't going to pick him without one, so it's not for that reason.  Maybe they want to make Dunn seem like the #3 prospect out there, to continue to press Philly for a trade.  Maybe they like him and are keeping it quiet to potentially trade down and still get him, although he's worked out with Phoenix and Minny already, so I can't see that being a viable stance.

In other words, saying nice things probably isn't going to help much.  And it's impolite to say mean things.  The Lakers aren't going to pick him.  The Suns might, but they're going to do that regardless of what is said.  It's tough to see another team loving him so much more than Dunn that they'd want to trade for him.  I guess there's some value in trying to move the Suns to trade up a spot, but that only works if they really love him.  So it's probably best to just keep quiet.

Again , why does Danny need to "trick" the 76ers.  The 76ers are the ones are desperate for the 3.  They need a pg badly and Dunn fits the bill

they have 3 big players and can afford to trade one (keep Embiid of course)

[saltlover]

I think they were just going to remain quiet.  The Lakers aren't working him out.  They aren't going to pick him without one, so it's not for that reason.  Maybe they want to make Dunn seem like the #3 prospect out there, to continue to press Philly for a trade.  Maybe they like him and are keeping it quiet to potentially trade down and still get him, although he's worked out with Phoenix and Minny already, so I can't see that being a viable stance.

In other words, saying nice things probably isn't going to help much.  And it's impolite to say mean things.  The Lakers aren't going to pick him.  The Suns might, but they're going to do that regardless of what is said.  It's tough to see another team loving him so much more than Dunn that they'd want to trade for him.  I guess there's some value in trying to move the Suns to trade up a spot, but that only works if they really love him.  So it's probably best to just keep quiet.

Again , why does Danny need to "trick" the 76ers.  The 76ers are the ones are desperate for the 3.  They need a pg badly and Dunn fits the bill

they have 3 big players and can afford to trade one (keep Embiid of course)

Because if the Sixers believe the Celtics won't pick Dunn, they won't offer as much, since they can instead trade with the Suns, or even the Wolves (since the Suns need guards less than the Celtics do).  It's pretty simple -- if the Sixers don't believe the Celtics would pick Dunn no matter what, they will offer less.

If the Celtics get a vibe that someone likes Bender more than the Sixers like Dunn, maybe you'll hear some nice words about Bender come out.  Maybe.

[Tr1boy]

I think they were just going to remain quiet.  The Lakers aren't working him out.  They aren't going to pick him without one, so it's not for that reason.  Maybe they want to make Dunn seem like the #3 prospect out there, to continue to press Philly for a trade.  Maybe they like him and are keeping it quiet to potentially trade down and still get him, although he's worked out with Phoenix and Minny already, so I can't see that being a viable stance.

In other words, saying nice things probably isn't going to help much.  And it's impolite to say mean things.  The Lakers aren't going to pick him.  The Suns might, but they're going to do that regardless of what is said.  It's tough to see another team loving him so much more than Dunn that they'd want to trade for him.  I guess there's some value in trying to move the Suns to trade up a spot, but that only works if they really love him.  So it's probably best to just keep quiet.

Again , why does Danny need to "trick" the 76ers.  The 76ers are the ones are desperate for the 3.  They need a pg badly and Dunn fits the bill

they have 3 big players and can afford to trade one (keep Embiid of course)

Because if the Sixers believe the Celtics won't pick Dunn, they won't offer as much, since they can instead trade with the Suns, or even the Wolves (since the Suns need guards less than the Celtics do).  It's pretty simple -- if the Sixers don't believe the Celtics would pick Dunn no matter what, they will offer less.

If the Celtics get a vibe that someone likes Bender more than the Sixers like Dunn, maybe you'll hear some nice words about Bender come out.  Maybe.

After reading your reply..... I need an aspirin

I don't know how you did that...

[saltlover]

I think they were just going to remain quiet.  The Lakers aren't working him out.  They aren't going to pick him without one, so it's not for that reason.  Maybe they want to make Dunn seem like the #3 prospect out there, to continue to press Philly for a trade.  Maybe they like him and are keeping it quiet to potentially trade down and still get him, although he's worked out with Phoenix and Minny already, so I can't see that being a viable stance.

In other words, saying nice things probably isn't going to help much.  And it's impolite to say mean things.  The Lakers aren't going to pick him.  The Suns might, but they're going to do that regardless of what is said.  It's tough to see another team loving him so much more than Dunn that they'd want to trade for him.  I guess there's some value in trying to move the Suns to trade up a spot, but that only works if they really love him.  So it's probably best to just keep quiet.

Again , why does Danny need to "trick" the 76ers.  The 76ers are the ones are desperate for the 3.  They need a pg badly and Dunn fits the bill

they have 3 big players and can afford to trade one (keep Embiid of course)

Because if the Sixers believe the Celtics won't pick Dunn, they won't offer as much, since they can instead trade with the Suns, or even the Wolves (since the Suns need guards less than the Celtics do).  It's pretty simple -- if the Sixers don't believe the Celtics would pick Dunn no matter what, they will offer less.

If the Celtics get a vibe that someone likes Bender more than the Sixers like Dunn, maybe you'll hear some nice words about Bender come out.  Maybe.

After reading your reply..... I need an aspirin

I don't know how you did that...

That was obnoxious.

[Celtics4ever]

Exactly. The lack of info after each of Bender's workouts, plus the fact that he is only working out for a few teams, to me means the teams that did work him out keep the info private as they hope to pick him. Otherwise, Ainge or any other GM who worked him out would have absolutely nothing to lose by raving about how great Bender looked , even if it's a flat out lie, to raise the value of their pick and/or to get someone ahead of them to draft him so that the guy they really want drops to them. I'm starting to think Bender may be legit.

Don't get your hopes up.   Does anyone know what time the workout was today?   I find it odd that even more trades are out there now and the Middleton one developed during the day.   This to me makes me think he did not do so well in the workout.   If he did why explore more trades for the three?   I think concur raving on him would be an attempt to make people think we wanted him and thereby raise our return on a trade.   But nope, we get a story about an unexplored trade that was not previously mentioned.  If the workout was after the story then that is a different matter.

Maybe Ainge is planning on trading #3 and using the other picks to trade up and take Bender in the 10-12 range if he falls.

I think this makes more sense.   But if this was the case, you'd think they would have leaked some flaws to lower his value.

I think Ainge has a poor track record when it comes to international talent.   Like 4 out of 28 picks, and two of those guys played in the NCAAs.   He is not a huge fan and even had a comment about the talent levels of certain league.  Take a look, Ainge said Bender's body had a long way to go, and is that something you do that hurts the value of the pick?

“His body has a long way to go,” said Ainge.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2016/05/celts_trying_hard_to_size_up_possible_no_3_pick_dragan_bender


Great article on foriegn players and Bender

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2016/06/20/dragan-bender-the-nba-draft-most-intriguing-prospect/yO9GqEvRn8rFPNjUi18nfL/story.html

I would have thought there would have been some all stars in there.