Chad Ford Draft Buzz

[hpantazo]

Austin Ainge sounded frustrated over fact that Murray's agent would not let him work out one on one against any other players.  That may factor into their misgivings about him.

Brown didnt avoid...

Agree, probably because he doesn't have an agent!! But it doesn't matter why, I think that is a huge mark in his favor.  I really like Brown a lot. Would be real happy if we took him. It won't solve our shooting woes but those can be fixed with a couple of FA signings. Any sharp shooters on the FA market this summer??

Eric Gordon is available.

[BlackCeltic]

If we drafted Brown, I wouldnt mind shipping Bradley and Crowder & 16 to Chicago for Butler & filler. Proceed to go after Durant and Horford.

[Tr1boy]

Austin Ainge sounded frustrated over fact that Murray's agent would not let him work out one on one against any other players.  That may factor into their misgivings about him.

Brown didnt avoid...

Murray still broke the record in the Celtics 3pt shooting drill though, and everyone raved at how competitive he was during the workout in general.

You can refer to it as hiding, but it is generally considered as agents protecting their assets by not risking injury before the draft is done and contracts are signed. Nobody is going to tear an acl during shooting drills, but it could very well happen during 1 on 1 games.

In any case murray is not a great 1 on 1 player. Like Klay Thompson or Devin Booker is not.   Doesnt mean he wont become a good player

[Ilikesports17]

Austin Ainge sounded frustrated over fact that Murray's agent would not let him work out one on one against any other players.  That may factor into their misgivings about him.

Brown didnt avoid...

Agree, probably because he doesn't have an agent!! But it doesn't matter why, I think that is a huge mark in his favor.  I really like Brown a lot. Would be real happy if we took him. It won't solve our shooting woes but those can be fixed with a couple of FA signings. Any sharp shooters on the FA market this summer??

Eric Gordon is available.

Allen Crabbe, Evan Fournier and Beal could maybe be had. Bazemore is a solid shooter. All those guys are gonna cost you, but this offseason everyone is gonna cost you.

[Boris Badenov]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43hCf3ZjaGU

Here's his DraftXpress Video. He looks extremely athletic, long/big, and his jumper is silky smooth and clean. I'm sold lol

you may also wish to watch the videos that show his limitations. on defense he lacks effort and on defensive rebounds it is almost embarrassing to see the lack of effort he exerts.

chriss' lack of concern on defense and on rebounds raises significant red flags for me.

I agree.

I see both Bender and Chriss as having significant holes in their games right now, as well as significant upside, but effort-wise and maturity-wise Bender has the clear edge from what I've been able to learn.

For players who are early in their development, that seems like a very important difference.

[mmmmm]

As a UW alum, I watched a _lot_ of Chriss' games this season.

I would be excited to see Chriss in Celtic green and have hoped we might get him in the draft all along ... but with the 16th pick, not the #3 pick.

As much as I love his exhilarating upside, I can also unfortunately see his all too scary floor.

Everything in the DraftExpress' Strengths and Weaknesses videos are true.   All season I'd go from cheering to groaning with him from moment to moment.

Some of that is definitely due to inexperience.  He only got serious about basketball a few years ago.

But others seem to be moments of complete loss of focus.   

I like Chriss a lot and if he works out, he could be a huge star.   But taking him with the #3 pick frankly scares the crap out of me.

[dreamgreen]

As a UW alum, I watched a _lot_ of Chriss' games this season.

I would be excited to see Chriss in Celtic green and have hoped we might get him in the draft all along ... but with the 16th pick, not the #3 pick.

As much as I love his exhilarating upside, I can also unfortunately see his all too scary floor.

Everything in the DraftExpress' Strengths and Weaknesses videos are true.   All season I'd go from cheering to groaning with him from moment to moment.

Some of that is definitely due to inexperience.  He only got serious about basketball a few years ago.

But others seem to be moments of complete loss of focus.   

I like Chriss a lot and if he works out, he could be a huge star.   But taking him with the #3 pick frankly scares the crap out of me.

Thanks for the info.

[hwangjini_1]

As a UW alum, I watched a _lot_ of Chriss' games this season.

I would be excited to see Chriss in Celtic green and have hoped we might get him in the draft all along ... but with the 16th pick, not the #3 pick.

As much as I love his exhilarating upside, I can also unfortunately see his all too scary floor.

Everything in the DraftExpress' Strengths and Weaknesses videos are true.   All season I'd go from cheering to groaning with him from moment to moment.

Some of that is definitely due to inexperience.  He only got serious about basketball a few years ago.

But others seem to be moments of complete loss of focus.   

I like Chriss a lot and if he works out, he could be a huge star.   But taking him with the #3 pick frankly scares the crap out of me.

And a tp for you hailing from my alma mater.  U dub rules.

[CelticSooner]

I wonder if Jamal Murray can be a Chris Mullin type.

Deficient in athleticism and defense but super-intelligent and super-skilled so he finds a way to be a high level player despite his limitations.

That's an interesting comparison and I think it fits.  Murray has some of that "old man game".  Hesitations, pump-fakes, up and unders, looks comfortable shooting from "awkward" ranges (8-16 ft) and angles.  Doesn't use a lot of advanced dribbling.  Puts defenders on his hip and keeps his dribble low in traffic.  Lots of similarities.

I think Mullin saw the court much better.

That's a nice way of saying he's not very athletic. He looks like Jamal Crawford 2.0. Do people not see this?

Draft the most complete player. The last thing the C's need is a raw athletic player or skilled player that will always be hampered by athleticism. I hope the pick gets traded so we don't have to find out.

[colincb]

Austin Ainge sounded frustrated over fact that Murray's agent would not let him work out one on one against any other players.  That may factor into their misgivings about him.

That's fine, but Kris Dunn won't even work out for them at all, and I doubt Dragan Bender will do more than 1-on-1s.  I can't find anything that said Jaylen Brown played against other draftees when he came to Boston either.

The Cs said they know Dunn well and that tryouts won't stop them from drafting him. It's not like they haven't been able to see him enough on TV with the Big East contract with Fox or in person by driving down to Providence. If Danny's looking to add assets and take the safest pick, I'd say Dunn is the BPA.

I don't think they're going backcourt myself, but the 3 alternatives we hear (Bender, Chriss, and Brown) all have higher bust potential. However, Danny can afford to take a shot at greatness if he sees it.

Best result remains a trade.

[Boris Badenov]

As a UW alum, I watched a _lot_ of Chriss' games this season.

I would be excited to see Chriss in Celtic green and have hoped we might get him in the draft all along ... but with the 16th pick, not the #3 pick.

As much as I love his exhilarating upside, I can also unfortunately see his all too scary floor.

Everything in the DraftExpress' Strengths and Weaknesses videos are true.   All season I'd go from cheering to groaning with him from moment to moment.

Some of that is definitely due to inexperience.  He only got serious about basketball a few years ago.

But others seem to be moments of complete loss of focus.   

I like Chriss a lot and if he works out, he could be a huge star.   But taking him with the #3 pick frankly scares the crap out of me.

I can't even bring myself to link to the article, but Sherrod just posted a "5 picks who could contribute right away" list for the C's and Chriss was on it. Jaylen Brown also, but Chriss is the bigger offense.

It has to be satire. Right? Please tell me it's satire.

[saltlover]

Austin Ainge sounded frustrated over fact that Murray's agent would not let him work out one on one against any other players.  That may factor into their misgivings about him.

That's fine, but Kris Dunn won't even work out for them at all, and I doubt Dragan Bender will do more than 1-on-1s.  I can't find anything that said Jaylen Brown played against other draftees when he came to Boston either.

The Cs said they know Dunn well and that tryouts won't stop them from drafting him. It's not like they haven't been able to see him enough on TV with the Big East contract with Fox or in person by driving down to Providence. If Danny's looking to add assets and take the safest pick, I'd say Dunn is the BPA.

I don't think they're going backcourt myself, but the 3 alternatives we hear (Bender, Chriss, and Brown) all have higher bust potential. However, Danny can afford to take a shot at greatness if he sees it.

Best result remains a trade.

Oh, I agree.  My point was simply that the Celtics won't refuse to pick a player because his agent wouldn't agree for him to do everything the team wants in a workout.

[colincb]

As a UW alum, I watched a _lot_ of Chriss' games this season.

I would be excited to see Chriss in Celtic green and have hoped we might get him in the draft all along ... but with the 16th pick, not the #3 pick.

As much as I love his exhilarating upside, I can also unfortunately see his all too scary floor.

Everything in the DraftExpress' Strengths and Weaknesses videos are true.   All season I'd go from cheering to groaning with him from moment to moment.

Some of that is definitely due to inexperience.  He only got serious about basketball a few years ago.

But others seem to be moments of complete loss of focus.   

I like Chriss a lot and if he works out, he could be a huge star.   But taking him with the #3 pick frankly scares the crap out of me.

Me too. I like skills, athleticism, leadership, and BBIQ in a prospect. Tough to get all of that in the era of 1-and-done, but if you're missing athleticism, you can never gain that going forward. BBIQ is similar too though, and from what I've read that a perceived issue with Chriss compared to someone like Bender.
 
As an aside, it's amazing to me how good the DraftExpress videos and writeups are, I rember AB's in partucualr and they pegged his strengths and weaknesses so well He still has the same weaknesses with the exception of shooting from distance which is an acquired skill. Maybe the best defensive reactions in the NBA, yet he's got extreme tunnel vision on the other side of the ball as a playmaker. Go figure.

[RedClaw33]

This kid is crazy talented on the O side of the ball....not just shooting, but able to penetrate and dish.  He only played 2 guard at Kentucky because he and T.Ullis were far and away the best players they had and he was depended on to take a high volume of shots.

If you've missed it check out these highlights from the Pan America games....Murray is younger than the competition in this tourney.  He clearly isn't afraid of a big stage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLNv6SYzofU

I like the idea of....

1st team pairing Thomas/Bradley
2nd team pairing Murray/Smart

[mmmmm]

As a UW alum, I watched a _lot_ of Chriss' games this season.

I would be excited to see Chriss in Celtic green and have hoped we might get him in the draft all along ... but with the 16th pick, not the #3 pick.

As much as I love his exhilarating upside, I can also unfortunately see his all too scary floor.

Everything in the DraftExpress' Strengths and Weaknesses videos are true.   All season I'd go from cheering to groaning with him from moment to moment.

Some of that is definitely due to inexperience.  He only got serious about basketball a few years ago.

But others seem to be moments of complete loss of focus.   

I like Chriss a lot and if he works out, he could be a huge star.   But taking him with the #3 pick frankly scares the crap out of me.

I can't even bring myself to link to the article, but Sherrod just posted a "5 picks who could contribute right away" list for the C's and Chriss was on it. Jaylen Brown also, but Chriss is the bigger offense.

It has to be satire. Right? Please tell me it's satire.

Jez Sherrod be'n Sherrod.