Simmons is no Lebron. Ingram is no Durant. Then?

[walker834]

I think Simmons was just going through the motions a bit.   I wouldn't pass on him because of that. Pierce, Paul George. There have been plenty of players like that who seemed disinterested in college.  He wasn't tim duncan at wake forest and a 4 year college player all academic but he was there for one year.

Lejerk didn't even go to college.

[Tr1boy]

If Simmons is Odom at peak,  I would gladly take it
Odoms was instrumental to seal that painful to watch game 7 . 

Just not an alpha dog type. 


Like many have said, difficult to make a comparison for ingram.   Maybe a taller Tashyaun Prince?

[Tr1boy]

I think Simmons was just going through the motions a bit.   I wouldn't pass on him because of that. Pierce, Paul George. There have been plenty of players like that who seemed disinterested in college.  He wasn't tim duncan at wake forest and a 4 year college player all academic but he was there for one year.

Lejerk didn't even go to college.

I hope so. Especially if we pick him
He needs brace for the tidal wave and swim through it under cbs

[nickagneta]

If at 18 Lebron put up 21 PPG, 6 RPG, and 6 APG in the Association I can't help but wonder what his college stats would have looked like if he went to college and a coach used him to his fullest capabilities.

I can't help but think Lebron could have posted a near triple double in college that year while averaging 30 PPG. And if he did post those types of numbers and just dominated college level players, I am sure we wouldn't be having the Simmons comparisons to Lebron that we are getting.

Simmons is not Lebron. People are setting totally unrealistic expectations for this kid.

[walker834]

What's been holding me back is how Simmons fits with us but I've watched him more and more the past couple days and I wouldnt hesitate to draft him #1.

[walker834]

EVeryone knew  when Lebron came out he was the next best thing.  Sometimes that isn't always the case.   Jordan wasn't that.  Even Bird wasn't.  Or Russell.  I think Bird fell to 6th because of questions regarding his eligibility.

Simmons to me is a more thinking mans lebron. He plays the game that way.  Hield is the guy who is uber in your face with his shooting this year.

As far as college stats Hield had the biggest year. Does that mean HIeld is going to be better than Simmons?  Not necessarily.  Curry was like that and fell but it's not always that way.

Simmons has been the #1 rated prospect. Hield had a better year.

[walker834]

Besides isn't Hield a 4 year college player? Simmons was a freshman. Even Duncan didn't have that great a freshman year. He was probably the  best freshman but Wake Forest went 20-11 and Duncan got off to a slow start. Different times when there were more 4 year players then but Simmons being outdone by Hield as a 4 y ear player is the same thing in ways.

[SHAQATTACK]

I'll take a close Paul George myself

[Tr1boy]

EVeryone knew  when Lebron came out he was the next best thing.  Sometimes that isn't always the case.   Jordan wasn't that.  Even Bird wasn't.  Or Russell.  I think Bird fell to 6th because of questions regarding his eligibility.

Simmons to me is a more thinking mans lebron. He plays the game that way.  Hield is the guy who is uber in your face with his shooting this year.

As far as college stats Hield had the biggest year. Does that mean HIeld is going to be better than Simmons?  Not necessarily.  Curry was like that and fell but it's not always that way.

Simmons has been the #1 rated prospect. Hield had a better year.

So then more like magic

Could Simmons carry a team to 50 wins? (Mark Cuban lol)

At this pt the jury is out

So Simmons would need a dwade or someone like that

Luckily we have a little bulldog - IT

[walker834]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3907387/ben-simmons

His college numbers are better than Okafor.  He averaged 20 and 12 and 5 assists a game and 2 steals.  Duncan didn't average that  until he was a junior and senior.  He averaged 10 and 10 as a freshman and like 4 blocks. 17 and 10 as a softmore.

different times though. Jhalil okafor did not average that at duke.  He was around 17 and 8.

Can't compare lebron because he didn't go to college.

Andrew Wiggins averaged 17 and 5

Jabari Parker averaged 19 and 9.

Ingram 17 and 7.

[walker834]

I dont know how accurate this list is but Simmons season statistically is better than all these guys except durant, carmelo and beasley.  Sully is on this list.

http://athlonsports.com/college-basketball/best-freshman-seasons-college-basketball-history

His college numbers are most comparable to magic and duncan if you merged them.  He's averaging Duncan like rebounds and points but not the blocks, but more assists but not as many as magic. There is no player like that.  Lamar Odom was like 17 and 9 as a freshman and like 3 or 4 assists. Probably the closest thing but not as good.

20/12/5 is pretty good as a college freshman. He's a less flashy magic/duncan hybrid like i said without the shot blocking. 

Brad Daugherty averaged 20 and 11 and about 3 assists and a block a game in comparison later on in his college career. As far as passing big men in nba history there aren't many who were better. Russell, Chamberlain, Cowens, Unseld etc..

Simmons is such a weird blend because of his height and ability to play like a guard. He's 6'10" and is averaging 5 assists in college and 12 boards, and 20 points.

I dont think players today are on that level of all time greats and numbers are skewed a bit sometimes but that's still pretty good.

Bill Russell averaged 20 and 10 as a freshman in comparison.  Blocks were not counted.  Michael JOrdan averaged 20 and 6 later in his college career. Different times and more 4 year college players etc.  Different game. Different skillsets etc.  Steph Curry really had some monster years statistically later on.

Marcus averaged 15, 6, 4 as a freshman with 3 steals a game and a terrible field goal percentage.

[celticmania]

College stats don't matter. Simmons will never be as good as Lebron just stop with that nonsense. They play similarly but Lebron is a freak athlete. Ben Simmons is elite too but Lebron is next level even at the age of 30. Plus he probably isn't the scorer Lebron is or defender.

[sofutomygaha]

The whole draft class, it turns out, is positively full of players who are not actually other players. Don't latch on to these pie-in-the-sky comparisons. Those two are great prospects and the comps will be forgotten once they become what they are. Nobody is talking today about how Anthony Davis isn't Tim Duncan or John Wall isn't Magic Johnson.

[walker834]

I agree they don't matter but most college players that are great they put up similar college numbers. Magic was better than Odom in college for example. Curry also exploded.  Duncan was also monstrous.   There are obviously players that have big years that dont do well in the pros. There are also players that dont do that great like pierce or george but do well in the pros.  They dont necessarily reach that superstar level status though. Most of the really big time players like Duncan, Shaq, Wilt, Bird, Magic, Russell, Robinson all had big years at some point.  Jordan is really the exception.

Simmons is his own player. Any top top player in the nba that isn't foreign put up huge numbers at the college level at some point and uniquely huge numbers.

Simmons did that is all I'm sayinig as a freshman. 20, 12 and 5 are uniquely big numbers for a freshman.

There are always exceptions.  Some players like Anthony Davis weren't in college that long but still made an impact in different ways that showed up. Same with Chris Paul. Those players didn't have the numbers but still took their teams far in the tourney etc..

There are not many college players that averaged 20, 12 and 5 as a freshman in college history is what I'm saying nad if they did they are probably really good nba players..