Poll: #4 overall pick for Jabari Parker

[alldaboston]

Dino,

Smart is not going to suddenly become a scorer at the rim. He has no lift. He doesn't have the quickness or shiftiness of someone like Harden and he doesn't have the length to make up for his lack of lift. He also doesn't have any hang. He loses his jump as soon as he makes contact with a big. He can't absorb contact.

The only option he has is to be a better three point shooter or get a mid range game but that would require Smart to improve his handle and quickness.

The guy gets hammered every time he goes to the rim and never gets a call. Sure he's not that good at absorbing contact but you're also thinking that way bc he misses many shots at the rim while being fouled but never getting calls.

[TheTruth]

Alldaboston,

Smart initiates most contact and very seldom puts the defense at a point of weakness. The ref is just allowing the play to go at that point. Smart is neither beating the defense to an angle or putting the defense in a spot to react and reach.

[Rondo9]

Alldaboston,

Smart initiates most contact and very seldom puts the defense at a point of weakness. The ref is just allowing the play to go at that point. Smart is neither beating the defense to an angle or putting the defense in a spot to react and reach.

I'm not sure, there are times he was clearly fouled and refs don't even call it.

[alldaboston]

Alldaboston,

Smart initiates most contact and very seldom puts the defense at a point of weakness. The ref is just allowing the play to go at that point. Smart is neither beating the defense to an angle or putting the defense in a spot to react and reach.

I'm not sure, there are times he was clearly fouled and refs don't even call it.

Yep. Sorry The Truth. Sounds like you're just pushing your anti-Smart agenda at this point.

[TheTruth]

Alldaboston,

Your reasoning is that every single ref has it in for Smart. That is absurd.

[Rondo9]

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[Rondo9]

Alldaboston,

Your reasoning is that every single ref has it in for Smart. That is absurd.

I'm not sure every ref has it in for Smart. But it does get irratating whenever Smart makes a strong move and doesn't get a foul.

[alldaboston]

Alldaboston,

Your reasoning is that every single ref has it in for Smart. That is absurd.

Lol I'm not saying that. It's true that smart has to work on getting to the rim, and finishing with contact when he does get to therm.

But the refs don't do him any favors by not giving him the calls he deserves. I think it's probably the main reason why he still shoots so many threes; when he drives, he never gets the calls he should get. So he's trying to find other ways to help the team. Sadly, his J isn't falling, and his reputation as an occasional flopper isn't helping his case with the refs when he drives.

[loco_91]

I love how every single thread on this forum eventually devolves into a debate over Smart... to bring it back to Parker, I wouldn't do it. Parker doesn't play D, I'm not convinced that he can be a stud scorer with his merely-good athleticism and shooting, and he's a poor passer. A #2 offensive option who doesn't play defense and doesn't make his teammates better isn't really a great player, even if he can put up 18ppg on respectable efficiency.

[Moranis]

I love how every single thread on this forum eventually devolves into a debate over Smart... to bring it back to Parker, I wouldn't do it. Parker doesn't play D, I'm not convinced that he can be a stud scorer with his merely-good athleticism and shooting, and he's a poor passer. A #2 offensive option who doesn't play defense and doesn't make his teammates better isn't really a great player, even if he can put up 18ppg on respectable efficiency.

I'm not saying I agree with you, but who do you think you would get at 4 that would be a better more complete player?

[tankcity!]

Jabari might not be lighting the league on fire, but he's been averaging over 17 points and over 6 rebounds per game since the start of February.

In over 36.8 minutes a game! Only by a hair, but unlike every other such prospect, those numbers would be adjusted down per 36. He's played, like, the 3rd most minutes per game in the league in that span.

Well, yes, but he's not really using up a bunch of shots.  His scoring efficiency has been excellent - typically over 55% TS.

It's taking him 37 minutes to get those points because Milwaukee doesn't use him heavily, as his USG% has been only about 20% all year.   That's basically 4th-option usage.  Even though it has increased the last month or so, it still has been only ~23% in March/April.   That's basically '3rd-option' usage.

Who knows, maybe if he were the focal point of the offense then he could score like a Glenn Robinson or maybe even a Carmelo. However, he's still only getting 6 rebounds in 36 minutes a game as a PF. My hunch is that he's the worst-rebounding PF in the league, which I'll check bref about shortly. (EDIT: Seems so.) He's a mediocre defender as is, but he would be horrid as a SF. One way or another, he's got a defense-crippling flaw. He does nothing good except score, and he'd have to be a sensational league-lead-territory or super-efficient scorer to be really valuable. Otherwise, he's just Big Dog. Show of hands, how many people would trade the 4th pick for Glenn Robinson? I hope not too many. We should be shooting for a bigger impact than that from the 4th pick, there'll be a better player than Glenn Robinson available at #4.

Dude, Glenn Robinson is better than any player on the Celtics roster at the moment IMO. And do you realize how much of a big risk the 4th pick really is? What is the chance that player makes the all star team? I mean if it was Ben Simmons or Ingram I would understand, but we're talking about the 4th pick here. Parker would probably go 2nd in this draft as well. So your point makes no sense.

Also the draft the Smart was in was supposed to be loaded, and we didn't end up getting an all star. I actually think you're being very unfair to Parker, who is coming off a torn acl surgery. I mean the Celtics are in desperate need of another scorer. They don't just come by that easily.

Just to make sure, who are you drafting at 4? So I can come back next year and see if that player is going to be an all star.

[tankcity!]

Parker has shown signs of being a future all star.

Smart has shown signs of being a role player with his ability to play Outstanding D and drive and kicks. He just needs to stop SHOOTING.

Most of the players around pick 4 are even more uncertain than Marcus Smart. I'm not sure I see Hield or Murray as future all stars. They are more likely to be offensive role players. I'd say since we know Smart's value on D and Hield and Murray are still unknown, that Smart has more value then them. So if Smart, who is a role player, is not good enough to trade for Parker, then the fourth pick is even harder to see as a possible trade for Parker.

Not happening.

I'd rather have a SG version of Ron Artest than a PF version of Glenn Robinson. I'd trade the 4th pick for the former, but not the latter.

LOL!!! Ron Artest comparison. Now you're just being silly. Artest played a different position so his defense was way more important. My god, can you cool your jets on your love for Smart? Can the guy make an all defense team first?

[tankcity!]

Dino,

Smart is not going to suddenly become a scorer at the rim. He has no lift. He doesn't have the quickness or shiftiness of someone like Harden and he doesn't have the length to make up for his lack of lift. He also doesn't have any hang. He loses his jump as soon as he makes contact with a big. He can't absorb contact.

The only option he has is to be a better three point shooter or get a mid range game but that would require Smart to improve his handle and quickness.

Thank you for speaking the truth. Artest is taller and better around the rim. I mean he also at least shot 40% his rookie year. People like to blame Marcus for his 3 pt shooting, but he isn't able to create his own shot. It's hard for him to find angles to drive. He lacks a first step.

[TheTruth]

Tank,

No problem.

I do think the Ron Artest comp is a good one for Smart on the defensive end but you are right that it's way too early to compare Smart's overall game to Artest.

Artest was one of the best two way players for a handful of years.

Smart has a long ways to go.

[Future Celtics Owner]

The 4th pick for Okafor may be better for the team. IMO both have the potential to get a lot better, especially since it is their rookie year.

I did have a plan to get both but we are not "tanking"....and it may have involved us already having Myles Turner on the team. Dam, the way things are going with the Kings I bet we could essentially have done Turner for Cousins and fillers.