Yet another dissapointment in Marcus Smart thread (Bob Ryan comments)

[tankcity!]

I would like to see Turner not brought back and Smart given a chance to run the show with complete confidence

The only reason why Turner shouldn't be brought back is if he couldn't be. If Smart can't beat out Evan Turner for a bigger role in the rotation... sorry but I'm not sorry for him.

Thank you. Please take off the green goggles people. If the media starts putting pressure on Smart, maybe he will work on his game.

[tankcity!]

look at the way CBS is using him

Smart is a PG and has always been used to handling the ball. He performs better as a ball handler

You expect him to be a spot up shooter and you will get an inconsistent performer

I would like to see Turner not brought back and Smart given a chance to run the show with complete confidence

Or a Smart/Rozier backcourt that will share the ball handling duties (both can also play SG at times)

TP. This is the smartest thing you've ever said on CB, Triboy!

Seriously though, when you watch Smart as the ball-handler versus him playing off of the ball, it's clear that he just doesn't really know how to play as the off-guard. He forces way fewer threes when he's the ball-handler, because he has options for his offense, e.g. drive and kick, take to the hoop, etc. Further, he looks really, really good as the main ball-handler, too, and he consistently makes good passes, hardly commits turnovers, and just makes the overall right play when he's in control of the ball-handling. I think most of his offensive struggles stem from this very fact that they're trying to play him as a 3-and-D type swingman when that's not who he is.

I'm guessing that most of this will be resolved next year when Turner makes himself too expensive to stay in Boston.

No offense, but you are never critical of Smart. He can do no wrong in your book man. Just saying.

[tankcity!]

look at the way CBS is using him

Smart is a PG and has always been used to handling the ball. He performs better as a ball handler

You expect him to be a spot up shooter and you will get an inconsistent performer

I would like to see Turner not brought back and Smart given a chance to run the show with complete confidence

Or a Smart/Rozier backcourt that will share the ball handling duties (both can also play SG at times)

TP. This is the smartest thing you've ever said on CB, Triboy!

Seriously though, when you watch Smart as the ball-handler versus him playing off of the ball, it's clear that he just doesn't really know how to play as the off-guard. He forces way fewer threes when he's the ball-handler, because he has options for his offense, e.g. drive and kick, take to the hoop, etc. Further, he looks really, really good as the main ball-handler, too, and he consistently makes good passes, hardly commits turnovers, and just makes the overall right play when he's in control of the ball-handling. I think most of his offensive struggles stem from this very fact that they're trying to play him as a 3-and-D type swingman when that's not who he is.

I'm guessing that most of this will be resolved next year when Turner makes himself too expensive to stay in Boston.

Yep.  And this stuff makes a huge difference.  Just look how much Turner struggled before Stevens put the ball back in his hands.  Or how much Pippen struggled in Houston or Payton struggled in LA at the end of their respective careers, where they were basically relegated to spot up shooters.

It's like you haven't watched him attempt to score. Have you seen his FG%? Who shoots that bad and gets that many minutes. All I'm asking him to do is shoot over 40% from the field.

[Dino Pitino]

look at the way CBS is using him

Smart is a PG and has always been used to handling the ball. He performs better as a ball handler

You expect him to be a spot up shooter and you will get an inconsistent performer

I would like to see Turner not brought back and Smart given a chance to run the show with complete confidence

Or a Smart/Rozier backcourt that will share the ball handling duties (both can also play SG at times)

TP. This is the smartest thing you've ever said on CB, Triboy!

Seriously though, when you watch Smart as the ball-handler versus him playing off of the ball, it's clear that he just doesn't really know how to play as the off-guard. He forces way fewer threes when he's the ball-handler, because he has options for his offense, e.g. drive and kick, take to the hoop, etc. Further, he looks really, really good as the main ball-handler, too, and he consistently makes good passes, hardly commits turnovers, and just makes the overall right play when he's in control of the ball-handling. I think most of his offensive struggles stem from this very fact that they're trying to play him as a 3-and-D type swingman when that's not who he is.

I'm guessing that most of this will be resolved next year when Turner makes himself too expensive to stay in Boston.

Yep.  And this stuff makes a huge difference.  Just look how much Turner struggled before Stevens put the ball back in his hands.  Or how much Pippen struggled in Houston or Payton struggled in LA at the end of their respective careers, where they were basically relegated to spot up shooters.

It's like you haven't watched him attempt to score. Have you seen his FG%? Who shoots that bad and gets that many minutes. All I'm asking him to do is shoot over 40% from the field.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/artesro01.html

His percentages at a comparable point were somewhat better, but he was a small forward.

[PAOBoston]

I do think his growth in the shooting department is disappointing this year along with some other things in his game (flopping, general punkiness). I think his 3rd year in the NBA is going to be a make or break year. He has to show some sort of shooting improvement next year. He just turned 22 so it's not all doom and gloom. It took Bradley a few years to improve his shooting as well. So, I'm not willing to throw the towel in on the guy.

[tankcity!]

I believe in Smart's potential, but if he turns out to be just a smaller Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (and hopefully not as injury-prone), then I'm fine with it. Guys like Smart and MKG may not be offensive juggernauts, but they do so many other good things for their teams.

MKG has a good mid range game, can finish, and is taller. He also makes more of an impact on D, and rebounds better. Look at MKG's FG% and compare it to Smart's. I wish people would research before making comps.

Hey genius, why don't you read it again? At no time did I say that the two right now are the same player. Nope not once. I'll try to bring this up slowly since you are so smart. I brought up the potential of Smart becoming a smaller Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. So, of course there are things MKG can do that Smart can't due to the obvious size difference. Hence the word "smaller". The point of the comp is that both are defensive sieves with limited offensive capabilities no matter how their stats compare.

I apologize if my comment made you butthurt. Can you forgive me?

Haha, what are you talking about? Look at MKG's rookie season and compare it to Smart's....I don't see where or how you can compare the two potentially. I actually thought you would be smart enough to compare their rookie seasons since MKG was younger entering the league.

[tankcity!]

look at the way CBS is using him

Smart is a PG and has always been used to handling the ball. He performs better as a ball handler

You expect him to be a spot up shooter and you will get an inconsistent performer

I would like to see Turner not brought back and Smart given a chance to run the show with complete confidence

Or a Smart/Rozier backcourt that will share the ball handling duties (both can also play SG at times)

TP. This is the smartest thing you've ever said on CB, Triboy!

Seriously though, when you watch Smart as the ball-handler versus him playing off of the ball, it's clear that he just doesn't really know how to play as the off-guard. He forces way fewer threes when he's the ball-handler, because he has options for his offense, e.g. drive and kick, take to the hoop, etc. Further, he looks really, really good as the main ball-handler, too, and he consistently makes good passes, hardly commits turnovers, and just makes the overall right play when he's in control of the ball-handling. I think most of his offensive struggles stem from this very fact that they're trying to play him as a 3-and-D type swingman when that's not who he is.

I'm guessing that most of this will be resolved next year when Turner makes himself too expensive to stay in Boston.

Yep.  And this stuff makes a huge difference.  Just look how much Turner struggled before Stevens put the ball back in his hands.  Or how much Pippen struggled in Houston or Payton struggled in LA at the end of their respective careers, where they were basically relegated to spot up shooters.

It's like you haven't watched him attempt to score. Have you seen his FG%? Who shoots that bad and gets that many minutes. All I'm asking him to do is shoot over 40% from the field.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/artesro01.html

His percentages at a comparable point were somewhat better, but he was a small forward.

Look man, at this point I personally think Artest rookie season offensively was better. But if you want you can compare them. IMO, I don't agree.

[tankcity!]

A. Sherrod Blakely ‏@SherrodbCSN  4m4 minutes ago Boston, MA
Bad foul by #Celtics Marcus Smart at the end of the 3Q. If he's not careful, he'll see his minutes going to Terry Rozier pretty soon.

Lol!

[Roy H.]

A. Sherrod Blakely ‏@SherrodbCSN  4m4 minutes ago Boston, MA
Bad foul by #Celtics Marcus Smart at the end of the 3Q. If he's not careful, he'll see his minutes going to Terry Rozier pretty soon.

Lol!

Sherrod's opinion is worth less than the average WEEI caller's, though.

[Eja117]

A. Sherrod Blakely ‏@SherrodbCSN  4m4 minutes ago Boston, MA
Bad foul by #Celtics Marcus Smart at the end of the 3Q. If he's not careful, he'll see his minutes going to Terry Rozier pretty soon.

Lol!

Sherrod's opinion is worth less than the average WEEI caller's, though.

But in this case the blind squirrel found the nut

[Fred Roberts]

The last person I'm worried about is Marcus Smart. Commentators need to comment and have hot takes.

Celts will stay the course with Marcus and he'll continue to be better and better for us. He's solid.

[MJohnnyboy]

I believe in Smart's potential, but if he turns out to be just a smaller Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (and hopefully not as injury-prone), then I'm fine with it. Guys like Smart and MKG may not be offensive juggernauts, but they do so many other good things for their teams.

MKG has a good mid range game, can finish, and is taller. He also makes more of an impact on D, and rebounds better. Look at MKG's FG% and compare it to Smart's. I wish people would research before making comps.

Hey genius, why don't you read it again? At no time did I say that the two right now are the same player. Nope not once. I'll try to bring this up slowly since you are so smart. I brought up the potential of Smart becoming a smaller Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. So, of course there are things MKG can do that Smart can't due to the obvious size difference. Hence the word "smaller". The point of the comp is that both are defensive sieves with limited offensive capabilities no matter how their stats compare.

I apologize if my comment made you butthurt. Can you forgive me?

Haha, what are you talking about? Look at MKG's rookie season and compare it to Smart's....I don't see where or how you can compare the two potentially. I actually thought you would be smart enough to compare their rookie seasons since MKG was younger entering the league.

Yet again, you're not listening. I'm comparing them because defensively the two of them are similar in that they are very good, heck, even elite, on that end. Heck, the two of them play a very physical brand of basketball on defense that very much impacts that end. I think we both can agree on that. Offensively though, they are very limited. Clearly MKG has higher percentages offensively, but neither can shoot threes all that well and are not guys you go to for offense, at least not now.

Let me spell this out for you. I'm saying Smart could be a SMALLER Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. You see the emphasis on smaller? The point is, one is a guard and the other is a wing. You're right when you say that position wise, they are vastly different, and hence MKG can do things better at certain things than Smart can, like rebound. Kidd-Gilchrist may have better FG numbers, but is he that much more integral on offense to the Hornets than Smart is to the Celtics? Nope, or not by much.

And again, it's all based on potential, and that's the main point you're missing. I'm not saying that Smart is or will be MKG. I'm saying if he does turn out that way, then I'll be happy. This is what I'm rooting for. Not what I'm expecting. I can clearly tell you are not a Smart fan, and I'm not here to try to convince you otherwise. We all have our preferences. This is simply a best case scenario. If you're so offended by this, well then I guess it sucks to be you.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

A couple months ago the vocal majority was saying bring AB off the bench because he is bad and because Marcus is better, pretty much the same things people said about Smaht vs. RR. Now you all have turned on the kid like you did to those guys. Next up, Roze/Hunter! I can't count on both hands the number of people saying Young would be taking AB's spot as early as the 2nd half of his rookie season but for sure by his 2nd season...



This is all rinse and repeat!

[Celtics18]

Way to go out there and shut them up tonight, Marcus!!

[tankcity!]

I believe in Smart's potential, but if he turns out to be just a smaller Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (and hopefully not as injury-prone), then I'm fine with it. Guys like Smart and MKG may not be offensive juggernauts, but they do so many other good things for their teams.

MKG has a good mid range game, can finish, and is taller. He also makes more of an impact on D, and rebounds better. Look at MKG's FG% and compare it to Smart's. I wish people would research before making comps.

Hey genius, why don't you read it again? At no time did I say that the two right now are the same player. Nope not once. I'll try to bring this up slowly since you are so smart. I brought up the potential of Smart becoming a smaller Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. So, of course there are things MKG can do that Smart can't due to the obvious size difference. Hence the word "smaller". The point of the comp is that both are defensive sieves with limited offensive capabilities no matter how their stats compare.

I apologize if my comment made you butthurt. Can you forgive me?

Haha, what are you talking about? Look at MKG's rookie season and compare it to Smart's....I don't see where or how you can compare the two potentially. I actually thought you would be smart enough to compare their rookie seasons since MKG was younger entering the league.

Yet again, you're not listening. I'm comparing them because defensively the two of them are similar in that they are very good, heck, even elite, on that end. Heck, the two of them play a very physical brand of basketball on defense that very much impacts that end. I think we both can agree on that. Offensively though, they are very limited. Clearly MKG has higher percentages offensively, but neither can shoot threes all that well and are not guys you go to for offense, at least not now.

Let me spell this out for you. I'm saying Smart could be a SMALLER Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. You see the emphasis on smaller? The point is, one is a guard and the other is a wing. You're right when you say that position wise, they are vastly different, and hence MKG can do things better at certain things than Smart can, like rebound. Kidd-Gilchrist may have better FG numbers, but is he that much more integral on offense to the Hornets than Smart is to the Celtics? Nope, or not by much.

And again, it's all based on potential, and that's the main point you're missing. I'm not saying that Smart is or will be MKG. I'm saying if he does turn out that way, then I'll be happy. This is what I'm rooting for. Not what I'm expecting. I can clearly tell you are not a Smart fan, and I'm not here to try to convince you otherwise. We all have our preferences. This is simply a best case scenario. If you're so offended by this, well then I guess it sucks to be you.

Dude, I get that you think they are similar on defense, but MKG IS A BETTER OFFENSIVE PLAYER. That is my point. He is not as bad as you make him claim on offense. He is a way better finisher and a great mid-range shooter.

I'm not taking any offense to what you are saying. But to me, they seem like different players because Smart is a better ball handler. MKG is also very athletic, can't say the same thing for Smart.

I liked Smart his rookie year cause I thought his offense would improve. I thought he would be a good leader as well. His shooting has gotten worse and I haven't really seen any leadership, but I'm not in the practices. Only time will tell I guess. I really hope Smart turns out to be good because the Celtics need him. But at this point, he has been a disappointment and I think it is disrespectful to compare him to MKG, who did not look this offensively challenged IMO.