Remember how we all wanted Winslow so much last year?

[chambers]

Winslow has all star potential.
On the offensive end he's got an enormous ceiling.

[Ilikesports17]

Winslow has all star potential.
On the offensive end he's got an enormous ceiling.

You think so?

He struggles to create his own shot IIRC.

Hes yet to score 15 points in an NBA game and the knock on him coming in was that his ceiling wasnt that high specifically on offense.

[footey]

Crowder has become a much better shooter than Winslow. 

[GreenWarrior]

I don't know why the bulls hung onto Jordan after his rookie yr.

[Ilikesports17]

I don't know why the bulls hung onto Jordan after his rookie yr.

You mean the rookie year where he scored 28.2 ppg and had 7 boards and 6 assists a game along with 2.4 steals.?

I dont get this comment at all.

[KG Living Legend]

 For the Record my Binkies last year were.

 #1 Stanley Johnson
 #2 Myles Turner
 #3 Winslow, figured he'd be the first to go

[crimson_stallion]

I do not agree that Crowder is at his peak.

If you look at the level he was at this time last year, and then look at where he is at now - the jump he has taken in such a short amount of time has been astronomical. 

He surely has got to be in the discussion for most improved player of the year award.  He probably wouldn't get it (I imagine Draymond Green has a lock on that) but surely he must be at the very top of the list of runners up.

When a guy who is 25 years old has made that type of jump he has in the space of a year, then I think it's very premature to declare him as "maxed out".  He still seems to be improving as the season is going on. 

I would take Crowder over Winslow myself, and it would be a no brainer for me.  I think Winslow's upside pretty much is what Crowder is now, maybe (and that's a maybe) a tad higher. Crowder's most underrated 'talent' is his attitude / toughness.  People tend to value physical attributes over mental ones in this league, but if you look at guys like Crowder, Smart and Draymond Green...they wouldn't be half the players they are without that attitude. 

[Bucketgetter]

I do not agree that Crowder is at his peak.

If you look at the level he was at this time last year, and then look at where he is at now - the jump he has taken in such a short amount of time has been astronomical. 

He surely has got to be in the discussion for most improved player of the year award.  He probably wouldn't get it (I imagine Draymond Green has a lock on that) but surely he must be at the very top of the list of runners up.

When a guy who is 25 years old has made that type of jump he has in the space of a year, then I think it's very premature to declare him as "maxed out".  He still seems to be improving as the season is going on. 

I would take Crowder over Winslow myself, and it would be a no brainer for me.  I think Winslow's upside pretty much is what Crowder is now, maybe (and that's a maybe) a tad higher. Crowder's most underrated 'talent' is his attitude / toughness.  People tend to value physical attributes over mental ones in this league, but if you look at guys like Crowder, Smart and Draymond Green...they wouldn't be half the players they are without that attitude.

You could argue Smart's attitude hurts him.

[SHAQATTACK]

I do not agree that Crowder is at his peak.

If you look at the level he was at this time last year, and then look at where he is at now - the jump he has taken in such a short amount of time has been astronomical. 

He surely has got to be in the discussion for most improved player of the year award.  He probably wouldn't get it (I imagine Draymond Green has a lock on that) but surely he must be at the very top of the list of runners up.

When a guy who is 25 years old has made that type of jump he has in the space of a year, then I think it's very premature to declare him as "maxed out".  He still seems to be improving as the season is going on. 

I would take Crowder over Winslow myself, and it would be a no brainer for me.  I think Winslow's upside pretty much is what Crowder is now, maybe (and that's a maybe) a tad higher. Crowder's most underrated 'talent' is his attitude / toughness.  People tend to value physical attributes over mental ones in this league, but if you look at guys like Crowder, Smart and Draymond Green...they wouldn't be half the players they are without that attitude.

I agree ,  Skills can always improve .....they take repeated practice and determination.  .....no Crowder is not likely to grow taller, get faster or jump higher .   But practiced skill sets such as shooting ....the sky is the limit .....its up to him.  He can learn to pass , shoot , dribble , defense ,  read plays .....all of this is stuff he can raise his level......IF he puts the effort in.

I think Best is yet to come. He is just now getting comfortable as a starter with a BIG role on the team to fill.  Same with AB, Sully and KO.....just now starting to break out.

Jason Kidd is great example of somebody who played better and better , until old age caught up. 

[crimson_stallion]

Winslow has all star potential.
On the offensive end he's got an enormous ceiling.

You think so?

He struggles to create his own shot IIRC.

Hes yet to score 15 points in an NBA game and the knock on him coming in was that his ceiling wasnt that high specifically on offense.

Agreed.

I never felt his offensive potential was much higher than maybe Trevor Ariza

In fact his overall game is very "Trevor Ariza" to me.  Not sure if I can see him ever being better than that. 

I've always thought he was way overhyped.

[CelticSooner]

Winslow is a taller, longer wingspan, more explosive version of crowder. At max, Winslow will be something else

Crowder is at max now.  A very nice player

Crowder is 25, has take huge strides in a very short time since coming to Boston, he is not yet in his prime, and he has room to grow. Most definitely not at his "max".

It's hilarious to keep seeing this on here. I cannot wait to see how good he's going to be in 3 years.

I'll say it again 4 picks is way too much for Winslow. Charlotte is a fool for not taking that.

[Csfan1984]

actually, not everyone wanted Winslow.  I wanted Johnson or Turner tbh.   didn't have the opportunity to pick any of them so it's water under the bridge.

Crowder's developed nicely this year but would still like to see us get a SF that has a better all-around offensive game.

+1 for SJ.

[Celtics4ever]

So glad we did not make that deal, the development of Crowder has been pleasant.

[crimson_stallion]

I do not agree that Crowder is at his peak.

If you look at the level he was at this time last year, and then look at where he is at now - the jump he has taken in such a short amount of time has been astronomical. 

He surely has got to be in the discussion for most improved player of the year award.  He probably wouldn't get it (I imagine Draymond Green has a lock on that) but surely he must be at the very top of the list of runners up.

When a guy who is 25 years old has made that type of jump he has in the space of a year, then I think it's very premature to declare him as "maxed out".  He still seems to be improving as the season is going on. 

I would take Crowder over Winslow myself, and it would be a no brainer for me.  I think Winslow's upside pretty much is what Crowder is now, maybe (and that's a maybe) a tad higher. Crowder's most underrated 'talent' is his attitude / toughness.  People tend to value physical attributes over mental ones in this league, but if you look at guys like Crowder, Smart and Draymond Green...they wouldn't be half the players they are without that attitude.

You could argue Smart's attitude hurts him.

I think of Smart as the NBA equivalent of a powerful but inexperienced sith apprentice. 

He is very strong in the force (the force being represented by his will, motor and work ethic) but most of that force power comes from his passion and his emotion.

His raw force energy on it's own is enough to allow him to be quite powerful and effective, however for him to become a truly great sith he needs to learn how to make the most of that raw force energy by:

- Learning new techniques
- Refining existing techniques
- Working out how to control his raw passion / emotion, rather than allowing it to control him

These lessons can only be learnt with time and experience.

If he can learn those things, then he could become an extremely powerful Sith Lord (like Count Dooku).  However if he can't learn those things then there is some risk that his passion may become his downfall, and he may end up getting cut in half by his opponent (like Darth Maul).

Either way, a Sith depends on their passion/emotion for their power.  Take itway, and they are powerless.

I hope you enjoyed my little analogy
 

[KeepRondo]

I do not agree that Crowder is at his peak.

If you look at the level he was at this time last year, and then look at where he is at now - the jump he has taken in such a short amount of time has been astronomical. 

He surely has got to be in the discussion for most improved player of the year award.  He probably wouldn't get it (I imagine Draymond Green has a lock on that) but surely he must be at the very top of the list of runners up.

When a guy who is 25 years old has made that type of jump he has in the space of a year, then I think it's very premature to declare him as "maxed out".  He still seems to be improving as the season is going on. 

I would take Crowder over Winslow myself, and it would be a no brainer for me.  I think Winslow's upside pretty much is what Crowder is now, maybe (and that's a maybe) a tad higher. Crowder's most underrated 'talent' is his attitude / toughness.  People tend to value physical attributes over mental ones in this league, but if you look at guys like Crowder, Smart and Draymond Green...they wouldn't be half the players they are without that attitude.

You could argue Smart's attitude hurts him.

I think of Smart as the NBA equivalent of a powerful but inexperienced sith apprentice. 

He is very strong in the force (the force being represented by his will, motor and work ethic) but most of that force power comes from his passion and his emotion.

His raw force energy on it's own is enough to allow him to be quite powerful and effective, however for him to become a truly great sith he needs to learn how to make the most of that raw force energy by:

- Learning new techniques
- Refining existing techniques
- Working out how to control his raw passion / emotion, rather than allowing it to control him

These lessons can only be learnt with time and experience.

If he can learn those things, then he could become an extremely powerful Sith Lord (like Count Dooku).  However if he can't learn those things then there is some risk that his passion may become his downfall, and he may end up getting cut in half by his opponent (like Darth Maul).

Either way, a Sith depends on their passion/emotion for their power.  Take itway, and they are powerless.

I hope you enjoyed my little analogy

The force needs to recalibrate on those shot attempts.